...Four and twenty black men baked in a pie
When the pie was opened the girls began to sing
And all the little nazi folks all went "HEIL" to the king!
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Twin pop stars with angelic looks are new face of racism
By Catherine Elsworth in Los Angeles
(Filed: 25/10/2005)America's white supremacist movement has an angelic new face: twin teenage pop stars whose songs preach messages of racial hatred.
Prussian Blue, a "white power" band now recording its second album, is described as a sinister version of the Olsen Twins, the squeaky clean child actresses of the 1990s. It is attracting more and more fans among young white nationalists.
Prussian Blue
Lamb and Lynx Gaede: We are proud of being whiteLamb and Lynx Gaede, blonde, blue-eyed 13-year-olds from Bakersfield, California, have been entertaining all-white crowds with their music since the age of nine. Lamb plays the guitar and Lynx the violin.
Their songs have titles such as Sacrifice, a tribute to Hitler's deputy, Rudolf Hess, that praises him as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up".
Performing for such groups as the neo-Nazi National Alliance at Holocaust-denial events and festivals entitled Folk the System, the girls execute Sieg Heil salutes while belting out lyrics such as "Strike force! White survival. Strike force! Yeah."
"We are proud of being white," Lynx told ABC News. "We want our people to stay whitewe don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."
The twins have such a high profile among white supremacists that David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader and presidential candidate, uses them to attract support.
Critics have condemned the twins' message and say that they have been brainwashed by their mother.
"It breaks my heart to see those girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, the president of the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People's Legal Defence Fund.
The twins' act was recently withdrawn from the Kern County fair because of "security concerns". Their mother, April, 38, a former member of the National Alliance, told the Bakersfield Californian that her daughters were upset. They "simply want to perform their songs: songs about Vikings and German history", she said.
Miss Gaede has brought her daughters up on racist beliefs using textbooks from the 1950s. She is separated from their father, who is said to have similar views and has a swastika on his belt buckle.
Prussian Blue, under contract to the white supremacist label Resistance Records, is one of a number of extremist pop bands, such as Blue-Eyed Devils and Angry Aryans.
The twins' first album featured songs called Road to Valhalla and Aryan Man, Awake. They depict a world "where freedom exists for only those with darker skin" and encourage the Aryan man to awake and "turn that fear to hate".
The twins recently came under fire for stipulating that money they donated to the victims of Hurricane Katrina should go to whites only. In a recent interview with the magazine Viceland, they were asked what was the "most important social issue facing the white race right now". They replied: "Not having enough white babies born to replace ourselves and generally not having good quality white people being born."
The Olsen Twins have gone nazi.
Sick and twisted - ain't it?
I don't understand why people keep comparing them to the Olsen twins? Because they are both blonde and sisters?
Anyways it's sad, but I guess people have the right to teach their children whatever they want. Even if it's to be a racist ass. They're both very young and I hope they eventually see the error of their ways. The issue isn't why these girls are performing this music, the issue is why there is a market for this music in the first place.
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I don't understand why people keep comparing them to the Olsen twins? Because they are both blonde and sisters?
I liken it more to the fact that they have that same angelic marketable cute look that the Olsens use to plaster thier face all over everything 
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The issue isn't why these girls are performing this music, the issue is why there is a market for this music in the first place.
It's the same reason why there's a market for hardcore gangsta rap.
There's no acounting for personal taste. Welcome to America! Have a cookie.
All humans are humans. Skin color is only determined by a chemical pigment in the skin (and, of course, sun tans). Nothing more. Which is why racism is so silly.
However, it's strange when you think about this; because a lot of 'black' leaders today are blatantly racist against whites, yet you almost hear nothing about it. In a way, it's a kind of a 'reverse-racism', except little to nothing is done about it like it would be if a white person was racist to a black person.
Who knows; it may be possible that their father and mother taught them in such a way because they wanted them to be proud of their skin color in the face of this 'reverse-racism'. Does that make any of this permissable from a logical and moral standpoint? Of course not. However, it is interesting to think about it from a racial perspective; how black racists are frequently tolerated (and, sometimes more often than not, applauded) whereas white racists are immediately branded as 'evil'.
Besides, as long as they don't kill/brand/maim/lynch anyone and/or break the law, it's really no one's business what their parents teach them. All we can hope for is for wisdom, logic, and rational thought to kick in with age.
Check out their little Hitler smiley faces! Oh, that Hitler. Such a goofball
This manages to be both hilarious and deeply disturbing at the same time. A feeling I've not had since Sega announced they'd be releasing a game where Shadow rides around on a Motorcycle and packs a pistol wherever he goes.
At first you can't stop laughing due to the absurdity of it all. But then you sort of freeze up and get a sickly feeling deep in your gut when you realize it ain't April 1st.
Then the crying starts.
IT LIVES!!!!
IT LIVES AND WALKS AMONG US!!!!!!!!
ZOMBIE GALE HATH RETURNED TO THROTTLE US AWWWWL!!!!!!!!! 
I saw the show about these girls when it originally aired on ABC, and it totally disturbed and disgusted me. I'm glad these girls are getting the bad press they're getting now after that interview; maybe now people will stop catering to the idea that kid performers automatically equals good for kids once they see what Prussian Blue is really all about.
Who knows; it may be possible that their father and mother taught them in such a way because they wanted them to be proud of their skin color in the face of this 'reverse-racism'. Does that make any of this permissable from a logical and moral standpoint? Of course not. However, it is interesting to think about it from a racial perspective; how black racists are frequently tolerated (and, sometimes more often than not, applauded) whereas white racists are immediately branded as 'evil'.
Besides, as long as they don't kill/brand/maim/lynch anyone and/or break the law, it's really no one's business what their parents teach them. All we can hope for is for wisdom, logic, and rational thought to kick in with age.
It's one thing to be proud of your heritage, it's another thing to promote hatred for others, Ultra. Believe me, I am no fan of Louis "Let's kill Jews!" Farrakkan, nor am I a fan of the North Carolinian professor who thinks it's the right of every black man to shoot a white. I think they are wrong and their views are terrible, just as bad as these girls' are.
But you are wrong to think that logic may change these girls - they've been brought up since birth to believe what they believe. These girls think the Holocaust never happened (i.e. they insisted to the ABC interviewer that the Jews were the ones that killed Germans and the infamous Daschau photos were of rubber dolls) and that Hitler was just spreading love and happiness. The real reason they were kicked out of the fair was because their songs extorted people to hatred. They do swastika dances and record them for people to watch. They play video games specifically designed so that they shoot blacks and Hispanics who grunt like monkeys. Their grandfather owns a ranch where his cattle are branded with the swastika. They want white teenagers to hate because they hate.
You try telling these kids that skin color is due to melatonin (which for intelligent people like us is a 'duh' thing) and see how far you get with them. I promise you that you'll be accused of being a 'helper' for the black man and the Hispanics.
...On a related note, I found it humorously ironic that the Southerners totally rejected Prussian Blue's funding drive. You saw on ABC how all these Mississippians, who were waving Confederate flags in front of their trailer parks, houses, shops, etc. screamed at the fund organizers to buzz off because they wouldn't serve non-whites - and as a result the Neo-Nazis sold not a thing. Now that's poetic justice.
EDIT: HOMG GALE *faints*
However, it's strange when you think about this; because a lot of 'black' leaders today are blatantly racist against whites, yet you almost hear nothing about it. In a way, it's a kind of a 'reverse-racism', except little to nothing is done about it like it would be if a white person was racist to a black person.
What in the -- reverse racism?! I may still be partly stoned from Halloween, but holy Christ dude, that's the dumbest phrase I've heard in weeks.
Discussion about racism pisses me off because everyone always tries to figure out what group is a bigger victim of it. The way I see it, sh-t flies in all directions, whether you're white, black, Korean, Filipino, south Asian, Latino, whatever. No one group is picked on more than the others. Sh-t is sh-t, no matter where it comes from and where it goes. Phrases like "reverse racism" and "black-on-black violence" are completely retarded and trivialize the issue.
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I'm glad these girls are getting the bad press they're getting now after that interview;
It's not a good thing they're still getting press, yanno.
It's not a good thing they're still getting press, yanno.
True, in a way.
But if they had to get press, better that they get bad press. 🙂
You said it, Cyc.
Everyone here has already made such insightful posts, I doubt there's anything much I can add. I just feel that people are people- everyone of us has our good and bad qualities and while some may have have more positive or negative attributes than others, it has zero to do with race, religion, gender, sexual preference, whatever. I don't care what you look like or so on, if you treats others respectfully I'll get along with you just fine.
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'reverse-racism'
Is not a word. You can be racist or you can face racism. Racism does not mean white on black prejudice. You cannot face "reverse-racism". "Reverse-racism" would be like, tolerance.
GALE! <3
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But if they had to get press, better that they get bad press.
Ever hear that there's no such thing as bad press?
It's a phrase; not referring to the opposite of racism itself, but a reversal of the 'white-on-black' racism to the 'black-on-white' racism of today.
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Discussion about racism pisses me off because everyone always tries to figure out what group is a bigger victim of it. The way I see it, sh-t flies in all directions, whether you're white, black, Korean, Filipino, south Asian, Latino, whatever. No one group is picked on more than the others. Sh-t is sh-t, no matter where it comes from and where it goes. Phrases like "reverse racism" and "black-on-black violence" are completely retarded and trivialize the issue.
I was just making an observation. Of course racism is racism.
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It's one thing to be proud of your heritage, it's another thing to promote hatred for others, Ultra.
I know.
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But you are wrong to think that logic may change these girls - they've been brought up since birth to believe what they believe. These girls think the Holocaust never happened (i.e. they insisted to the ABC interviewer that the Jews were the ones that killed Germans and the infamous Daschau photos were of rubber dolls) and that Hitler was just spreading love and happiness.
Ah. So it's a case of them being taught false history. In that case, it'll take something big to turn them around.
And finally...
IT'S PBG! (sandwich'd) 😀
(Looks at Gale)
..... it moved.......
But yeah, this is.... idiotic. Thankfully, the National Front in the Uk do not have associated pop bands.
Or I might kill something.
Ever hear that there's no such thing as bad press?
It's not bad press if the people getting the bad press know how to turn it into good press.
Being acknowledged (and openly acknowledging in return) as a Nazi is not good press, no matter what Neo-Nazis may try to do. Look at the near-riots that happened in Detroit - who was blamed for it? The Neo-Nazis.
Things like this disturb me in ways completely unrelated to Michael Jackson.
Where can I get a license to kill?
::takes a deep breath::
Everyone's a little bit ra-- [shot]
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Sing A Song Of White Folks, Pocket Full Of
WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Fixed.
*o____O @ SH's.....thing*
....Ooooook......
*backs away slowly* >____>
Persoanlly, it doesn't matter to me.
Music is music.
Satanic, Christian, Gangsta, Oldies, Metal, Jazz, even Racist.
Music is music to me.
Sure they were taught with bad values, but meh... why care?
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Sure they were taught with bad values, but meh... why care?
Attitudes like that are the reason that the holocaust went on for as long as it did.
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Sure they were taught with bad values, but meh... why care?
Firstly, because the music itself has lyrics that promote racism. Which is bad.
Secondly, becuase buying and listening to the music gives money to people who will use that money to promote racism. Which is bad.
Wait till Geo sees this...
AHEM, on topic:
THESE GIRLS NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP, NEW LYRICS, AND A HISTORY TEACHER. </CaPsLoCk>
If you know a phrase is wrong, Ultra, WHY do you perpetuate its usage by continuing to use it? This is not the first time you've been called out for it.
There's no such thing as a reversal of racism. The fact that you think there is shows that you don't have an understanding of history. There has always been racism toward ALL "races" throughout history by other races. There is no difference between racism today versus in the past other than racism is not legally sanctioned.
It's only a phrase. Not a real word, but a phrase that has been used to describe racial relations in America between white and black people within the last 200 years.
Racism has been in existence for much longer than America has. I know that. I was referring to racism as it was in America. I mean nothing by 'reverse-racism'; it's just a phrase used to describe an observation as it relates to American history and not world history.
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The fact that you think there is shows that you don't have an understanding of history.
That's not what I meant.
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There is no difference between racism today versus in the past other than racism is not legally sanctioned.
Of course. Racism is racism, like I said.
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Of course. Racism is racism, like I said.
PIC OF THE DAY!!
Dont mind me. Its late and I'm being insanely stupid when, by all feasable means, I SHOULD be drawing. I'SE KWAZAY SHO NUFF!
**drinks more coffee and defies all normal human sleep patterns** 
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At least he had chicken.
I heard about this about two weeks ago and your responses were the same ones I had when I read that article.
And, GALE'S GHOST HATH RETURHNETH!!!
** gets the Holy Water ready **
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Discussion about racism pisses me off because everyone always tries to figure out what group is a bigger victim of it. The way I see it, sh-t flies in all directions, whether you're white, black, Korean, Filipino, south Asian, Latino, whatever. No one group is picked on more than the others. Sh-t is sh-t, no matter where it comes from and where it goes. Phrases like "reverse racism" and "black-on-black violence" are completely retarded and trivialize the issue.
Give this man a round of applause! 😀
This is not a double post. Check the tree for details. 🙂
But Ultra, you forget that there ARE different races:
Egg and spoon,
Sack,
Three legged,
The list goes on and on!
EDIT: Also, from this day I shall promote the belief that all persons should be painted head to toe in lime green, to stop people being such prats.
Yeah, sure, it's bad, but that's pretty obvious, and I try to put a less obvious twist on any topic. So what do we actually do about racism?
We need to promote the idea that not only is race a social construct, but that grouping in general is an abstraction. Groups do not define any individual unless they allow the group to define them (which they invariably do, but that's beside the point).
Such speech could be best combated not by saying OMG EVIL, or especially not by restricting it, but by demonstrating its obvious stupidity.
Perhaps the kind of racism that gets the most widespread mainstream acceptance is the idea that a person should act their race. People are shunned for trying to be "white," "black," "Japanese," etc. A native American school doesn't admit a white, to preserve the culture taught at the school, failing to realize that the way to do that is to make the culture available to all. Americans are told that it's morally wrong not to love America or capitalism.
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It's only a phrase. Not a real word, but a phrase that has been used to describe racial relations in America between white and black people within the last 200 years.
Racism has been in existence for much longer than America has. I know that. I was referring to racism as it was in America. I mean nothing by 'reverse-racism'; it's just a phrase used to describe an observation as it relates to American history and not world history.
There are two major reasons why you don't get the point, Ultra. One is your feeling that words obviously don't mean much. That's why you explain yourself with saying "it's only a phrase." That's the attitude that causes so many things to continue no matter how wrong it is. If you know better, then you don't use it. ;p There's a reason why actions speak louder than words. The second reason is either your lack of understanding what racism is or U.S. history.
BTW, I'm not referring to world history. I'm referring strickly to U.S. history when I speak about racism and how it has always existed in terms of "White on Black" and "Black on White." There have always existed people that believe in the inherent superiority due to skin color within all races. The ONLY differences between the two forms of racism to which you are referring are 1) the U.S. actually at one point defined White superority over all others and 2) that Whites totally dominated the country legally over all others to preserve it once the superority was taken out. Those two differences are the reasons why I believe most people don't really understand what racism is and silly phrases such as "reverse racism" or "opposite racism" (as I've also heard it) are distorting history and what words mean. The distortion of words contributes to people's miscomprehension of history and even though my main area of expertise has always been math, I love history, too so I get sick of it. It's even worse when someone tells me that they know better and then continue on with it.
Remember, racism is just the belief in the superiority of a group of people soley due to the color of their skin and that is all.
Race itself is not a social construct. Race only refers to the color of a person's skin. Race is no more a social construct than the color of a person's eyes or hair.
The difference between eye color and race is that too many people equate social attitudes with race. THAT'S why a problem exists in terms of grouping. Though hair color is also a basis for some social attitudes, for the most part eye color isn't.
When people finally start equating race with eye color (and hair color in general) the race problem will be solved.
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Okay, lets see if EZboard won't eat this...this time around.
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Firstly, because the music itself has lyrics that promote racism. Which is bad.
And we have music that promotes Satan WORSHIPING, and other such things.
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Secondly, becuase buying and listening to the music gives money to people who will use that money to promote racism. Which is bad.
Same goes with Satan Worshipping. It's no big deal, let them sing what they wa't...or that'd be discriminating aganist the discrimitive. And thats hypocrisy.
See my point?
Good.
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Remember, racism is just the belief in the superiority of a group of people soley due to the color of their skin and that is all.
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Race itself is not a social construct. Race only refers to the color of a person's skin. Race is no more a social construct than the color of a person's eyes or hair.
Not only colour but nationality too, and that's where the line begins to thinnen. For example, I'm half Welsh, though I was born and raised in England I still have Welsh heritage and family, however, the Welsh tend to get steriotyped as "Sheep shaggers", and I find it offensive, as I'm sure many others in Wales do, though there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with people in the streets or on TV in England, which is my problem. This is the kind of thing that goes under peoples noses and out in broad daylight. People will do the same with the French, Germans, Asian...etc.
This is what I think is a major problem, it is essentially racism, the problem I see is that most people tend to defend their own race and colour when racism happens, rather than any other race, though I know that isn't completely true, it's the feeling I get from most people I meet. I myself will defend anyone who I feel is being mistreated.
Race has nothing to do with nationality except that people have decided to add that to it. That's why I agree there's a problem. Scientifically, there's really no difference between the stereotypical "White European" (for example) other than culture--and culture has nothing to do with race. You can say that race has something to do with a small area, which is not necessarily a nation, as there are some slight genetic features (i.e. basic facial features) besides skin color tied into race as originally defined. That's why actually you can say that there are many different Black races (for example) due to genetic differences, which are supposed to be a bit numerous. However, there were originally just three main races based on a combination of colors/features. My biggest concern is that culture is usually confused with (or added to) race definitions. The only thing that should be put in race definitions are genetic-related things--nothing socially created.
I see, I understand a lot better now what you were saying. Though I still stand by my statement that not enough is done about these problems, though it becomes difficult to decide on what should be done.
Still, I hear a lot of prejusice remarks from people against the people of a certain nationality when I travel around, I consider all prejudice equally as bad.
Race has nothing to do with nationality except that people have decided to add that to it.
We could say xenophobia, but it's a big word and some people have trouble with it.
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Race itself is not a social construct. Race only refers to the color of a person's skin. Race is no more a social construct than the color of a person's eyes or hair.
Race is a generalization about genetics. So you're right from a different point of view. Social construct might not be the best label because it's built around actual genetics. But eye and hair color has many variations. The act of classifying them would be a generalization based on socially defined classes, and that's what I mean by social construct.
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Scientifically, there's really no difference between the stereotypical "White European" (for example) other than culture--and culture has nothing to do with race. You can say that race has something to do with a small area, which is not necessarily a nation, as there are some slight genetic features (i.e. basic facial features) besides skin color tied into race as originally defined. That's why actually you can say that there are many different Black races (for example) due to genetic differences, which are supposed to be a bit numerous. However, there were originally just three main races based on a combination of colors/features. My biggest concern is that culture is usually confused with (or added to) race definitions. The only thing that should be put in race definitions are genetic-related things--nothing socially created.
So you could call, for example, Vikings a separate race from other Europeans. Hair color is an obvious feature, and with sophisticated techniques you could distinguish DNA between groups more distinct than white, black, asian, etc. It's no more valid to define race by 3 classes or regional classes or any traditional system than to say that everybody other than an identical twin or clone is a different race. So race is scope dependent and the scope is a social construct.
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We could say xenophobia, but it's a big word and some people have trouble with it.
Xenophobia is understandable. I mean she has that battle cry and chakram. Scary.
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It's no big deal, let them sing what they wa't...or that'd be discriminating aganist the discrimitive. And thats hypocrisy.
That doesnt make sense. It's wrong for me to dislike racism?
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See my point?
Good.
If your point is: "It's okay for pop culture to promote racism because pop culture also promotes Satan worship," then yes, I do see your point, although it is a non sequitur and I do not agree with it.
If your point is something else then I do not see it.
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Race is a generalization about genetics. So you're right from a different point of view. Social construct might not be the best label because it's built around actual genetics. But eye and hair color has many variations. The act of classifying them would be a generalization based on socially defined classes, and that's what I mean by social construct.
There are variations in everything. There are variations within the birds species and we group birds together based on genetics--even within the same specific species. The point is, there is a basis for race. The problem is that people tend to add stuff beyond the basis which perverts the definition. Cycle's reasoning (xenophobia being a "big word") is actually one of the main reasons I think that problem exists. People don't use language correctly anymore.
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Hair color is an obvious feature, and with sophisticated techniques you could distinguish DNA between groups more distinct than white, black, asian, etc.
And nowadays, we do, except for those that are stuck with the old original three. That's why I mentioned that there is more than one Black race.
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It's no more valid to define race by 3 classes or regional classes or any traditional system than to say that everybody other than an identical twin or clone is a different race. So race is scope dependent and the scope is a social construct.
You could say the same thing about being a different "race" for any other species on the planet, but we don't. Genetics do not vary that much that everyone is radically different genetically--true. However, there are enough genetic differences to classify people--and we do it for every species on the planet including ourselves. But I don't use the fact that people don't know how to use correct terminology to refer to things as a reason to deny something.
Just noticed this.
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Racism is Bad! - Sonic HQ - 11/3/05 7:22 pm
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That's where we disagree - True Red - 11/3/05 10:18 pm
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And we have music that promotes Satan WORSHIPING, and other such things.
Matter of scale.
Racism is a widespread problem, leading to fairly frequent cases of violecne, crime, and the like.
Satanism is an extremely narrow phenomenon which few people actually indulge in and even those who who don't let it lead them to crime and violence as much.
Hence, encouraging the major and common issue of racism is much worse and not equivalent to encouraging satanism.
(Personally, I'm not much in favour of either, but that's besides the point)
