No where close to the speed of light, dude. We're talking 3,700 miles every second versus 180,000 miles every second. Heh, but yea you see "if only Metal had a brain...and a heart...". Sonic's performance is pretty much up to par with who or whatever he is up against. I have no real answer as to how Sonic defeated Shadow, or Emerl[who was a super pain to fight...geez]. =/
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I have no real answer as to how Sonic defeated Shadow, or Emerl
Because he's the protagonist. The hero always has to win, no matter the odds.
Spiner's got it. >_< lol
Oh, I thought it was 224,000 miles per second. Sorry.
So if Sonic's reformance flucurates with the person he's fighting, does that mean Sonic matches Shadow's strength and speed in battle? That's the only way he could possibly win unless he resorts to outsmarting or tricking Shadow.
Well, in Battle they weren't even running at full speed. They were just moving in a small arena.
In an open field Sonic probably runs faster.
You also don't need to be stronger than someone to beat him. Just make sure to block the others' attacks or dodge them and hit back. Shadow can be as strong as he wants, but if he doesn't land a hit there's no way he'll beat anyone.
Techinally, if Shadow is stronger and faster than Sonic, he should be able hit faster than Sonic can block, and catch Sonic's blows.
Just because he runs fast doesn't mean he attacks as fast.
Besides, IMO Sonic at full speed is faster.
This debate could go on for a long time until sega comes out with TEH SPEED SIMULATOR *echo echo echo*
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This debate could go on for a long time until sega comes out with TEH SPEED SIMULATOR *echo echo echo*
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I remember how in the last battle of SA2, you have to fight your opposite hedgehog in a never-ending straight path by catching up to your enemy. As Sonic, it was pretty easy catching up to Shadow, but as Shadow, it took him FOREVER to catch up to Sonic. Why was that? Is Shadow really faster like how Battle predicts; or is he slower that his hated Blue nemesis?
People ignored my post. 
I'm almost tempted to say that his floaty jet shoes are what give him his speed. And that he's really a lot slower than Sonic.
I doubt if either Sonic or Shadow would be capable of running at full speed without their shoes. Sonic's shoes must be made from some super strong material to withstand the amount of friction that running at such high speeds would create, and Shadow's Rocket Skates remove friction altogether.
I'm saying if Shadow wore normal shoes, or at least shoes without Rocket Skates, I don't think he'd be as fast or faster than Sonic.
Exactly. Put Sonic in Shadow's shoes and he go even faster. Put Shadow in Sonic's shoe and he might move fast, but not as fast as Sonic. Since we're on the subjest, how did Sonic get his shoes?
from the Soap Company. At least in SA2 XD I don't think theres much history behind his shoes in the games.
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Oh yes.
I wish Silver's design had have been something other than hedgehog. He's slow so he kind of messes up the whole hedghog=speed thing. And he probably will never be popular enough to get a solo adventure like Shadow did.
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And he probably will never be popular enough to get a solo adventure like Shadow did.
Never say never my friend...
The only fast ones are Metal Sonic, Shadow, and Sonic. The rest just run like a regular human.:P
^ Can a regular human run a slope of 90 degrees? Can they run through a loop-de-loop? Can they run at break-neck speeds, trudging through insanely, obstacle coursed levels that don't really exist? 
I don't think so.
Hmm...well if the levels don't really exist, then sure we can. Why not? 😛
Because I doubt a normal human could go around a 360 loop, even at full speed. How about this: Do you think it possible for a human to go around roller coasrer loop just by running? Of course, no.
Since we are on that subject, How fast most Sonic go to run on water?
Hahaha well it's been awhile since i've taken physics but the weight of water is like 32 lb/m cubed or something...I can't remember anything from that class. XD But I know there's a way to calculate how fast. And really I don't think it has much to do with speed as much as it does with weight distribution. *shrugs*
The characters seem to change speed between titles. Just compare Tails and Amy between Sonic Adventure, Heroes, and Sonic 06 (Tails has slowed down while Amy sped up). The only safe thing to say is Sonic/Shadow/Metal Sonic > everybody else.
But for the main characters, I think the list should go:
1 Metal Sonic - not a main character but too important to not be included, Metal is designed to be faster than Sonic and as a robot he doesn't threaten Sonic's title of fastest, Sonic defeats him all the time because his cold robotic mindset can't compare to Sonic's heart.
2 Sonic - his speed is stated to be second to noone.
3 Shadow - his air shoe skates seem to be designed to cheapen his claim to fastest, like saying he needs them just to keep up with Sonic, besides Shadow balances it with powerful Chaos Control attacks (Sonic Battle said Shadow is faster but it seems like it was to balance out the difficulty of using his moveset ingame, and it was made by Dimps so Sonic Team could have overlooked it, they're known to do such things after all).
-big gap between supersonic characters and subsonic characters
4 Tails - as Sonic's sidekick, he belongs in this spot.
5 Amy - chasing Sonic around all the time means she should be high up the speed ranking.
6 Cream - rabbit, nuff said (though perhaps she should be faster than Amy to balance Amy's being stronger)
7 Rouge - she balances Knuckles being stronger than her with an edge in speed.
8 Knuckles - he might be slow but he keeps his fights with Sonic fair with his raw strength and fighting skills.
some other characters (the Chaotix members, Blaze, Silver, etc) haven't been around long enough or are too underdeveloped (I don't feel like including Jet since it would mean I should include more of the others - but he would fall in with the supersonic characters), the remaining characters (Eggman, Big) are so slow that they're not worth it (including Eggy's sprints which are more for comical effect - besides crapping himself might serve as a rocket to his speed), and lastly including the Super tranformations would just be too obvious as to where they go.
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well it's been awhile since i've taken physics but the weight of water is like 32 lb/m cubed or something...I can't remember anything from that class. XD But I know there's a way to calculate how fast. And really I don't think it has much to do with speed as much as it does with weight distribution.
Well, they don't really weight that much. Most of them are shorter than 4 feet. So it might be easy to figure that out.
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Sonic Battle said Shadow is faster but it seems like it was to balance out the difficulty of using his moveset ingame, and it was made by Dimps so Sonic Team could have overlooked it, they're known to do such things after all
Dimps wasen't involved in Sonic Battle. Dimps isin't even mentioned it the credits. If you don't believe me, here are two sources: (1) (2)
crud, I assumed too much because of the Sonic Advance series being by Dimps. that's also a really good game for the post-Sonic Adventure 2 Sonic Team
well I know that "walking" on water is possible, because this lizard can do it [at a much slower pace]
www.metacafe.com/watch/446078/water_walking_lizard
Yea I know what lizard you're talking about. Although i'm pretty sure they're running when they are on it...maybe...
SPEED LEVELS
Metal Sonic
Shadow (with Air Shoes)/Emerl awakened
Sonic/Eggman
Shadow (shoeless)
Blaze/Silver (Sonic Rivals)
Espio/Mighty
Amy (post Sonic Heroes)
Tails/Silver (Sonic 2K6)
Rouge/Bean
Cream/Tikal
Charmy
Knuckles
Amy (pre Sonic Heroes)/Nack aka Fang
Vector/Sonic (when underwater)
Gamma/Omega
default Emerl/Bark
Big
Chaos (Sonic Battle)
unrankable- Babylon Rogues, haven't appeared without Extreme Gear to boost speed. Running speed unknown. I never played Sonic Arcade, so I have no clue where to fit Ray. Sorry flying squirel fans ^^;
In game notes: Sonic Battle confirms that Shadow's air shoes allow him to run faster than Sonic. Sonic Battle Amy is established as training to get faster and stronger in attempt to woo Sonic, thus the difference between her earlier performances. Silver's speed boost is unexplained, and I'm not totally sure how to rank his console speed. He seemed very slow there, but then again Tails was much slower than usual in that game, and since hedgehog seem to be speed characters nowadays I ranked them as equal. Some characters were not given official stats in their limited appearances, but Bean is pretty quick with his attacks, Nack is much slower without his bike, and Bark is very very slow (but still a little bit faster than Big).
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I don't think Dr. Eggman should actually be in the speed list. There was a technical reason why Sonic couldn't catch him in Sonic 2 -- It was a gag ("Hee hee! Look at him go!"
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As for Eggman. I don't care. He may be on the list, but is just invisible (which is hard for him to do.
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I think that this would explain...a lot!
About the whole Shadow with Air Shoes thing... am I the only one who noticed that "Air Shoes" is technically the name of his equivalent power up to Sonic's Light Shoes?
XDXD! Awesome ChaoRcute. I love how Eggman's run is much like that of Sonic's in the 3D games[ala arms behind back and all]. But that is right Sonic332. Then again that is a story element. Shad had his "air shoes" when he was released from slumber. But I know what you mean. Nice point.
What I mean is, the shoes themselves have never been given a name of their own (outside the modified version used in Riders) but they used the name for the Light Dash upgrade in Battle. Does it mean anything? I don't know.
^ I don't think they mean anything. Shadow's Shoes are just normaly called the Air Rocket-whatever-you-want-to-call-them. It's the fact that you are mixing them up because Shady's shoes don't really have a name.
Also, there is some confusion on whether Knuckles is fast or not. So, I tried a little experiment.
Remember the Sonic 3 competition modes? After going back to playing it, Knuckles was faster than Tails. And, in Sonic R, believe it or not, Knuckles's speed was exactly identical to Sonics'. :O It's just the fact that Knuckles accel. is about a second or less slower that proves that Sonic's faster.
It's wierd how much he's been downgraded over the years compared to this.
Shadow cannot possibly be faster than Sonic. The only game to claim he is, Sonic Battle, is not a main story, big release, console game. Games like Battle, Sonic Riders, or other spin-off or low-budget games can't be held in the same regard as bigger ones.
What Battle attempts to do is retcon Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Heroes (which both say Sonic and Shadow are equal), but it fails because SA2 and SH are of the big games. And besides that fact, Sonic is stated to be the fastest numerous times, even in the manual of Shadow's own game (another big game).
Meanwhile Sonic 06 says Sonic is faster in two places: in game (Mach Speed Zones) and the website (Shadow's bio states that Shadow's speed 'nearly rivals' Sonic's). Sonic Rivals may be a non-big game like Battle but, like the wimpy lacky, it backs up the big boss, Sonic 06, with Sonic being fastest (just check the character bios on the game's website, it says Sonic is "the fastest character in the game"). There are really only two ways to go on this: they are equal or that has been retconned to Sonic is faster.
But I'm not argueing that the Battle story is not cannon, as long as it can possibly be squeezed in (I kinda liked its story).
Sonic Battle's stats are really the only place where Sonic and Shadow's stats have ever been compare (to my knowledge at least, I haven't played Riders or Rivals and have little intention to do so.) and I don't recall there being any statement that claimed Shadow couldn't be faster than Sonic in Heroes or SA2, and if the Shadow game or Sonic 2k6 say otherwise then that would be a retcon or just shows lack of consistency (which is more likely).
Besides, who says Battle and Riders aren't big games, yeah they're essentially spin offs, but Battle has some of the best story telling in the series so far and Riders contains all the production values of Heroes with it's story...compares to Pinball Party and Shuffle I'd say they're big games.
For stats from Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Heroes, check SA2 Battle's (GC version) and Heroes' 2 player modes (in SA2B, Sonic and Shadow both have 5 stars, it also says Shadow's "speed and attacks are identical to Sonic's"; in SH, Team Sonic and Team Dark share 3 stars). The stars prove they are essentially clones of each other. Also games like Battle do not make as much money and do not receive as much promotion (count how many times you saw comercials for Battle compared to a 'bigger' game), so why would they put as many rescources into it as Sonic Heroes or Sonic 06? Also manuals often call Sonic "the fastest thing alive" or "fastest hedgehog" or something along those lines, while Shadow's game said Sonic is "second to none". If Shadow were faster, these would all be incorrect (if they were equal it would still be technically true, he would just be sharing the title of fastest).
- i just noticed in that previous postt that what I said about Shadow's game manual seemed like I was saying it says Sonic is faster, what I really meant to say was it says either Sonic is faster or they are equal
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For stats from Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Heroes, check SA2 Battle's (GC version) and Heroes' 2 player modes (in SA2B, Sonic and Shadow both have 5 stars, it also says Shadow's "speed and attacks are identical to Sonic's"; in SH, Team Sonic and Team Dark share 3 stars). The stars prove they are essentially clones of each other.
Ah, forgot about the multiplayer, however, in both Sonic Adventure 2 and Heroes they are clones of each other, just different skins and animations, and any form of multiplayer was tacked on afterwards to give players something more to do (half assed or otherwise) and isn't a good indication of how one could be deemed better than the other. Any game where competition is the main theme will put more effort into finding a way to make two clones more unique and interesting to play as, the best example of any game is Street Fighter, Ken and Ryu.
In Street Fighter and the original edition of Street Fighter 2, Ryu and Ken were carban copies, offering no difference in speed, power, stanima, technique...etc, after which Capcom decided they needed to add some diversity, not only to make them more interesting but also to give players a reason to choose Ken over Ryu, or visa versa, and from Street Fighter 2 Turbo and onwards Ken has had a subtle speed increase and Ryu strength, as well as more unique moves for each.
I see games like Sonic Battle the way of seeing how the companies truly view how their twin characters can be a little less identical, what areas they exceed in and such.
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Also games like Battle do not make as much money and do not receive as much promotion (count how many times you saw comercials for Battle compared to a 'bigger' game), so why would they put as many rescources into it as Sonic Heroes or Sonic 06?
As I said before, Riders seemed to have equal production values to Heroes from what I saw (trailers, cut scenes, graphics, soundtrack, FMV) and Shadow and StH2k6 weren't much more spectacular either. Battle was a Game Boy Advance title, and I rarely saw adverts for anything on a Nintendo system back then. Is Zelda: Minish Cap any less of a game than Wind Waker? Or Oracles of Ages and Seasons? Metroid Fusion any less than Prime?
Just because it's a smaller system, and thusly doesn't require as much money to produce, doesn't make it any less important to a franchise. It's when Mario Party gets to it's 8th home console title without any true improvement since the first title that it becomes unimprtant (well, it became unimportant after the third...but there you go.)
While on the subject of promotion and etc. On average there's a better chance of people owning a PS2[or Xbox or Gamecube] versus a Nintendo DS. Therefore advertise for the game that will most likely be more readily available to consumers. Sega NEEDS money so they definetly would do that. XP And this speed debate always catches my interest, but I can't really say anything because we all know there are tons of missing pieces and a plethora of inconsistent information floating around out there. I'd say the speed of most characters below Knuckles[in speed] is pretty obvious on just a general level anyway. *shrugs*
