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(@true-red_1722027886)
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It's kind of funny how freaked out we are. I live in DC and they have bomb-sniffing dogs canvassing the subway. I love my paranoid hometown. -_- I hear this is happening around the US.


Add random bus stopping (at least in NYC). ;p

Thankfully, everyone here from the London area seems to be okay. Hopefully, those people who are searching for family/friends won't have to wait too long to find out the status of their loved ones. Since the bombings aren't being given 24/7 coverage anymore over here, I'm not sure how far along they are in terms of recovering remains and how well (for lack of a better word) the missing people situation is going.

 
(@steebay31)
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I'm glad to hear that every forumer from the London area is alright. I heard about this a couple days ago. I hope that everyone's friends and loved ones are okay.

 
(@abijayechidna)
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Sadly, no. I was in church today and I found out that my friend's friend's dad had died, and her mother is critically ill in hospital.

 
(@samanfur-the-fox)
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I'm not sure how far along they are in terms of recovering remains and how well (for lack of a better word) the missing people situation is going.

It's going to be a while in that respect, Red. Several people were literally blown to bits on the bus, and the rescue teams haven't even been able to get at that exploded carriage on my regular route yet.

It's in one of the deepest parts of the Underground, and people're worried that the tunnels're too unstable after the blast to get in. There could be any number of bodies in there.

 
(@swifthom_1722585705)
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Unfortunately its not possible to catch suicide bombers, but it looks like the Police are pretty certain they know who the 4 men were, and 3 of them are from Leeds????

There's also a car, a train station involved and the city of leeds was partly evacuated today as the Police started searching the homes that the suspects live in, one of the missing men's families actually rang the police on Thursday afternoon to report that their son was missing. If he WAS responcible then that HAS GOT to be pretty horrible...
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I'm looking for news pages to back these claims up, but it's all over ITV news.

EDIT:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676577.stm
As typical, the BBC have a different emphasis to ITV. Wheras ITV was more concerned about the fact Leeds was closed, that seems secondary to the BBC who instead report more accurately on police findings, keep an eye out for more news through.

 
(@abijayechidna)
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So here we were blaming the Al Queada when it was defectors all along?
Despicable.

 
(@swifthom_1722585705)
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So here we were blaming the Al Queada when it was defectors all along?
Despicable.


Why did these muslims feel the need to blow up Londoners, what made them think that death was such a good thing, what made them want to kill innocent people, who else do we know who thinks thats a necessary evil.

If they werent directly involved with Al Queida, it's not an unnecesary assumptio to think that either they were 1: Inspired by them or 2: at least helped by them.
Of course, it's still their own actions that did it...

Those actions are a million times more despicable than any slanderous remark made by anyone on this or most other Messageboards or in public.

 
(@abijayechidna)
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They're ALL in the wrong, basically.

 
(@diana-the-cat)
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I know that this is kind of a late response on this:

I heard the news when I was in a university course on Elba. It was practically the only news we did get over there (which says a lot!) and the first thing I thought was: "Oh my gosh, I hope everyone I know over in London is alright!" Thank godness it turned out that no one I knew was injured. Even though altogether the event is still horrible.

It's one of these things where you go around and ask: how the heck could someone do something like that?

 
(@harley-quinn-hyenaholic)
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I just can't comprehend why anybody would want to die like that. Those guys must have been seriously screwed up in the head.

And it shows that you can never tell. No wonder nobody owned up.

People are saying this was 9/11 for England. Okay, it was bad, but it wasn't hundreds of thousands in one shot. I'm not trying to take away from it. I'm saying that the body count is nothing like comparable.

 
(@da-muthalovin-jman)
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It wasn't about the body count.

 
(@swifthom_1722585705)
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"One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic."

Or something very close to that. This isnt about the body count, and i dont think that it's remotely comparable to the Twin Towers, and I dont think it should be compared TOO thoroughly.
It is a demonstration though, that noboy is safe. They've hit America, they've hit spain and they've hit the UK.

They can go back and hit ANY of them AGAIN, and they might look for new targets, we dont know.
It isnt about the body count, it's the intention and disruption that's important, and that's what they got.

 
(@harley-quinn-hyenaholic)
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They didn't get as much disruption as they say - I've heard there's sites on the net saying that we're panicing. But we're not.

So, by failing to panic, we've already beaten them, in a way.

 
(@da-muthalovin-jman)
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Yeah, the City of London came to that conclusion last week. Read blogs. :)

 
(@mr-creosote)
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**Breaking News**

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm

Emergency services have been called to three Tube stations after "incidents", Scotland Yard said.
Police confirmed they had been called to Warren Street, Oval and Shepherd's Bush stations.

There have been reports of smoke coming from two of the stations and all three have been evacuated.

The whole of the Northern Line has been suspended, along with the Victoria Line and the Hammersmith and City. There are no reports of any casualties.

Police also confirmed that emergency service personnel have responded to reports of an incident on a route 26 bus in Hackney Road.

A spokesman for London Underground said the nature of the incidents was unknown.

One hospital, near Warren St station, has started its emergency plan.

Sosiane Mohellavi, 35, was travelling from Oxford Circus to Walthamstow when she was evacuated from a train at Warren Street.

"I was in the carriage and we smelt smoke - it was like something was burning.

"Everyone was panicked and people were screaming. We had to pull the alarm. I am still shaking."

But a BBC reporter outside Warren St station said there was no sign of smoke outside.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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*Growls*

I have friends who live right next to Oval tube, I hope they're all alright.

*Grumbles and shivers*

Is it ok for me to start getting a little bit afraid, now..?

 
(@mobius-springheart_1722585714)
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Damn them, this gets ridiculous. :annoyed

I'm annoyed, perturbed, and concerned that this is just a prelude to more...ear to the ground, folks. :grr

 
(@tails2k)
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Craig, I pray that your friends are alright....you have all rights to be worried. *hugs*

I strongly hope there isn't anything more coming soon. x.x; I'm still not fully briefed on the situation.

~T2K

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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AFAIK, not many injuries have been confirmed. As of such I hope for the best... although we all know things can go wrong even still.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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Just recieved a general e-mail from the company, forwarded from Metropolitan Police, confirming there have been no casualities.

🙂

 
(@da-muthalovin-jman)
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I was s---ing myself when I first turned on the news, but it seems that everything is in order, and like Craig said there have been no casualties or even serious injuries. It's bloody well not going to stop me going into the city tomorrow, either. :)

 
(@trimanus)
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From what I heard from BBC, there was 1 injury, no fatalities reported from the incidents. It seems that detonators, rather than actual bombs, were the cause of the explosions in this case, hence the reduced impact. There doesn't seem to be any chemical or biological agents used in the attacks, so it seems that the explosions were either designed to simply cause disruption, rather than casualties, or that thebombs were poorly constructed, and so didn't go off as hoped by the people responsible.

My guess is that it's some group deciding to be copy-cats, but aiming to spread panic rather than injure/kill people. But that's just my own, not-that-greatly-informed opinion...

 
(@harley-quinn-hyenaholic)
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I agree partly that it's copy-cats, but I also think that they were hoping to cause more damage than they did.

They definitely weren't suicide bombers, so they were probably just stupid young men who thought they were doing something for the cause.

My uncle says "They kill people in the name of religion and then expect to get into heaven."

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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Your uncle looks at it from the standpoint of the wrong religion.

The Muslim religion does state that such martryism in the name of faith is an INSTANT pass to salvation in afterlife.

Wether you sgree or not, it's their belief.

 
(@harley-quinn-hyenaholic)
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My uncle (the one I refer to) is born and bred in Northern Ireland, which tells you all you need to know about his religious upbringing.

He's not a zealot though, so you're probably right.

Although from what I do know, Islam is a spinoff of Christianity, which is a spinoff of Judaism. Or something like that. My taxi driver said they're all the same, but that's taxi drivers for you.

 
(@dirk-amoeba)
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Islam is a spinoff of Christianity

I don't claim to be an expert, but that doesn't sound quite right to me.

 
(@thecycle)
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Islam is a spinoff of Christianity
That's like saying Star Trek is a spinoff of Star Wars. Just because they converge at some points doesn't mean they're at all related.

 
(@tails2k)
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Y'know, I'm terrible with news. But while I was doing some dishes I heard over the radio something about a suicide bomber getting shot down in England today. Details?

~T2K

 
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Details?


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A man has been shot dead by police at Stockwell Tube station in south London, as officers hunt four bombing suspects.
Met Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said officers fired after the man was challenged and refused to obey police.

The incident was "directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation", he said.

BBC crime correspondent Neil Bennett said the man shot dead was not thought to be one of four bomb suspects shown in CCTV images released by police.

Officers hope the CCTV footage will help them trace the four people they say tried to set off devices on Thursday at Oval, Warren Street, Shepherd's Bush stations and on a bus in Shoreditch in east London.

Sir Ian told a press conference: "I need to make clear that any death is deeply regrettable but as I understand the situation the man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions."

Our correspondent says the man was under surveillance as a result of evidence gathered from the scenes of the four attempted bombings.

Stockwell passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen a man of Asian appearance shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers".

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him," he said.

Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around Stockwell station, where teams of forensic officers are working.


Source BBC News

 
(@thegamecuberules)
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according to a friend of mine who can read arabic, al queada will be planning more attacks on london! i was dreading this...

 
(@troophead_1722027877)
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Islam is a spinoff of Christianity in that it came a lot later and that it incorporates a lot of Christian tradition. For example, they believe that Jesus is one prophet in a line of prophets, but that Muhammed was the last prophet and the most influential. Each Prophet is sent to correct the misinformation generated by people twisting the words of the previous prophet.

 
(@samanfur-the-fox)
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Arrests in Stockwell over the last couple of hours. People the police're convinced were connected. No further details as yet.

 
(@dirk-amoeba)
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Islam is a spinoff of Christianity in that it came a lot later and that it incorporates a lot of Christian tradition. For example, they believe that Jesus is one prophet in a line of prophets, but that Muhammed was the last prophet and the most influential. Each Prophet is sent to correct the misinformation generated by people twisting the words of the previous prophet.

By that logic, Shaman King is a spinoff of Christianity because it refers to Jesus as having been a Shaman King.

 
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Need they Al Queda (sp ^^) be reminded that we have NUCLEAR FREAKING WEAPONS!? ....I think that should have them stand down o_o realy.

I hope there aren't more attacks on London....it's definately something I don't want to see. But you just gotta enjoy life, y'know? Ya never know when it'll happen, and I pray for the safety of everyone here at MoFo, as well as everyone else in England.

~T2K

 
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I think they've figured out we don't want MAD, so they can do willy-nilly and mostly get away with it (face it, we've YET to find bin Laden).

And by MAD, I don't mean the magazine.

 
(@da-muthalovin-jman)
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For the record, I visited London yesterday. Apart from the Circle and Hammersmith & City being closed, most of the tube lines were still working, with a few single exceptions, notably at Euston (which, rather alarmingly, was closed just as my tube pulled up to it).

I also visited the memorial garden they've set up just around the corner from Embankment station. I had no hat to take off out of respect so I removed my headphones, which I hope, given the circumstances, was a suitable substitute.

 
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Need they Al Queda (sp ^^) be reminded that we have NUCLEAR FREAKING WEAPONS!? ....I think that should have them stand down o_o realy.


Why? They're a group that lives in possibly every country in the world. You'd have to nuke the entire planet to get rid of them for certainty. They know it. Most rational people know it. If they could've been stopped by being nuked, it would've been done already. ;p

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By that logic, Shaman King is a spinoff of Christianity because it refers to Jesus as having been a Shaman King.


It probably is. A lot of stuff are spinoffs of religions and other things from life.

 
(@mr-creosote)
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Just in case you haven't heard, the man who was 'shot five times' in the head by armed police was not connected to the bombings in London.

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A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was a Brazilian electrician unconnected to the incidents.
The man, who died at Stockwell Tube on Friday, has been named by police as Jean Charles de Menezes, 27.

Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus.

Police also said a suspect package found in north-west London on Saturday may be linked to Thursday's attacks.


It is tragic that an event such as this could happen.

 
(@abijayechidna)
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*sighs*
Tell me about it.
If I was that guy's family I would be suing!!!
How could they make this mistake? HE WASN'T EVEN A MUSLIM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!
It makes me question the athourites around here. Hell knows-they could shoot ANY innocent people just because they look
suspicious without any evidence at all...

 
(@thecycle)
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Need they Al Queda (sp ^^) be reminded that we have NUCLEAR FREAKING WEAPONS!?
You strike me as the kind of person who would use a mortar cannon to deal with a termite infestation.

How could they make this mistake? HE WASN'T EVEN A MUSLIM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!
That is the most ignorant comment I've ever read in my life. Please eat a bottle of Aspirin and crawl into a closet.

 
(@abijayechidna)
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That is the most ignorant comment I've ever read in my life

How?

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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You don't have to be an Islamic extremist to be a terrorist.

And man, EMPATHY. EMPATHY is what's needed in this country (the US, in my case) so bad...

 
(@abijayechidna)
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I didn't mean it in that way.
They said they were looking for muslims on the news because they had a feeling it had something to do with the Al Queada. I was just surprised they killed a brazillian.

 
(@thecycle)
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How can somebody "look" like a Muslim? It's a religion, goddammit, not an identifiable trait.

 
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I dunno. Maybe we should ask Hitler, given he seems to think religions are races.

 
(@trimanus)
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Well, Judaism is the religion of an individual group from one racial stock, due to the belief that they are the chosen people of God, and hence not looking to convert those outside the family. So in that case, Jews do tend to have certain identifying racial features - although this is not a guaranteed method of identifying those who follow Judaism.

But, otherwise, a fair-ish point - religions do carry with them certain cultural or symbolic clothing/fashions which can act as a somewhat unreliable means of identification.

 
(@troophead_1722027877)
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Because the previous terrorists were Islamic fundamentalists, police will be looking for people who come from countries where the population is predominantly Muslim. This would be most middle-eastern countries, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, and some African countries. So yes, middle-easterners and South Asians, or people who resemble that ethnic stock will be viewed more suspiciously than others.

Oh, and from what I heard on CNN, the man who was shot was wearing a heavy winter overcoat with wires poking out of it, and when he was questioned by police, vaulted a turnstile, rushed into the train despite the officers yelling at him to stop and chasing him.

This BBC article has some of the eyewitness reports.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4706913.stm

It's unfortunate and tragic that this incident occured, but this man deserves a Darwin Award.

 
(@thecycle)
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Oh, and from what I heard on CNN, the man who was shot was wearing a heavy winter overcoat with wires poking out of it
Being the proud owner of a portable audio system, I too have wires poking out of me nearly 24x7. Never scored me a bullet in the skull.

 
(@samanfur-the-fox)
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Oh, and from what I heard on CNN, the man who was shot was wearing a heavy winter overcoat

He was a Brazillian immigrant. Our weather's a bit chillier than Brazil.

with wires poking out of it,

As Cyc already said: what those "wires" were is down to interpretation. The police've been strangely quiet about that afterwards.

My money's on him wearing an iPod.

and when he was questioned by police, vaulted a turnstile, rushed into the train despite the officers yelling at him to stop and chasing him.

I don't know about you, but if three plain-clothed blokes suddenly pulled guns on me and started chasing and yelling in the middle of a city that'd just been the target of multiple terrorist attacks, I'd run like crazy, too.

They never actually got as far as questioning him - just tailing him, chasing him and pumping eight bullets into him, including seven at once into his head.

If they thought he was such an imminent threat to public transport, why the heck did they let him board a bus to travel to the underground station?

 
(@darkwinguk)
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Personally, someone pulls a gun on me, they're quite welcome to my wallet. Beats running away and practically guaranteeing they'll open fire.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought "Darwin Award". I mean, of all the places to run to just after the attacks...

DW

 
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