Hm, whilst their true on account of Sonic needing a redesign,
I gotta disagree on their main reason.
To peeps who don't play the game very often, Shadow and Sonic look the same-
But to me, they appear very different...
Kinda like if Vegeta got his own video game (O_o that would rock), and peeps would complain that he's just a darker Goku with better hair.)
They obviously don' like Shadow, tho' =P
And they're a bit outdated with it. ShtH is like a year old =p
This list is awful. Not because Sonic is number one, but because Castlevania is ranked higher than Mana and Star Fox.
That list is bollocks; Sonic is the only thing there that deserves it's spot. Does a single recent off-sight game really give Bomberman the right to be second?
What the heck was wrong with Double Dash? It was a freakin' riot in multiplayer, and it least it shook up the same old MK formula which MK DS then went back to.
On a more SI related note, I hope stuff like this actually causes SEGA to take notice of what they're actually doing to the Sonic franchise. Sonic 06 was supposed to be a re-design for the series, but it's just left the series in a worse shape than ever. How much more re-designs do there have to be?
I gotta agree with the whole "Castlevania higher than Star Fox" stuff.
Attacking Dawn of Sorrow was a bad idea, especially with Portrait of Ruin now out which marries the two styles and creates the perfect "successor" to SotN, with a whip!
Starfox is bang on, but with Command now out, it's redundant. Starfox Command is back to the basics with new innovation and gives a badass experience, especially on the boss levels which emulate the oldskool 2.5d games.
They admit Mario Kart DS is possibly the best, even if that damn shell is still in there.
We all know that Sonic Rush is the only decent Sonic game since the SA games.
Castlevania on the DS is amazing. Starfox on the DS delivers what is asked...
My theory? DS games have the power to bring glory back to the colonies!
I love how they only complain about SHtH yet ignore the rest. And Sonic Riders wasn't lame. 
Agreed at Sonic Riders. It's alright. Also at the complete WTFness on their whole choices.
But on putting Sonic in seemingly because of Shadow the Hedgehog is strange. I think its because they haven't reviewed Sonic 2006 yet really.
I'm not silly enough to fall in the Sonic Zealot trap though. As far as I see it Sega has a few options.
1) Give them more time to develop the bloody thing.
Well they should have delayed Sonic 2006. Erratic Controls, Camera Problems, Collision Detection Issues and Constant Loading would normally require fine tuning. Unless its a Sonic game... Where its not our fault its YOUR FAULT.
2) Different developers
It wouldn't even need to be out of Sega's hands.(Like Backbone/Dimps) The guys behind Monkey Ball (Amusement Vision), Jet Set Radio (Smilebit) and AM2 would make a bloody good Sonic game. And if its a case of "borrowing expertise" Insomniac would be a good place to start, Maybe even the Sly Raccoon guys.
3) Sonic Four
Seriously. 2.5D graphics, You could use the 101 Sonics that's been created over the Adventure > Sonic 2006 period, give them all a unique twist and bam! Second coming of Jesus.
Yeah they talk about Shadow, but at the same time it is a Sonic game non the less. Had they not ignored the rest, the rant would have been 10 paragraphs longer.
Does anyone know how well Sonic the Hedgehog sold so far? Its going to take low sales numbers for Sonic Team to finaly wake up and produce something of good quality. But for some reason, Sonic just keeps selling and selling, and many fans just eat it up.
Its sales numbers are lower than ever, IIRC.
Still somewhat decent, perhaps, but nowhere near, say, Shadow.
Actually, I disagree. Shadow was a great game, my favorite part being the music, but the gunplay and Black Arms being great too. And Sonic Riders? I was never all that exited about it, and hated the game trial I played at Gamestop (which was only 'cause I stunk at it), and Fang and Metal Sonic would have made exelent editions. But, once I got the game, played it, and got much better at it, I must say that it's a very decent game, and a great party game. And as for Sonic The Hedgehog 2006? what I've seen of the gameplay, the graphics, and the storyline, It looks AWESOME! And as for the other games, like Sonic Rush? Well, let's just say that I'm not too fond of 2-D sonic. As for coiming games? Rivals looks really, really good, what with Metal Sonic, but unfortunatley I won't be getting it due to the fact that PSPs are $250, and that's really the only game I want for the PSP. And "Sonic and the Secret rings"? Bleah... With a name like that? And that's my rant.
Well, let's just say that I'm not too fond of 2-D sonic.
lmao @ Ultra Devil Chao's opinions being completely against the norm. It's usually the general consensus that Shadow was crap, had rubbish music, Sonic Riders was merely average, StH2006 is an absolute letdown and dissapointment, Rivals is most likely going to be a flop, and that of any Sonic games the main decent ones ARE the 2D ones and Sonic Rush has been the best itteration so far. :O
I realise it's just your opinion but to see one whose opinion on so many of the games being so far opposed to what practically everyone thinks is... wow. :O
lol when i first read the topic name i almost laughed out loud. *starts to read*
Oh and its kind of sad when the best part of a video game is the MUSIC. The only game that can get away with that is DDR and Guitar Hero.
But on the plus side things might start to look sunnier with Secret Rings.
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Oh and its kind of sad when the best part of a video game is the MUSIC. The only game that can get away with that is DDR and Guitar Hero.
And Streets of Rage 2.
What sucks is that SEGA DID do a redesign after Shadow the Hedgehog and it was much worse (actually from what I hear I'd probably like Shadow's gameplay).
I agree with some of what they're saying, but a lot of it is pointless whining. MK:DD is huge fun and whining about having 2 characters on the cart is the silliest thing in the article. Mega Man Battle Network was a good concept that's just been a massive cash in since, but who cares? Does Capcom making money mean there was something wrong with it in the first place? They complain about Cyber-Elves in Zero, but those have been in the series since the first game. However, on paying money to get a classic game I agree with.
The main reason Capcom continues with the Rockman EXE rpgs is that it is the only Rockman/Megaman series that actually prints money for Capcom.
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They admit Mario Kart DS is possibly the best, even if that damn shell is still in there.
We all know that Sonic Rush is the only decent Sonic game since the SA games.
Castlevania on the DS is amazing. Starfox on the DS delivers what is asked...
My theory? DS games have the power to bring glory back to the colonies!
Children of Mana invalidates your theory.
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Its sales numbers are lower than ever, IIRC.
Still somewhat decent, perhaps, but nowhere near, say, Shadow.
I'm willing to bet it sold well below decently. And it deserves it.
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Actually, I disagree. Shadow was a great game, my favorite part being the music, but the gunplay and Black Arms being great too. And Sonic Riders? I was never all that exited about it, and hated the game trial I played at Gamestop (which was only 'cause I stunk at it), and Fang and Metal Sonic would have made exelent editions. But, once I got the game, played it, and got much better at it, I must say that it's a very decent game, and a great party game. And as for Sonic The Hedgehog 2006? what I've seen of the gameplay, the graphics, and the storyline, It looks AWESOME! And as for the other games, like Sonic Rush? Well, let's just say that I'm not too fond of 2-D sonic. As for coiming games? Rivals looks really, really good, what with Metal Sonic, but unfortunatley I won't be getting it due to the fact that PSPs are $250, and that's really the only game I want for the PSP. And "Sonic and the Secret rings"? Bleah... With a name like that? And that's my rant.
Tsk tsk, now is not the time to make any joke posts.
i'm more surprised about gauntlet getting up there but sonic was a big surprise also.
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I'm willing to bet it sold well below decently. And it deserves it.
We can hope, because that is what will make SEGA act: cash. Does anybody have any idea what the sales numbers and ranks are?
Well, we know it moved less than 200,000 units on Novemeber's NPD seeing that it didn't make the top 20 sales there and it wasn't on Xbox 360 top 10 either.
Also it did not chart the top 40 in the UK charts though Sonic Rush did. Yay!
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i'm more surprised about gauntlet getting up there but sonic was a big surprise also.
It's only a surprise if you never ventured beyond the Sonic community.
There is a lot of people out there who used to love Sonic, despise of what this franchise has become.
i just thought more people loved mario than sonic
What the hell is mario kart doing on there?
Ashide, has anyone told you that you've got the ego of billionaire? =P
Ultra, that's really awesome that you don't let the majority rule decide for you-
Though...I too wasn't too hot with Shadow's games-
Not because of the gameplay, but the cutscenes were a tad...off =P
But I'm totally a Riders fan. Lotsa people hate it cuz it's hard to learn- but once you do, it's quite addictive xD!
I'm easy to amuse, and that's a good quality to have ^_^.
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i just thought more people loved mario than sonic
You don't need to be a fan of Mario to see how far Sonic has fallen.
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What the hell is mario kart doing on there?
IGN lists usually sucks and are likely to start some controversy. Example: There recent "Top 20 Franchise" list fails to include the highly successful Gran Tourismo series,which is the third or fourth most popular franchise worldwide, but they include Chrono which isn't as nearly as successful or influential and only spans 2 games.
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Ashide, has anyone told you that you've got the ego of billionaire? =P
I don't really see the connection of having a billionare's ego and rooting for good games to be successful and shoddy ones to fail.
Actually, aside from Castlevania, Donkey Kong and Mario Kart, I pretty much agree with that list.
Capcom need to concentrate on the REAL Megaman series, get some closure in on the Classic and X series before working the storyline into the Legends series, and give EXE a rest for a while.
And anyone who isn't a big Sonic fan is going to think that Shadow the Hedgehog is a sign of Sonic Team going freakin' insane.
Hmm, I have to agree with most of the stuff on that list.
Secret Of Mana - Redo plz, SoM3 style.
Donkey Kong - I miss the good ol' days of roaming the countries with the Kongs.
Mega Man - Focus on X storyline and after plz
Star Fox - I cant' say too much about this game because I haven't played it, but it still looks real kiddy on the DS, wheras Star Fox 64 and SF: Assault, they just seemed so much more... better.
Bomberman -lolz, I still have Bomberman 3 on the SNES. nN - great game. Too bad I can't say the same for this new piece of crap.
Sonic - R.I.P. Though, with the "reset" in STH06, things should be looking up for you, buddy.
Au contraire, since there WASN'T a reset with 2K6. It's the same old crap it ever was.
Am I the only one who can't grasp why Castlevania is there at all?
Unless, of course, they're talking about the 3D Castlevanias, which makes about as much sense as saying the Zelda series sucks because of the CD-i games.
Well Sonic runs on a rail system in Secret of the Rings, right? Thats seems like a new approach to Sonic that might work. Only problem is now that the exploration people will definately whine about not being able to stop and smell the roses.
People will probably criticize because it's different.
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Capcom need to concentrate on the REAL Megaman series, get some closure in on the Classic and X series before working the storyline into the Legends series, and give EXE a rest for a while.
You might as well tell Capcom to stop making Megaman games period, because EXE is the only Megaman series that is financially successful nowadays--especially in Japan. All the other series are relative bombs.
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Am I the only one who can't grasp why Castlevania is there at all?
Unless, of course, they're talking about the 3D Castlevanias, which makes about as much sense as saying the Zelda series sucks because of the CD-i games.
Only difference is Nintendo denies the existance of the CDi games and had hardly any involvement with them while the 3D Castlevania games...well...
I wouldn't be surprised if Iga made yet another attempt at a 3D Castlevania for the next-gen systems.
Also, there are compliants from other Castlevania fans who are tired of the RPGish-"metroidvainia" structure of the recent games and would like a return to their platforming roots(and not as an endgame bonus). I'm more of Metroivania fan, but I can understand their complaints and at times I do think the current formula needs a bit spicing up.
I was a Castlevania fan before Sonic came along and after my Sonic fandom shriveled up again, I moved back over to CV and I agree with CV being on the list and even go as far as to say that it should have been higher.
They are my two favorite franchises and they seem to be along the exact same path. Great games in the past and the handheld versions are better than the 3D console ones in general.
Sonic needs to be outsourced more, and send the Sonic Team guys to 3D game making school...
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You might as well tell Capcom to stop making Megaman games period, because EXE is the only Megaman series that is financially successful nowadays--especially in Japan. All the other series are relative bombs.
Well, they've pretty much given up on the Original series, so I don't see too much of a loss if they stopped Megaman now.
The EXE series makes a mockery of the whole thing, the games are fun and all, but the franchise in general is basically stabbing X, Zero and co in the back just so that Capcom can be filthy rich...
As far as I can understand, EXE games are an alternate universe of the classic series anyway (sort of a 'what if...?') so I can hardly see what bearing it has on the other subseries.
What about that new ZX series?
The EXE games would make perfect sense as a prequel to Mega Man classic if Wily didn't look old in them (Navis being a much easier tech to get to than battle robot, young versions of Dr. Light and Dr. Cossack). Every other spinoff is in the same universe, but a different era.
What should Sega do? They need to get their acts together and develop a cohesive game devoid of camera problems, pitfalls, and glitches. With those problems out dealt with, I feel other complaints, such as the overly extensive character cast and convoluted stories, will diminish substantially.
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What about that new ZX series?
The ZX series was more financially successful than those PSP Megaman games, but that ain't say much.
Maybe being different will help.
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Well, let's just say that I'm not too fond of 2-D sonic.
Is it because you can't see what's on the other side?
Yeah, the 2D Sonics' camera is crap. >=C
Thats like saying 3D Sonic's camera is the best ever. But yes. If only ONE thing in Sonic could be redesigned it has to be the evil camera.
And I heard that in Sonic 2K6 the boarding portions are terrible because the physics are so messed up. A friend told me that if you went even slightly in the wrong direction you would loose momentum or just stop completely. Which is an incredible step backwards. The snowboarding/Sandboarding in Sonic Adventure was better! They should have just ripped whatever they used in SA and slapped it onto their new game but with a graphics upgrade.
Could Sonic's downfall be from SEGA's downfall? Wasn't the only reason the earlier Sonics were so good was mainly because they HAD to be, in order to compete with Mario/Nintendo?
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What should Sega do? They need to get their acts together and develop a cohesive game devoid of camera problems, pitfalls, and glitches. With those problems out dealt with, I feel other complaints, such as the overly extensive character cast and convoluted stories, will diminish substantially.
Personally, I think SEGA needs to focus EXTENSIVELY more on testing -- one vital part of game development than can kill or help a game (StH06 would've been great if it was tested to the ground), and they also need to get better level designers ... because the current designs obviously aren't doing it. And by designs, I mean technical -- visually, some of them are quite well-done (Crisis City).
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They should have just ripped whatever they used in SA and slapped it onto their new game
You could say that about a lot of elements in that game.
Well, It's just annoying for some reason. And I do find 3D to be a lot more entertaining. But that might have to do with the fact that I started video games in the 3D gen on the N64, and I started with Sonic at SA2:B in 2002. And to finish that, I Like gunplay and characters with guns, thus liking Nack and Shadow, and Metal Sonic will make me like practicaly any 3D Sonic game. And my opinions always tend to be against the norm, for example, the Sonic Archie comics, in which everyone else thinks that the comic has become truly awesome, and I think it just spung a hole and sunk to the bottom. But enough of that example.
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And I do find 3D to be a lot more entertaining. But that might have to do with the fact that I started video games in the 3D gen on the N64, and I started with Sonic at SA2:B in 2002.
I am so, so sorry. =(
You have my condolences.
Now come on, SA2 was just fine. If they had started with Heroes or later, though, I'd share condolences.
Unless you meant starting with 3D, in which case, it can't be THAT hard to head a bit backwards and play something 2D, right?
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Unless you meant starting with 3D, in which case, it can't be THAT hard to head a bit backwards and play something 2D, right?
From what I'm understanding it is probably hard for he or she to do just that (in which I shake my head disappointedly). Of course, I've could be wrong.
The idea of starting off in the all 3D era is so alien to me I find it hard to even try to sympathize. I-I can't even wrap my brain around that..ZZZzzZZZT
I started off in the 3D era. My first real memories of games were 3D. I'm a late bloomer.
