The last few years there have been a number of people writing articles and message board posts about what it would take to make Sonic "Good" again -- or at least better than the state of things right now. However, in this topic, we're going to strive to make the Sonic series even worse! While making bad games is not considered an art I would like various suggestions in this thread to be as artfully bad as possible. No "Give Shadow a gun....lol wut?" answers. It'll be fun.
Some ideas I have on how to make the Sonic series worse:
* Blood and Gore. The Sonic franchise has been trying to prove how mature it is lately with the release of Sonic2k6 and Shadow the Hedgehog so it's only natural to kick realism up another notch and include blood. Everytime Sonic runs into a badnik and loses his rings there will also be a big gush of blood coming out of him. We're talking gallons of blood squirting how, regardless of how unrealistic that is. In this idea we'd also update animations or when Sonic lands on spikes, or gets squished, or gets zapped, etc.
* Even Worse Character Continuity. In the next hypothetical game it would be as if Sonic is meeting all of the characters for the first time again. However, as the game would go on, the characters would start refrencing past Sega Adventures despite it trying to be a new retcon where those games never happened. However, as the plot would go on they would forget those events agin until you get to the point where you aren't really sure what's happened. As a bonus, Knuckles would have a different occupation in every level. (Island Guardian, Trasure Hunter, Surfer Champion, Construction Worker, etc.)
*Stealth. Everyone's doing it these days, so why should Sonic be any expection? Most of the robots Sonic would meet up with would be far too powerful for him to actually battle so Sonic would have to slink around stealthfully. He would have to walk very slowly and hide behind crates and barrels. There would still be a few corridors where Sonic would have to speed through to get past all of the robots he can't destroy but for the most part the concept of speed would be dropped all together.
*Sonic is Evil. Remember when Sonic had a bad attitude? Well, he's sort of mellowed out over the years. There for awhile Shadow seemed to fill that void of bad attitudeness...but why have a secondary character be the cool one? In this scenario Sonic would be relaunched as a rogue-like theive plundering and terrorizing Station Square. Robotnik would still be the main enemy but would be fighting for the law -- he would be the one behind Peace-Keeping Robots and robot Police officers. Besides those, though, Sonic would have plenty of human civilians to homing attack onto. The main objective is to get Station Square into a state of martial law and then take power. (Vehicles to hijack? Sure!)
That's all I can think of at the moment.
Or better yet, have the characters reference events from games they were never in.
Silver: "Remember when we destroyed the Death Egg?"
Cream: "CHAOTIX WAS FUN"
Trying to fill plot holes.
Given that Sonic Battle, which at the time was the only decent Sonic game going, is rendered out of canon due to some insanity... like... I dunno. Shadow having his entire memory yet it being all before Shadow and Gerald being an unquestionably nice guy in both (not to mention how the hell did Gerald put a video of his OWN DEATH onto the Ark)... the series has alot to answer for.
Please, Sega... don't try to answer. Shadow the Hedgehog proved that you just make things worse.
Sonic Team looking at...certain types of fanart out there in the grimey depths of the internet. And thinking it's a good idea. The game would be called Sonic: Yaoi Warriors.
Other things that would make it worse would be, as much as this dosn't seem like a suggestion from me, taking all the characters away from their stylised designs and making them a realistic anthro 
Or giving Sonic clothes XD Dude just wouldn't look right.
Sonic the Hedgehog: The Dating sim.
All of those fantastic shipping ideas and relationships between characters are fully represented here! It's the game that'd keep on giving and EVERY pairing is well represented. Charmy and Vanilla? Hell yes. Sonic and Eggman? HELL YES. Watch as your relationship with the characters grow and grow... until it reaches the second generation! Yes, the option to have kids is available!
And for all you Sonadow fans, there's a special treat instore ^_^
Alternatively:
Make a game based on the Archie series.
Giving Shadow a gun as he tries to find out the truth about his past by a race of aliens.
What? Someone was gonna say it eventually. lol
I'm just going to add a few of the things Sonic Team seems to do, to worsen the Sonic series, because they just friggen work!
- More pitfalls. [*]A camera that doesn't even want to look at you. [*]More cute characters that will rarely have anything to do with, well, anything. [*]Scrap the current voice actors, and bring in an even worse set of voices.
- More cheesy lines for Sonic [*]Kill Eggman. He's never a true villain, so why have him? [*]Redesign all the characters, again, and make them more humanoid and stylish than ever. Give all the guy characters pants, and cool sunglasses. [*]Make Charmy the Bee the main character, with his current voice actor. [*]Destroy Floating Island. Knuckles never goes there anyways. [*]Stop testing Sonic games for quality control, and release them once they're done, bugs or no bugs.
- Discontinue Sonic games that play like the Genesis Classics, or like Sonic Adventure, and just release spinoffs for now on, such as more racing games.
- Make the main characters high five each other and say, "Yeah, Sonic Heroes forever!" after each mission. [/list:u:940e48e803]
Dynasty Warriors: Sonic. (How the hell do those games sell?)
Having Tails speak like the internet. (EG: Pwned, Hax... and so on)
Having a button code to change the colour of Amy's underwear.
I'll think of more.
LOL, some of these suggestions actually sound good to me. Am I going insane?
Anyway, I've got something that would make them worse. Revert them to 2D style so... *shot for not liking 2D Sonic*
Have Sonic unnecessarily swear every five seconds.
More EliseXSonic!!
Guns! More guns!
And for all you Sonadow fans, there's a special treat instore ^_^
NO.
The Sonic franchise has been trying to prove how mature it is lately
Sonic Schoolhouse - Adult edition
"Sega presents your favourite way past cool hedgehog, in a way you've never seen him before! Watch Sonic as he demonstrates the dangers of STDs..." *shot*
Loop-de-loops with enemies coming from off the fixed-angle camera randomly. The fixed angle makes it impossible to know where they are until they hit you. Also, with the power of Clipping Control, you fall through the loop every other attempt, if the baddies don't get you first. Now that's quality gaming right there.
Also, Flash games where Sonic runs way too damn fast, even though he's not even running.
Sonic Schoolhouse - Adult edition
"Sega presents your favourite way past cool hedgehog, in a way you've never seen him before! Watch Sonic as he demonstrates the dangers of STDs..." *shot*
Yes. Sega-Transmitted Delusions.
Re-release Sonic 1 on every electronic device known to man, messing each one up like they did with the GBA remake.
Sega are going to make Sonic 1 playable on my microwave next, I'm sure of it.
- Destroy Floating Island. Knuckles never goes there anyways. [/list:u:e11a59a10b]
This was actually an idea that's been rolling around in my head for awhile, too.
Watch this video and think of the bleeps.
Imagine if all Sonic dialogs had those words instead of the bleeps?
That would make the series worse (but great fun afterwards! ** shot **)
Make another Shadow game.
Or maybe another game like Sonic Riders.
'Sonic is the fastest thing alive,
but running must be boring the poor hedgehog,
so surely he'll need to ride on something much, much slower.
But at least he's hip! Look at those goggles!'
To be honest, I would turn Omega into a self censoring robot. Every third word would be a different Sonic sound effect.
Make another Shadow game.
Or maybe another game like Sonic Riders.'Sonic is the fastest thing alive,
but running must be boring the poor hedgehog,
so surely he'll need to ride on something much, much slower.
But at least he's hip! Look at those goggles!'
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*Give Cream her own game to appeal to the young female audience (Something like Super Princess Peach) But it uses her 4kids voice actor in every 4 minute cutscene.
(A game starring Amy would probably be just as mindlessly bad but at least her voice doesn't make me want to commit japanese ritual suicide)
*Tikal comes back but instead of just giving obscure hints to the player, she turns into your Navi. And screams "HEY" "HEY" "HEY" every thirty seconds.
*Tikal comes back and has a romantic relationship with Knuckles to bring back the Echidna race.
*Eggman realises that he's the worst villian ever concieved and decides to use his powers for good.
*Chris Thorndyke is introduced into the video games.
*Sonic Team ret-cons the idea that Silver is actually Sonic's great great great grandson.
*Sonic does a crossover with another video game animal like Ty the Tasmanian Tiger or Crash Bandicoot.
*Sonic Team once again reboots the entire Sonic video game continuity making all our years of suffering a waste of time because they wouldn't do any better the second or third time around.
Sonic The Hedgehog: The Movie -> Sonic The Hedgehog: The Game Based On The Movie
Notice nowhere did I use the terms "animated" or "3D".
*eye twitch* Live action?
*The next game will involve an incident turning all the characters into hedgehogs, and in the end they will decide they like it better that way. Every game from then on will be labeled as Sonic the Hedgehog... and the Hedgehogs...
*eye twitch* Live action?
Oh no you didn't. *fingersnap*
Just thinking about this creates concepts that horrify my mind into a kind of horror that, well, not the most hoffiying thing, or the worst thing, but some sort of emotion that is completely off the map of emotions described in any language.
Mostly because many of the things that come to mind are just too disturbingly possible, or have even been suggested by internet idiots in zeal.
- Sally becomes a main character.
- A romance plot between Sonic and Sally.
- A love triangle between Sonic, Sally, and Amy.
- A love polygon between Sonic, Sally, Amy, and Elise.
- Any of the above involving kissing
- Any of the above involving art direction that attempts to make Sally "hot" (AHEM Archie)
- Any of the above involving a view into the future in which they've had babies, and they are clones of the parents (good lord, is there any person in the world who is a bigger epic failure than Ken Penders?)
- Any of the above involving a view into the future in which they've had babies, and one is Silver
- Letting Miko or any of her sisters have any kind of input on the game
- Sonic The Hedgehog: The Game Based On The Live Action Movie WITH THE ACTORS IN THE GAME
- Uwe Boll seeks out another franchise to license
- Base the gameplay of the series on SATSR (terrified at this possibility)
- Silver becomes the new Shadow, annoyingly overused, a constant plot hole generator, and completely pointless (terrified at this possibility)
- The primary enemies are not robots but those lameass shade things of Bioware
- Sonic is reconceptualized to be the fad of a new generation, picking up every up to date word and meme and using it in every sentence, and sounding like ssome kind of afterschool special that's trying to be hip
- Building a Sonic game on real world physics
- Chaos Control being the ultimate plot device used in every damn situation (AHEM SNext)
- The entire gameplay revolving around the use of Chaos Control
- Tails gets a super form in the 3D games. Finally! But it's not the S3&K form, but TITAN TAILS!
- Playable Elise
- Games based on the Archie, SatAM, AoStH, or worst, SONIC UNDERGROUND universes
- Sonic with a human form [/list:u:3370953cdd]
Isn't Spinball based on the Archie Universe? And Mean Bean Machine on AoStH? They were hardly the worst games of the series.
Also, isn't Chaos Control kinda manipulating time? Admittedly Chaos Control was terrible in Shadow the Hedgehog. But fiddling around with time powers isn't a bad idea.
Building a Sonic game on real world physics.
The idea is not bad as it'll prevent other issues found in other Sonic games. I also agree with John.
Games based on the Archie, SatAM, AoStH, or worst, SONIC UNDERGROUND universes
If I recall, there was going to be a SatAM based game for the Genesis. It didn't look too bad, either.
I think that one was covered by Magical Dreamer with his stealth suggestion.
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*Give Cream her own game to appeal to the young female audience (Something like Super Princess Peach) But it uses her 4kids voice actor in every 4 minute cutscene. GAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!! NEVER SAY THAT AGAIN!!
(A game starring Amy would probably be just as mindlessly bad but at least her voice doesn't make me want to commit japanese ritual suicide)*Tikal comes back but instead of just giving obscure hints to the player, she turns into your Navi. And screams "HEY" "HEY" "HEY" every thirty seconds. It'd only be okay if she followed it with "It's Faaaaaat Albert!"
*Tikal comes back and has a romantic relationship with Knuckles to bring back the Echidna race. Actually that wouldn't be so bad. I actually had and idea for the series using that type of storyline that would split the amount of characters in half. I'll explain after.
*Eggman realises that he's the worst villian ever concieved and decides to use his powers for good. If it means "El Gran Gordo" I'm up for it.
*Chris Thorndyke is introduced into the video games. AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! STOP DOING THAT!!
*Sonic Team ret-cons the idea that Silver is actually Sonic's great great great grandson. I care so little about Silver, that I really couldn't care less what they did with him. They already screwed up Blaze's origin.
*Sonic does a crossover with another video game animal like Ty the Tasmanian Tiger or Crash Bandicoot. Crash yes, Ty no.
*Sonic Team once again reboots the entire Sonic video game continuity making all our years of suffering a waste of time because they wouldn't do any better the second or third time around. "The future Conan?" Sadly, I can easily see them doing that.
Okay, here's my idea. (Good, not bad.)
There are too many dang characters in the Sonic series. So? Split the group in half. My idea Knuckles the Echidna: The game.
In the far past, Tikal finds a well that shows her her future. She sees the event that causes the Echidna's slow decent to extinction, and now knows how to stop it. Sadly, she also sees that she dies alone caring for the Chaos. She now realizes she needs to do 2 things;
Get Knuckles to help her stop the event that will cause the Echidna's extinction, and find a new Chao raiser.
When she goes into the present, she contacts Knuckles telling him she wants to help repopulate the echidna species. Knuckles gets the wrong idea at first, but she sets him straight, and they eventually start becoming romantically involved. (Since she dies alone, she knows she's not related to him.) She also find the perfect replacement for a Chao raiser. Cream the Rabbit. Her unique rappaport with Cheese makes her realize that Cream can share a psychic bond to Chaos that makes her more powerful than Tikal at raising Chao.
So, she decides to take Cream and Knux to the past. Not without Vanilla of course, and since Vanilla and Knux are going, Vector and the Chaotix go with them. Along with Big when he finds out the Echidna temple has a great fishing spot. The series then stays in the past. With Sonic having Tails, Amy, Blaze, Rouge, Shadow and Marine in his series.
Ergo the cast is officially sliced in half. Whaddya think? Good or bad?
That'd probably make it easier for the "developers" (nothing really develops other than glitches, lol) to work with all thoes damn characters. The team could split into Sonic Team and Knuckles Team. XD
Well, with Knuckles they wouldn't have to make the game all about speed like Sonic. They could make it a platformer/Brawler with some puzzle elements thrown in.
Oh, I thought of something else today --
Survival: In order to give the Sonic series a greater sense of realisim they could incorporate survival skills into the Sonic games. Like when Sonic's exploring a new level he has a compas with him he can look at, the trees in the level have moss on that one side, and if it's night time in the zone you can find the North Star. Then Sonic would also have to eat and you'd have like a health bar and a water-bar; he needs to stay hydrated. When you're in the watery or beach zones you can purify water to drink and there's berries and stuff growing all around. No hunting, though. That would be weird. Also, if night time comes, you have to make some sort of dwelling place for Sonic to sleep so that the Robot Wolves of the night don't get him.
- Building a Sonic game on real world physics
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Even if the characters split in half. Sonic Team would have to learn how to make a proper platform game or brawler game. Plus I don't think Sonic Team would bother with a Knuckles team. They probably assume he isn't popular enough to star in his own series of games.
And actually I like the idea of a compass. That means there is a buttload of ground for you to explore and I certainly wouldn't mind that. The other surivival stuff is just silly though.
Eastopolis Zone, filled with cockneys.
Sonic Golf.
o.o;
waaaaaaaa? oO;;;
Sonic Syncronised Swimming, then. o.o
Gonna go out a on a limb and say... Sonic Baking Sim. Go too fast and it all goes flat, and would feature the drunken walrus swaying to the left/right when trying to just move forward. It'd be epic on the Wii! XD
Dr Eggman's Brain Training.
I would buy that though.
Dr Eggman's Brain Training.
I would buy that though.
I would too. He could talk about math with little stickfigure Sonics being smacked about, or something. XD
Have Eggman give Sonic a good thrashing, then for unknown reasons have Sonic transform into a werewolf by night!
...
... NO SEGA... DON'T! ;_;
sonic is a really ugly were wolf. If anything he's like....a werehog. Definately not a werewolf WOLF .
O_o so....whats the point of Sonic just standing there @ Golf vid. Golf is a spectators sport. I don't think he's the kind of guy interested in the intense concentration and slowness of golf.
Agreed. It would be a cool little touch if, after driving the ball a long way, he zipped onto the screen shortly after the ball hit the ground, and he called out a little comment on how far it went/how well you did. You know, because the human player character would still be back at the start of the course. Well, I'd like it.
As for an idea for the thread's main topic; Sonic Monsters Unleashed. I mentioned this in another topic - we have so many giant monsters in the series now that they could do this kind of "Sonic: Destroy All Monsters Melee" type thing. Perfect Chaos vs Alf Layla wa-Layla! Metal Overlord vs BioLizard (who merges with the ARK for his FinalHazard special attack)! Ifrit vs Super Egg Robo! Iblis vs that new thing in Unleashed!
Also, that Eggman RTS (I believe it has here on Sonic HQ we discussed what this would be like). Playable factions include Eggman Empire, GUN, Black Arms and... the Dark Brotherhood? Their elite infantry units would be Metal Sonic, Rouge, Black Assassin and Shade(?) repectively. Also, every team would have their own version of Shadow (android Shadow, Doom spawn Shadow, special agent Shadow, etc). The usual Sonic cutscene fare with the added camp of C&C style FMV!
*Give Cream her own game to appeal to the young female audience (Something like Super Princess Peach) But it uses her 4kids voice actor in every 4 minute cutscene. GAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!! NEVER SAY THAT AGAIN!!
(A game starring Amy would probably be just as mindlessly bad but at least her voice doesn't make me want to commit japanese ritual suicide)*Tikal comes back but instead of just giving obscure hints to the player, she turns into your Navi. And screams "HEY" "HEY" "HEY" every thirty seconds. It'd only be okay if she followed it with "It's Faaaaaat Albert!"
*Tikal comes back and has a romantic relationship with Knuckles to bring back the Echidna race. Actually that wouldn't be so bad. I actually had and idea for the series using that type of storyline that would split the amount of characters in half. I'll explain after.
*Eggman realises that he's the worst villian ever concieved and decides to use his powers for good. If it means "El Gran Gordo" I'm up for it.
*Chris Thorndyke is introduced into the video games. AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! STOP DOING THAT!!
*Sonic Team ret-cons the idea that Silver is actually Sonic's great great great grandson. I care so little about Silver, that I really couldn't care less what they did with him. They already screwed up Blaze's origin.
*Sonic does a crossover with another video game animal like Ty the Tasmanian Tiger or Crash Bandicoot. Crash yes, Ty no.
*Sonic Team once again reboots the entire Sonic video game continuity making all our years of suffering a waste of time because they wouldn't do any better the second or third time around. "The future Conan?" Sadly, I can easily see them doing that.
Okay, here's my idea. (Good, not bad.)
There are too many dang characters in the Sonic series. So? Split the group in half. My idea Knuckles the Echidna: The game.
In the far past, Tikal finds a well that shows her her future. She sees the event that causes the Echidna's slow decent to extinction, and now knows how to stop it. Sadly, she also sees that she dies alone caring for the Chaos. She now realizes she needs to do 2 things;
Get Knuckles to help her stop the event that will cause the Echidna's extinction, and find a new Chao raiser.
When she goes into the present, she contacts Knuckles telling him she wants to help repopulate the echidna species. Knuckles gets the wrong idea at first, but she sets him straight, and they eventually start becoming romantically involved. (Since she dies alone, she knows she's not related to him.) She also find the perfect replacement for a Chao raiser. Cream the Rabbit. Her unique rappaport with Cheese makes her realize that Cream can share a psychic bond to Chaos that makes her more powerful than Tikal at raising Chao.
So, she decides to take Cream and Knux to the past. Not without Vanilla of course, and since Vanilla and Knux are going, Vector and the Chaotix go with them. Along with Big when he finds out the Echidna temple has a great fishing spot. The series then stays in the past. With Sonic having Tails, Amy, Blaze, Rouge, Shadow and Marine in his series.
Ergo the cast is officially sliced in half. Whaddya think? Good or bad?
You are aware that Chaos was the one who destroyed the echidna race [minus Knuckles, somehow]?
Thus her and Knuckles would have to destroy Chaos before her father invades the shrine, thus making SA1 never happen [and in turn making it so that Sonic and co never meet Tikal!]
So yea... Time paradoxes aside, I like the idea, minus Cream appearing in it. At all... *shoots pointless character*
But otherwise yea I'd like something like this, leading into Knuckles' own fighting / platform GoW like game set in the ancient past / present day or w/e, as he discovers the secrets and culture of his race.
Knuckles x Tikal ftw I say, heh heh 
Give Sonic an Ocarina and Bow. He's got the sword already, why not go ahead and make him a hedgehog Link? Oh, and Omochao MUST be Navi.
