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(@suddes_1722585774)
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isn't it about time sega stopped making sonic collections and started to focus on other sonic related terms? now we know they are not including chaotix and sonicarcade what are they going to do next, sonic mini collection

 
 Pach
(@pach)
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For Sega, collections are good. A very nice easy way of getting some money. And to be honest, for some of us gamers now these collections are very good as well. Case in point of Mega Collection, while I had played some of the games on there, I never owned any of them or had the chance to play them extensively until the collection was made.

Again, the point with Sonic Gems Collection. To my knowledge I haven't played a single game on there, so I welcome the collection. And with Knuckles Chaotix and SegaSonic Arcade, I haven't played them either. If they decide to do yet another collection or something and stick them on there, I'll buy it.

The collections are a good thing for newer gamers to the series and it also tides over the time needed to make the newer Sonic games themselves. I really don't mind them. :

 
(@john-taylor_1722027898)
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true but, i suspect that it isnt all segas fault. there was a lot of demand for Sonic CD and more to be put on a Sonic Collection.
although i wished they put some more actual Sonic games on Sonic Gems Collection.
Chaotix and Sonic 1 with Spindash would have been nice.

 
(@hyper-sonic-warrior)
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They might make another collection with Arcade, Chaotix, or even NiGHTS on it. If it had {Christmas?}NiGHTS on it they could just go with the name 'Sonic Team Collection'.

Since Gems has the full versions of S1-SK{no lock-ons tho} they probably could've fit all of Gems and Mega+ on one disc. I wouldn't rule out the idea of them making another collection at all. Even a Gems+.

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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If they make another collection they need to compensate for screwing us over with Gems (give us SoR!) and not be so worried to release a game rated T - T, for cryin' out loud, not really going to dampen your image or anything, given Smash Bros. Melee's rampant success.

Oh, and the next collection... I foresee:

Chaotix
SegaSonic (who knows, maybe they'll figure out a way to work with the whole trackball thing)
NiGHTS (port attempt #2)
Burning Rangers
I dunno... Samba de Amigo?
Some random, unrelated but good Sega game from the Genesis days. Just because.

 
(@hyper-sonic-warrior)
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Ooo, I forgot about Rangers and Samba.

 
(@suddes_1722585774)
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yeah i agree entirely but now that they haven't included knuckles chaotix and sonic arcade where can they put them.
i collect the sonic game and being only 14 i have 34 titles and am getting annoyed at having to keep forking out for collections with artwork that i can easily find on the net. the only two sonic games i haven't played are chaotix and sonic arcade and even though i can get chaotix on e bay, it is an unbelievable price, at this rate i may never be able to play those games.

 
(@suddes_1722585774)
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believe it or not i have never played nights but i am attempting to find a copy, but what do you mean by attempt 2 shadow hog?

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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Please use the Edit button.

Anyway, I'm pretty certain that the man behind Gems claimed, in an interview, that they actually HAD tried porting NiGHTS, but weren't too successful this time around. Given that that pretty much HAS to be a cornerstone title for the next collection to do well at all, they're going to have to give it another go...

 
(@very-crazy-penguin_1722585704)
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I think NiGHTS would probably be much more profitable stand-alone (it certainly deserves it). I'm not counting on Sega to be porting Saturn games any time soon, given the difficulty.

There's still plenty of Sonic games left to make a third and final "Sonic Collection" game. And if Gems sells as well as Sega are hoping I don't doubt that there will be a third volume.

Arcade
SegaSonic the Hedgehog

Super 32X
Chaotix

Saturn/PC
Sonic 3D

Dreamcast
Sonic Shuffle

Neo Geo Pocket Colour
Sonic Pocket Adventure

Master System
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic Chaos
Sonic Spinball
Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
Sonic Blast

If all of those are included (well, I can take or leave Shuffle given that it's a Dreamcast game) then I'll be happy. I really hope that Sonic Pocket Adventure isn't overlooked (it seems to be the one game in biggest danger of that, Pico stuff aside). It'd be nice if both Saturn and PC versions of the Special Stages were included as optionals in Sonic 3D, but I wouldn't count on it.

 
(@matt7325)
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Are the special stages of Sonic 3D Saturn and Sonic 3D PC very different? I haven't played the Saturn version in about a decade, and I bought the PC version a few weeks ago... the special stages are, to put it mildly, unimpressive.

VCP - are the Master System versions of those games very different from the Game Gear versions? (excluding screen size and some music changes)

I wouldn't mind seeing NiGHTS and/or Shuffle ported as direct games, with some of the others being available as unlockable when you complete certain tasks (beat the game as Sonic, earn 50,000 points, something really good on NiGHTS which I can't suggest because I've never played it, etc.)

When you think about it, there's not really a lot of choice for games left. Chaotix, SegaSonic, Pocket Adventure, Saturn 3D, and Shuffle. None of which you could really build a collection around. Throw in NiGHTS and, say, Burning Rangers or something else Sonic Team has done (Phantasy Star?), and they'd probably be able to make it sell.

Perhaps I'm being foolishly optimistic here, but maybe that's why Chaotix et al were excluded from Gems Collection - so they could make a third collection with NiGHTS as the biggest drawing point, and also to be able to entice Sonic fans with the "rarest" games of the series.

 
(@awesomesonicfan)
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I almost forgot about Sonic Pocket Adventure! xD

btw, Hi James ^_^

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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Are the special stages of Sonic 3D Saturn and Sonic 3D Blast very different?


Sonic 3D Blast refers to ALL the versions, you know. Except in Europe or Japan. I prefer to combine the two together and get Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies' Island, solely because the PC version does that when minimized.

Anywho, yes, the special stages vary greatly between versions. The Genesis ones suck, the PC ones suck less (and are actually kinda fun), and the Saturn ones were orgasmic at the time, though the graphics have aged since then.

 
(@ducttaped32x)
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If at all possible, they should port Nights as a main game for the Sonic Team Collection, as HSW suggested. Along with that they could add in the Saturn version of Sonic 3D Blast, assuming they are able to port another Saturn game. Anyway, here's what I think would make a nice collection to round out the trilogy:

Saturn:
Nights into Dreams
Sonic 3D Blast

32X:
Chaotix

Arcade:
SegaSonic

No GameGear titles, I really don't care about those anymore

Genesis:
Phantasy Star series
Kid Chameleon
ToeJam & Earl 1 &2 (I'm sure some would buy it just for these two titles)

NeoGeoPocket:
Sonic Pocket Adventure

And just for the heck of it, they could add a Sonic level creator program similar to the debug code for Sonic 1, except in this you have sprites from all the Genesis games, and can save your levels, and then play through them!

Perhaps all of that is asking for a bit much, but I think it would be incredible.


 
(@matt7325)
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Sonic 3D Blast refers to ALL the versions, you know. Except in Europe or Japan. I prefer to combine the two together and get Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies' Island, solely because the PC version does that when minimized.


Gaaah. Yeah, I meant to write "Sonic 3D Saturn" and "Sonic 3D PC". Chalk it up to lack of sleep. *goes to edit*

I tend to go with Sonic 3D Blast: Flickies' Island as well, although I was raised on Flickies' Island alone, so I guess I tend to favour it more =p

I always enjoyed the Mega Drive special stages, although I do admit they were insanely easy. But it's nice being able to have all the emeralds before the end of Rusty Ruin =p

Ducttaped - dude, I would so totally buy any game that had emulation of Toejam and Earl =D. Aside from Sonic and SoR, those two games probably clocked up most of the playing time on my Mega Drive.

I really hope the Revolution allows Sega game downloads.

 
(@john-taylor_1722027898)
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Right, Sonic Mega Gems Collection
Mega Drive
Sonic 1 With Spindash
ToeJam and Earl 1/2 (never played them)
Sonic Crackers/Stadium (What the heck eh?)

Mega Drive 32X
Knuckles Chaotix

Neo Geo Pocket Colour
Sonic Pocket Adventure (Sonic 2 remix)

Arcade
Sega Sonic Arcade

Saturn
Sonic 3D: Flickies Island / Blast (im not sure any more)
NiGHTs
Burning Rangers
Xmas NiGHTs
Sonic Xtreme

Game Gear
They've done them all on SMC+ and SGC and SADXDC

Dreamcast
Sonic Shuffle (good version, faster loading, fairer AI)
Chu Chu Rocket (couldnt understand why Sega didnt do a Chu Chu Rocket, Toy Racer, Planet Ring and Sega Swirl compliation for Xbox Live)

 
(@jeffery-mewtamer)
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Heres what I like to see done:

Sega Genesis Collection:
All of the famous non-sonic Genesis Games

Nights DX:
Combine Nights and Xmas night into a single game. So full game with all the Xmas nights bonuses.

SegaSonic Arcade DS:
Port to the nintendo ds and give it a touchscreen trackball.

Sonic Pocket Adventure:
GBA port please

Chaotix
GBA port please

Sonic Shuffle:
Gamecude port please

Thats my 2 yen

 
(@very-crazy-penguin_1722585704)
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Are the special stages of Sonic 3D Saturn and Sonic 3D PC very different? I haven't played the Saturn version in about a decade, and I bought the PC version a few weeks ago... the special stages are, to put it mildly, unimpressive.


The PC ones suck. The Saturn ones are the best Special Stages the Sonic series has ever seen.

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VCP - are the Master System versions of those games very different from the Game Gear versions? (excluding screen size and some music changes)


Not very, but the few differences are notable enough to merit them being ported. Screen area alone really; it's nice to see where you're running. They'd take up almost zero disc space so there's really no excuse for them being excluded.

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Sonic Crackers/Stadium (What the heck eh?)
Sonic Xtreme


The first was an early version of Chaotix and the second was canned before it was anywhere near completion.

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SegaSonic Arcade DS:
Port to the nintendo ds and give it a touchscreen trackball.


It's a 15 minute game.

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Sonic Shuffle:
Gamecude port please


It really isn't good enough of a game to merit a stand alone re-release 6 years later.

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Chaotix
GBA port please


I think that would kill the chances of the game ever getting a properly console port.

As for NiGHTS on a Sonic collection, I still flat out say no, for the same reason I wouldn't want Casablanca's 75th anniversary celebrated by releasing the film in a jumbo bargain film pack with The Addams Family Values, Home Alone and Robocop III.

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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I'd debate that. The Addams Family films, Home Alone and Robocop 3 were in no way made by the person who made Casablanca, so your analogy would be the equivalent of tossing NiGHTS in a collection with, given I'm guessing all of the prior movies suck (save maybe Home Alone), the likes of Mario is Missing, ET for the Atari 2600 and Deadly Towers. Which we're not. I can come up with a more apt analogy, but later; school's not exactly the place to do that.

And it still irks me how everybody and their grandmother lists all the obscure Sonic games and NiGHTS, but gives no love to anything ELSE Sonic Team has done, be it BR, Samba, Chu Chu (yes, I know there's a GBA port, hence why I tend to disregard it), Phantasy Star 2 (well, not Sonic Team exactly, but it had some of the programmers who did the early Sonic games working on it, IIRC)...

 
(@mr-creosote)
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One thing Sega should have done with the Game gear games would have been to port them to the GBA, as the GBA is powerful enough to fully emulate GG and SMS games.

Also you may notice from the picture that the Sonic game running on my GBA is actually the GG version, but it fills the screen without distortion. This can be achieved because the Game gear actually processes a larger field of play than is displayed (i.e is cut off by the screen size). So if they altered the emulator they used in the Sonic collections, a larger field of play could have been seen whilst maintaining the Game Gears higher palette.

 
(@ducttaped32x)
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And it still irks me how everybody and their grandmother lists all the obscure Sonic games and NiGHTS, but gives no love to anything ELSE Sonic Team has done, be it BR, Samba, Chu Chu, Phantasy Star 2


I mentionted the Phantasy Star series as part of the Genesis games in my suggested collection. I didn't mention BR or Samba, because I have never played either one (would Samba be very fun without the maracas?). Chu Chu Rocket kept me entertained for about a week, but I would play it again with friends.

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Nights DX:
Combine Nights and Xmas night into a single game. So full game with all the Xmas nights bonuses.


Cool idea. Perhaps increase the length of the Sonic into Dreams game as well?


 
(@very-crazy-penguin_1722585704)
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The Addams Family films, Home Alone and Robocop 3 were in no way made by the person who made Casablanca


NiGHTS was in no way made by the teams that made SegaSonic the Hedgehog, Chaotix etc.

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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Hmm. Touch.

Regardless, I still think it should be in the collection. NiGHTS is a nice game and all, but as far as today's games go, I dare say it's lacking a bit in content, even if you tack on Xmas NiGHTS. Having at LEAST Burning Rangers to back it up would help considerably.

Heck, screw Chaotix, if just THOSE games were released in a compilation, all to themselves, I'd pick it up.

 
(@ducttaped32x)
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if just THOSE games [Nights & BR] were released in a compilation, all to themselves, I'd pick it up.


As would I.


 
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