lol, only read the first bit.

If you think the fanbase is falling apart due to arguments between different camps of fans, you are sadly mistaken. Look at, for example, the Star Wars or Star Trek fan communities. There are toooooons of arguments over there. That hasn't had any apparent negative consequences on those fanbases.

Can you remember the last Sonic game that received critical praise? I'm not talking about "it was pretty good" kind of stuff... I mean nominations for "Game of the Year". I sure as hell can't. SA1 maybe?

If you want someone to blame for the dwindling fan base, direct your blame towards Sega and their insistence on releasing mediocre games.

First, I was posting that FOR Someone else.

Second, you have such the nerve! You do not seem to have any idea how the fanbase gets along now. And this is complaining about mediocre games? That was so unrealistic.

Thirdly, the fanbase is falling apart, and you just don't care and all you can do is blame Sega for this when you know little about the current fan base status and you think it's all Sega's fault?

That automatically fails!

Hear that, Hiro?

It AUTOMATICALLY fails!

XD XD XD

Thank you, I really needed a laugh =)

I find it very ironic that someone new to the board is saying I know nothing about the fan base.

Well, our particular forum suffers no arguements and drama. Hell, I sometimes miss the drama.

The Mobius Forum suffers apathy. No one cares too much about Sonic stuff of late. Well, except to mock it (See the amazing Unleashed theme of our spam forum), look at the activity in this game forum, even though we're on the advent of two games in the next six months there's no discussion.

The Archie section of our forum is pretty much an isolated segment which runs almost seperately from the rest and the rest of the forum has nothing to do with Sonic (lol, Fleetway section).

I know that The Mobius Forum is not "The Online Sonic Community", but as we're a forum unto ourselves, then the way we are is how we are.

I have taken a break from laughing to make this post.

...But I have nothing to say. All I can do is laugh.

Thank you good sir, you have made my day.

To be on topic-ish, LOL Sonic fanbase. What is this. =(

I read that post on Sonic Stadium the other day. Blame has to go to both Sega and the fans for the Sonic games failing.

1. Sega makes crap games like no tomorrow.
2. An absurd number of fans seem to actually like this practice, thusly the games hadn't gotten any better. =P

Second, you have such the nerve! You do not seem to have any idea how the fanbase gets along now. And this is complaining about mediocre games? That was so unrealistic.

are you seriously this naive

moving on, you have yet to explain why preserving the "sonic fanbase" is so important. you don't "save" a fanbase as if it's some sort of endangered species. if people lose interest in a series, then it's their business and you can't and shouldn't do anything about it. the only entity that can is the one that makes these games.

you probably think that responses like this one are "destroying the fanbase". you are more than welcome to believe so, but you should understand that arguments and debates have occurred ever since the series' inception and occur in every fanbase (i'm sick of using this $$*#!%% word). they do far from destroying anything and, in fact, sometimes result in a positive outcome by encouraging people to think harder. hopefully, this will work for you.

Yeah, I understand, Deckman22.

Also, I am not that naive.

You think the fanbase has been falling apart over the years? Guess what else has been falling apart over the years? Sonic.

The nature of the Sonic fanbase is going to be highly dependent on what is going on in the Sonic world. If things in the Sonic world are falling apart, then there's going to be crying. If things in the Sonic world are going awesome, then community is going to be positive and more active.

As of now, Sonic Team isn't really dishing out any high-quality Sonic games for the consoles, and as a fan, I'm displeased, and consistently crying and not helping the overall problem.

Don't expect the fanbase to be "normal" again till Sonic himself is "normal" again.

Part of the problem is that the Sonic fan community has always been divided and we all hate each other. Sad but true. I mean I hate Mr. Barrett, up there. Look at him, poncing around with a Wario avatar. Makes me sick. Its still 1994 in my mind mate! It is not at all hypocritical for me to have a Rabbid avatar. Not at all.

The problem is exasperated by the fact that the Sonic series isn't going along smoothly. It impossible to make every fan happy with a product, mostly because there are so many versions of Sonic, but you get the feeling that they don't even try to make the games good anymore.

Not that anyone agrees on what makes a good Sonic game.

Of course its not entirely Sega's fault on the fanbase not liking each other.

The only way I can see the fanbase actually liking each other again is a series of decent Sonic games really. Then its just a case of the fanbase reverting back to secretly hating each other.

that automatically fails = what are you some kind of cold man

i'm pretty sure the fanbase is less argumentative now than it was before sonic went down the hole

You know what's really killing the fanbase?

Assasins.

Seriously, it's true, SEGA are actually tired as heck of making Sonic games, but we just won't let them stop, hence the plummeting quality in an effort to put us off, and now, since that hasn't worked they are sending out highly skilled hitmen to silence us one by one. Kill the fanbase, kill the franchise. Then they can go onto bringing the Lindenburg into a home console.

Obviously.

I say, I wonder how ol' Pat is doing. Wonder if he's buggin' some other poor board with his pro-Sega, anti-Nintendo rants or if he's actualy found a home with his own kind. *looks up in the sky pensively and strokes chin*

First, I was posting that FOR Someone else.

Second, you have such the nerve! You do not seem to have any idea how the fanbase gets along now. And this is complaining about mediocre games? That was so unrealistic.

Thirdly, the fanbase is falling apart, and you just don't care and all you can do is blame Sega for this when you know little about the current fan base status and you think it's all Sega's fault?

That automatically fails!

Just curious...who was this directed at then?

The problem with the Sonic fanbase, IMHO, is that there are essentially two different camps: the older fans who got hooked via the 2D games and the younger fans who got hooked via the 3D games.

At this point in time, it seems that Sega is catering more to the younger fanbase than the older fanbase, which is totally understandable. After all, I doubt the Sonic series could survive solely only on the older fanbase.

The problem is that Sega focuses too much on the youngsters than the oldbies. Sega should really take a look at Hasbro's strategy concerning Transformers: use new concepts to bring new fans in, but keep ties to the older concepts to keep the current fans happy. They're obviously doing something right, considering that Transformers has been going strong for almost 25 years running. In fact, it's more popular now than it's ever been.

I'm pretty confident that older fans would embrace newer ideas, IF they were implemented properly. Sonic Adventure 1 was probably the best of the 3D games, because while it was a new concept, it was done rather well. Sure there were a few bugs, but it's to be expected since 3D Sonic was still a fledgeling at the time.

If Sega would just step back, realize that they need to spend more time debugging their games, not focus so much on the next new character, and put out a genuinely fun and well developed game, I'd run right back into their arms. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Obviously there is only one solution here.

Get Simon Furman to write Sonic games. Then debug them properly.

Obviously there is only one solution here.

Get Simon Furman to write Sonic games. Then debug them properly.

That would be awesome. Just as long as Pat Lee doesn't get anywhere near the character designs.

Obviously there is only one solution here.

Get Simon Furman to write Sonic games. Then debug them properly.

Mass killing of several characters that nobody gives a crap about? Sounds good.

Actual character development for lesser characters that would actually give them appeal and interest? Sounds good.

A raging subplot that finally culminates in an epic oddessy of pure unadulterated joy? Sounds SUPER.

Seriously Marvel Transformers Issues #69-80 <3 <3 <3

I guess Sonic fans have been dragged through WAY too many instances of "Cry Wolf" with Sonic games.

Omg this one will be great! But its not.

This one will reinvent the series! Yeah it sure did. In the worst possible way.

Darker Edgier is the way to go! *weeps*

over and over again.

Do you know who we are? Our site used to be the top sonic site back in the day.

THIS IS SONICHQ

I know back in the day near the top of the screen where the active members are shown, would be four of five or even six lines tall. Now It's an oddity if I see more than 6 to 10 names on there.

*whistles the theme to the Worst Witch tv movie*

Personally, I think I *am* endangered. I mean, I'm getting *old*, man! All you young whippersnappers dashing around...

Sonic had his day back in the 90s, when you couldn't move for a new game, new merchandise, new comic, new cartoon, new Formula 1 car. These days, those of us who've been around long enough to remember it often look at the new games and go "meh". It's like the new Indy - if something had a special place in your heart when you were 10 years old, an incarnation that comes along 20 years later is unlikely to have quite the same appeal.

As Craig says, here we're often apathetic - in my case 'cos I've been there, done that and the games don't get any better. So why waste energy typing about them? Let alone arguing about them.

South Island's been relatively dead for a while as well - darn shame they're not making more Sonic X, 'cos the place was jumping back then!

DW

All large fan bases are prone to idiocy and drama even if source of the entertainment is relatively good. Just take a look at the Final Fantasy fan base for example.

However, some fan bases have higher levels apathy and/or hate than others because of the entertainment and possibly some certain sub-culture folks who are lumped in with said entertainment.

All large fan bases are prone to idiocy and drama even if source of the entertainment is relatively good. Just take a look at the Final Fantasy fan base for example.

However, some fan bases have higher levels apathy and/or hate than others because of the entertainment and possibly some certain sub-culture folks who are lumped in with said entertainment.

Hooligans, in mah Sonikku?