WARNING!!!!
THIS IS A TOPIC TO TELL OTHERS ABOUT YOUR OWN WEIRD THEORIES YOU MAINTAIN AND WY YOU DO SO; DO NOT RIDICULE OTHERS' IDEAS, THIS ISN'T THE PLACE!
Well, here are some of mine:
Gamma: You know how Gamma was in Battle? And how he acted differently? In Emerl's story, when you go to the depot, ha acts more like the calm, logic-driven softie we knew from Adventure and Shuffle than how he acted throughout the rest of the game. Is it possible that, during one of the many thrashings he received, that some part of his old self (the birdie) that had somehow remained imprinted upon his core and processors was brought up to the surface? I like to think so. Then again, I AM a Gamma fan, and maybe it's just wishful thinking. But can you PROVE to me that that's all it is? (In fact, this is in the spirit of what I intend this topic to be- random speculation, based on at least SOME evidence, yet can be neither proved nor disproved, that someone came up with, and would like to share.)
The Gamma in Sonic Battle, is "Chaos Gamma", and he's actually a completely seperate robot.
I know... but it WAS Gamma's parts. And who knows, really. Rouge even said "That may not be the robot you guys know as Gamma"-emphasis on MAY. It's left pretty open to interpretation, if you ask me.
So does this mean Gamma is going to get his own "mysterious past" game?
However, there is one problem with that: 4Kids voice actor
I can stand the one they got for him for Sonic X if it means more Gamma!
Anyways, there's more evidence that lead me to this conclusion: At the beginning of Emerl's story, Eggman says Chaos and Gamma are useless, not Chaos Gamma is useless. Why would Eggman think Chaos is useless? For one thing, he's now openly hostile to him. Could this mean Gamma now is, too? If so, does this mean that some part of the old Gamma resurfaced, a la Gemerl/Emerl at the end of Sonic Advance 3- which took place BEFORE battle(meaning there was already a precedent set for this sort of thing- for Gemerl AND Shadow)?
I always assumed that was a translation mistake though. IIRC, the line is "Chaos and Gamma were defeated"; Eggman is saying this while he is rambling about how his plans have failed; but Chaos was never part of his plans at all in Sonic Battle, and Chaos doesn't show up until AFTER the Death Egg appears in the sky, which happens after Eggman's rant. Chaos had nothing to do with Eggman's plans at all, and he wasn't defeated by anyone, he hadn't even appeared, so I'm inclined to believe in the original Japanese text he just says "Chaos Gamma was defeated" or something along those lines. And the Battle Gamma *is* mentioned as being named "Chaos Gamma" at other points in the game.
Conclusion-translation mistake. Sorry.
Translation mistake indeed.
And actually, continuity-wise, Battle came before Advance 3.
Yeah, Battle most definitely does come before Advance 3. Why would it come after?
Could this mean Gamma now is, too? If so, does this mean that some part of the old Gamma resurfaced, a la Gemerl/Emerl at the end of Sonic Advance 3
What? Gamma has nothing to do with G-mel at all. For the most part, G-mel was created based on Emerl, hence the reason why the two of them look similar.
First off, I said EXPLICITLY that Gamma would have to have had his previous life's memories knocked into him, thus explaining the crazy "I am Chaos Gamma! Give Me the Shards! BWAHAHAHAH" and the mellower, more Gamma-like "Analyzing surroundings.... Analysis complete. Surroundings are optimal for training mode" we hear in Emerl's story.
Well, I NEVER said Gamma was related to G-mel (or Gemerl- the name I prefer to use)- I used it as an example of how this kind of thing COULD work. And whether or not G-Mel and Emerl are the same is never REALLY confirmed- it is ALSO LEFT UP TO THE PLAYER!
Super Sonic has a different name, but is not necessarily a different character. And, while that line MAY be a translation error, Gamma, like so much of Battle's plot, is left up to the player to interpret (how many times must I point out Battle's ambiguity?!?).
Besides, I also wnated to hear about OTHER people's crazy theories, not just my own. And I NEVER said you had to agree with me about this. This is more an "expression" topic than a "discussion" topic, anyways.
By the way, I'm a Gamma fan, in case you hadn't noticed.
Gah! I'm trying to post my Sonic 1 level select theory, but I can't!
Edit: Not even editing works. ;_; Any suggestions?
I think Sonic is a creation of Robotnik, Robotnik was inspired by his Granddad creating Shadow. That would explain why Sonic and Shadow look simalar, wouldn't it?
This is Erika the Ocelot's boyfriend, she asked me to post this instead of her, it seems she's havin problems posting.
"I always had this theory about Sonic 1 and how the level order originally was supposed to be..
This theory originated after I had a look at the level select screen, where the levels are in this order:
Green Hill Zone
Labyrinth Zone
Marble Zone
Star Light Zone
Spring Yard Zone
Scrap Brain Zone
Well, my theory is that this was the original stage order before they changed it to what it is now (perhaps because having Labyrinth as second would make it too difficult).
The reason? To my mind that order would make Sonic's "adventure" take one day to complete:
In Green Hill Zone it is very bright and is either morning or noon.
In Labyrinth Zone you can't see the background, but it is a very bright zone so one can suppose it's noon or afternoon.
Marble Zone is darker, looks like the end of the day, maybe just before sunset.
Star Light Zone is obviously night.
Spring Yard Zone is dawn, the mountains in the background even have a pinkish shade to them like at dawns IRL.
Scrap Brain Zone is also dawn in the first act, not as obvious because the air is pretty polluted, while act 2 is inside and I can just guess it stil is like that. Act 3 is Labyrinth-ish again and here we can see it's still quite dark, though there is a feeble light. Makes sense the light would get to underground caves later during the day.
Final Zone you see nothing.. and during the ending you're in Green Hill again, which is the morning of the next day.
I suppose that South Island is full of Labyrinth-ish underground paths underneath it. Explaining why you end up in Labyrinth again at Scrap Brain 3.
This theory might be totally off, but I think it's a nice idea nonetheless.. it's somehow nice to imagine that it'd take Sonic one day to put an end to Eggman's plan in Sonic 1."
Nice idea!
I believe that Knuckle's chest swoosh is not actually a white nike symbol or necklace or tribal paint/markings or a patch of hairless skin, but that the origional inention was for it to be a pouch where knuckles put the emeralds for safe-keeping *since echidnas do have pouches*.
The fallacy here is that only girl echidnas have baby pouches, but i dont think it was looken at that closely.
*i've stated this idea on this site before*
It's the Nike Swoosh. It was going to be part of a cross-promotion between Sega and Nike, but it fell apart at the last moment and it was too late to remove the design from Knuckles, so it became more of a ring shape.
Interestingly enough, I swear I've seem some official promotional art of Knuckles where he didn't have a white mark at all.
honestly, if i didnt know that theory about knuckles promoting nike i wouldn't have mentioned that in my post. However, last time i can remember SEGA and Nike having anything to do wtih each other was when Nike sued SEGA for portraying michael jordan in the copyrighted slow-motion flying dunk.
I dont see how your idea has any more merrit or is much more plausable than mine just because wikipedia talks abouts its inspiration from nike. I wish you'd comment on my idea and not try and discredit it with word-of-mouth facts *although this is the internet*.
I am pretty sure i have seen knuckles portrayed without a crest as well, not sure if it was official or in comics or where though.
I didn't get anything from Wikipedia, I got it from The Green Hill Zone, which is a heck of a lot more reliable than Wikipedia any day.
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Character designer Takashi Yuda faced a challenge in coming up with a rival for Sonic, and a number of prototype designs were scrapped before the final version was chosen based on feedback from a group of children. (Knuckles was originally intended to be green, not red.) The white stripe on the gullible guardian's chest was inspired by the Nike swish logo, remnant of an aborted collaboration with said shoe manufacturer.
For the record, I rather like your idea - Knuckles having a pouch would be quite neat, especially as there's nothing that really marks him as an echidna except his name. But the fact is, it's been disputed, there's no point arguing about it - we may as well be discussing whether or not Sega made Sonic blue as an homage to one of the Totoro, or something.
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Knuckles *snip* as there's nothing that really marks him as an echidna except his name.
He has an elongated muzzle like echidnas and has long spikes as well (the "dreadlocks"). Furthermore he also burrows around a lot and doesn't like bright lights (mentioned in some manual, too), just like echidnas in real life.
Btw, I find the pouch theory quite interesting as well. =3
I like the pouch theory better, but the Nike one is probably right.
By the way, good points, everyone!
