One word...sick.

Actually a few more words spring to mind too, but they would be best not repeated here...

Wraith

I agree with you.

This is torture, simply put. Killing them for food, understandable. Killing for clothes, if there isn't anything that dosn't involve death, then I can see the need. But both of these should at least be quick and painless, not because these are cute fuzzy critters, but because they are living beings that feel pain and torment.

This is needlessly cruel and totally unnessicary, it's sick.

Don't like it? Stop propping up the government that allows it by buying Chinese-made consumer crap from Wal-Mart.

I find it amusing how Cycle manages to turn everything back to one topic. Now, shoo!

*chases Cycle out of the topic*

The American Government and the Chinese in general aren't the ones at fault here. It's the ones who are doing this crap that need to be dealt with. Who buys dog and cat fur, anyway? Not the American government. O_o It seems more like a cheap fur substitute for third world countries...

In any case... Maybe we need to send PETA over there. A few million gallons of paint down their throats will do'em good.

The American Government and the Chinese in general aren't the ones at fault here.
Who said anything about the US government?

It's the ones who are doing this crap that need to be dealt with.
Unfortunately the only people who have the authority to do that are the Chinese government, and they have no intention to do so. If you wish to encourage this and other questionable policies, by all means continue supporting them financially.

'Kay.

And now I hate myself because I smirked at the idea of dropping a cat off a ledge to break it's legs.
I have a bad sense of humour.

Skinning alive? that's really wrong, good thing the vid wasn't posted or I'd be tempted to watch it and then regret it later

Ah, I must have misread that, then.

Open mouth, insert foot.

Edit: Where did this video come from. If it's PeTA's involved in anyway, odds are it is heavily edited or altered. Still I ahbor the use of domestic animals for fur.

Edit: Where did this video come from. If it's PeTA's involved in anyway, odds are it is heavily edited or altered.
I did see it a while back, and it is from Peta, however, the imagery pretty much speaks for itself. The animals didn't skin themselves.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=fur_farm

By the way, the video made me nauseous, and that is quite an achievement. View at your own risk.

PeTA has been known to exaggerate or outright lie to the public, they have no crediblity to me whatsoever.

PeTA has been known to exaggerate or outright lie to the public, they have no crediblity to me whatsoever.
Again, the animals in that video didn't skin themselves. Peta may not have credibility, but video doesn't lie.

Maybe I should have elaborated more, there's many questions to the video like when was it filmed and who did it. From what I hear many of these heinous acts are commited by PeTA members to make their point.

Again I insist I am only stating this as what I heard about PeTA's conduct. For an organization that has killed 12 000 animals since 1998, it wouldn't surprise me if these undercover PeTA members did the deed themselves.

I'm glad the video wasn't linked. I got nauseous just reading the description.

This is what I got off another forum, it's from an Anti-PeTA board so the source may be questionable but I find them more trustworthy than PeTA and its legions of mindless drones.

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That is was likley a deal where the Chinese guys were paid good money to do it, and that it is not their normal mode of doing things. It is totally pointless from the standpoint of making money off fur. A struggling animal, the animal being beaten and banged around,possibly the stress of the animal, can lead to fur damage. Plus being bitten ( it could have happened with this scenareo of skinning the animal alive) would waste more time, time one could be using to kill and pelt more animals.

All I can say is peta sure is milking this one video. I hope the Fur Commission or someone finds the truth behind it, and the animal rights group that filmed it gets in big trouble.

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That's pretty far-fetched, and I don't think I need to explain why. It's partisan speculation. I also think it's funny how the guy starts by using the indefinite phrase "that was likely", and then closes by implying his speculation is correct: "I hope... the animal rights group that filmed it gets in big trouble." Besides which, given China's treatment of humans, I wouldn't put it past them.

Not to say I personally support Peta, just saying. The only reason I entered the discussion was to say that if something happens in China that you don't like, stop buying their crap.

Well I wasn't expecting anyne to believe me anyway.

Not to say I personally support Peta, just saying. The only reason I entered the discussion was to say that if something happens in China that you don't like, stop buying their crap.

That is what we both can agree on.

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but video doesn't lie.

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It does, surely?

Anwyas, the person who said that that's actually an ineffective way to harvest fur makes a valid point. At the most, this may well be an isolated case of idiots rather than a widespread phenomenon.

Aww geeze xX;;;
I just decided to click on the link in Cyc's post;bad idea.
Gruesome.

Yeah, he said so himself.

Xag,

Well, while video can lie, sort of, it is far more likely to mislead. For one thing, it's probably more obvious when video is "lying" (as in, showing scenes which were never actually filmed) than when photographs are, and secondly, it is generally easier to just set up the kind of thing you want filmed than to generate it all yourself. Just look at the proportion of mostly or entirely CGI films these days compared to live action.

I'd say in this case, although I haven't watched the video, from the description I would say it is not lying, but possibly (even probably, given the motives for the film) misleading.