Ok I will tell you this right know i'm not a fair weather fan. If you don't belive then go here.
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And whats wroung with fair weather sonic fans? At least you know that sonic still has some popularity today.

You have no idea what a fair weather fan means, do you? o.o

You're ranting about non-Sonic players in the Sonic game section of a Sonic board?

That means no one you're ranting against can stand up for themselves and this "topic" is more of a blog entry. What exactly was the point?

This poster in another forum, claims that the 3D games are 'too kiddy.' Now despite the fact that 2D games were way more cartoony with cutesy animals

The 2D games had a more universal appeal. There was no dialog, just Sonic (and Tails) doing his thing and looking SERIOUS BUSINESS doing it, despite the colorful settings and 'cute widdle aminals'.

The 3D games brought us "WE ALL DID IT TOGETHER", "THE REAL POWER OF TEAMWORK" and "BUT THE SPHINX LOOKED SO CUTE, I HAD TO SHAVE IT".

Don't forget "LOOK AT ALL THOSE EGGMAN'S ROBOTS!"

Also, the 3D games brought us glitches they'll never bother to fix and they get worse. Like randomly falling through solid objects, the dodgy-at-best camera systems, and speed speed speeeeeeeeeeeed as THE major selling point, which fails mostly due to the glitches.

Don't forget that nearly all of the classic Badniks were abandoned when Sonic moved to 3D.

Motora and company are so lonely!

The scripts of the new games are so totally cheese ball. An older person can play the old 2D games in a public area and be considered stylishly retro. Play the 3D games and people will wonder why he's playing a kid game.

If we're arguing this sheerly in tone and target audience, then an early 90's Sega was aiming at a very very young market (after ET Atari the adult market was all but dead in the eyes of marketing and would not be fully revived until the Playstation era), yet in this day it is clear they are aiming for the current mainstream, which is the oh so dreaded "casual gamer", which lead to T rated Shadow the Hedgehog and Final Fantasy styled epic Sonic 2006.

So from the designers point of view, as in who they are pushing the game towards, the market is older than it was.

Content wise and so forth? Debateable.

Target demographic wise, practically undeniable.

To tell you the truth, this whole, "Teh 2D games is mour betterer than teh 3D games!" thing annoys me. If you think that, fine. Just keep it to yourself instead of flaming everyone and everything around you. i like both of them. I've been playing the Sonic games since I was "little". I still like the newer ones. Do you see me complaining about the new games? I'm a big Sonic Adventure fan, and I'm also a big fan of the 2D games. Heroes, however... -_- ... Let's not go there. That one doesn't count unless it's the gamecube version.

I'll never understand this uber hatred of the casual gamer. Only Nintendo seems to acknowledge them. Hardcore Adults pretty much own Xbox and Playstation. I don't play every game that hits the shelves thats supposed to be the bees knees. In fact I never beat Halo. I don't have time to do this. I guess that makes me a dreaded casual gamer. But whatever.

How the hell did the casual gamer lead to Sonic 06 and Shadow the Hedgehog. Are you saying that CHILDREN are casual gamers??

Christ I guess that means video games will never belong to kids again ever.

I didn't edit myself before posting and used one word when I meant the other. I was referring to the hardcore gamers and wrote casual instead.

Also the "oh so dreaded" before hand was a reference to the hate of hardcore gamers who are "polluting the market" or whatever arguements are flying around on the Penny Arcade forums this week. Given that I'm not a gamer of any sort, I don't know or care, so strike the comment from the record.

PS: Please level your tone, the aggressive sarcasm stuff doesn't really fly when I am just pointing out that the target demographic has shifted.

To tell you the truth, this whole, "Teh 2D games is mour betterer than teh 3D games!" thing annoys me. If you think that, fine. Just keep it to yourself instead of flaming everyone and everything around you.

No, no, no, that's not quite right. By all means, tell us your opinion; we're open to it, honestly, correct or otherwise. Don't keep it to yourself.

The flaming everyone part, though, I agree with. Share your opinion, but don't force it on everyone.

i like both of them. I've been playing the Sonic games since I was "little". I still like the newer ones. Do you see me complaining about the new games? I'm a big Sonic Adventure fan, and I'm also a big fan of the 2D games. Heroes, however... -_- ... Let's not go there. That one doesn't count unless it's the gamecube version.

The first two Adventures were pretty fine (if now extremely dated - my kingdom for a proper right-analog stick camera...), but you have to admit that they lost focus soon thereafter. Heroes kind of nailed the concept (fanservice = good) but is where they started to falter in execution (glitches abound, controls looser than a round peg in a square hole, and clunky character-changing mechanics) and think all the dialog had to be written for little children; Shadow basically spat in the face of, well, everyone except die-hard Shadow fans, 2K6 had good intentions but was so poorly-developed that only a masochist could truly enjoy it, and Black Knight gives Sonic, a character explicitly designed such that he wouldn't need a weapon (he IS the weapon), a sword. Not to mention that Rush, although everyone seems to think it's fun, is about as far away from the classic 2D games as you can get; remember when the Spin Dash was useful? Remember when overcoming obstacles was a matter of getting the correct momentum instead of hitting a button and blasting through? Sega doesn't.

Really, it's less an issue of 2D vs. 3D and more an issue of Sonic having completely lost his soul. Having jumped the shark, so to speak. Nobody at Sega really seems to know what the series was about anymore, other than "Sonic = fast"... and the series suffers for it.

I think what they were trying to say, was that it's rather lame that people claim to 'omg i luv sonic' when a game goes right, but once Sega and/or Sonic Team makes a poor decision, the fan soon switches to a 'omg sonic is liek ded to me' attitude. Then, they go onto a Sonic message board and begin a year's worth of whining and complaining inside of every possible topic, claiming 'it will never be as good as sonic cd whaaa.'

At least, I think that was the point this topic was meant for.

Well *I* am NOT a fair weather Sonic fan. I've been a fan since I was 9 years old, and granted while I'm not as big a fan now as I was then, I'll always be a true blue fan. Granted, I must admit, the only Sonic games I have right now are Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure, but that's mostly because I'm poor and can't afford any of the new games. Suffice to say that no matter how bad people think the games suck, I'm still sticking with Sonic. And a TRUE fan won't just say "You must only play the classics" because guess what? A TRUE fan would stick with Sonic through thick and thin, and appeciate all aspects of Sonic from his original Sonic the Hedgehog game in the 90s, to the 3D games of today and the different comics, cartoons and related fandoms now. We may favor one over the other, but to dis Sonic, to want to see him die out because of the outright criticism of the so-called fans just plain makes me sick. At the VERY least, Sonic deserves to keep going, the excitement and spirit of Sonic will only be kept alive if they make new games, and improve.
I for one havn't played a lot of the new games, but despite the difficult gameplay, I would pose it as a challenge rather than "this game sucks so blah."
And I happen to like the storylines. Some of them are cheesy...some of them HAVE to be cheesy for the nature of the game (like back in Sonic R the plot wasn't really much there.)
But you get my point right? A true hedgehog fan sticks with Sonic to the end. I for one feel this way. Besides, as a character, even if Sega is messing him up, you shouldn't blame it on him. :3

Man, if a TRUE Sonic fan is one that apprieciates ALL aspects of Sonic(including the crappy & broken parts) then I'm damn glad that I'm not considered to be a true fan.

To tell you the truth, this whole, "Teh 2D games is mour betterer than teh 3D games!" thing annoys me. If you think that, fine. Just keep it to yourself instead of flaming everyone and everything around you. i like both of them. I've been playing the Sonic games since I was "little". I still like the newer ones. Do you see me complaining about the new games? I'm a big Sonic Adventure fan, and I'm also a big fan of the 2D games. Heroes, however... -_- ... Let's not go there. That one doesn't count unless it's the gamecube version.

I'd love to be a nice man and agree with you, but the asshole in me, and the fact that I am so disgusted in fans who appreciate games like Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06 makes me have to force my opinions on them. I just can't allow those kinds of people to exist. It's my duty as a real Sonic fan.

What Ashide said. I adore the classics and SA and SA2 and even Heroes[also Secret Rings...loved that game actually] to an extent. The GBA and DS titles are good as well, but those other games I didn't mention...ummm yea...not a good example of the Sonic that got him to his iconic status of today. I'm still fan...just nowhere near as huge as I once was.

Well *I* am NOT a fair weather Sonic fan. I've been a fan since I was 9 years old, and granted while I'm not as big a fan now as I was then, I'll always be a true blue fan. Granted, I must admit, the only Sonic games I have right now are Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure, but that's mostly because I'm poor and can't afford any of the new games. Suffice to say that no matter how bad people think the games suck, I'm still sticking with Sonic. And a TRUE fan won't just say "You must only play the classics" because guess what? A TRUE fan would stick with Sonic through thick and thin, and appeciate all aspects of Sonic from his original Sonic the Hedgehog game in the 90s, to the 3D games of today and the different comics, cartoons and related fandoms now. We may favor one over the other, but to dis Sonic, to want to see him die out because of the outright criticism of the so-called fans just plain makes me sick. At the VERY least, Sonic deserves to keep going, the excitement and spirit of Sonic will only be kept alive if they make new games, and improve.
I for one havn't played a lot of the new games, but despite the difficult gameplay, I would pose it as a challenge rather than "this game sucks so blah."
And I happen to like the storylines. Some of them are cheesy...some of them HAVE to be cheesy for the nature of the game (like back in Sonic R the plot wasn't really much there.)
But you get my point right? A true hedgehog fan sticks with Sonic to the end. I for one feel this way. Besides, as a character, even if Sega is messing him up, you shouldn't blame it on him. :3

A TRUE fan is someone who loves Sonic for something he's provided, or all of it, not something they stick with through thick or thin, this isn't a wedding after all.

Personally I find your idea of a true fan insulting, because you basically allow for something that was once the highlight of my childhood to be crapped on from a great height by the very company that created him in the bid to get profit from kids who love the game because it has Sonic and Sonic fans who can''t accept not owning another turd with a Sonic logo on it.

And don't tell me it hasn't gotten that bad, because it has, and has only just shown any sign that Sonic may redeem himself on home consoles, primarily because they used the gameplay of Rush series, which is arguably the best Sonic's been since the Dreamcast expired.

A true fan would want great things from the series or character that has won them over, to give them more reason to enjoy the series, and if nothing else, secure their decision in choosing that series to stick by.

Now let me tell you, I've put up with a lot from some series and companies, and Sonic has been the toughest due to how important the little blue hedgehog was on my childhood, inspiring me to draw, to want to make games, to want to make comics, I owe my love and interest of games, comics, and cartoons, and my own endeavors into those subjects to Sonic, and for me personally it's painful to see him as just SEGA's marketing ploy. I hate that he's in some of the worst games of both this and the previous generation, when he was once one of the best. If you think that a true fan should support bastardizing the element that made people love them in the first place you should talk to some Star Wars fans.

*relaxes* Counter rant over, sorry for that. 😛

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I'm sorry Robobotnik, but I have to respectfully disagree. I can too say that Sonic games aren't that bad to me because they aren't in my personal opinion! I get so tired of all the disillusioned Sonic fans who think that there is no possible way for some of us older fans to like the games or think that if we say we like them we're just saying it because we don't want to admit they're bad.

I can truly tell you, with my hands on a stack of Bibles, which is very important to me as well, that I do not think the 3D Sonics are crap and I just like them because they have Sonic on them.

As a matter of fact, the only Sonic game I'll call crap is Secret Rings; I could not control it well, I hated the on-rails, the controls were VERY frustrating and no the upgrades didn't make it that much better. Those times you guys say that you fell off the ledges in the other games? *raises hand* that's what happened to me in Rings. As matter of fact, it is because of Sonic that I played this crap and the only reason I tried to find enjoyment, which I did eek out by the way.

The only other Sonic game that I played and didn't like was Pinball Party, but that 's probably because I don't play or really like pinball, which is weird since I liked Spinball.

I will agree with you on one thing Robo: as a Sonic fan, I do want better for Sonic. I long for the day that Sega makes a game that true fans like me and true fans like you can both share in our mutual enjoyment, but until that day, if I can enjoy a Sonic game no matter how bad anyone else says it is, I will and I'll defend it until the day that I die!

I'm sorry Robobotnik, but I have to respectfully disagree. I can too say that Sonic games aren't that bad to me because they aren't in my personal opinion! I get so tired of all the disillusioned Sonic fans who think that there is no possible way for some of us older fans to like the games or think that if we say we like them we're just saying it because we don't want to admit they're bad.

I can truly tell you, with my hands on a stack of Bibles, which is very important to me as well, that I do not think the 3D Sonics are crap and I just like them because they have Sonic on them.

As a matter of fact, the only Sonic game I'll call crap is Secret Rings; I could not control it well, I hated the on-rails, the controls were VERY frustrating and no the upgrades didn't make it that much better. Those times you guys say that you fell off the ledges in the other games? *raises hand* that's what happened to me in Rings. As matter of fact, it is because of Sonic that I played this crap and the only reason I tried to find enjoyment, which I did eek out by the way.

The only other Sonic game that I played and didn't like was Pinball Party, but that 's probably because I don't play or really like pinball, which is weird since I liked Spinball.

I will agree with you on one thing Robo: as a Sonic fan, I do want better for Sonic. I long for the day that Sega makes a game that true fans like me and true fans like you can both share in our mutual enjoyment, but until that day, if I can enjoy a Sonic game no matter how bad anyone else says it is, I will and I'll defend it until the day that I die!

You like Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06?

I like Shadow and '06.

Oh, heck yes @ Toby *high five* Ahem, anywho, oh, heck yeah, I love Shadow and like '06. I consider Shadow the true to successor to SA2, in how it played anyway, and I think '06 just blew SatSR out of the water as I much rather have a "broken" game that I can control over a "good" game I can't. As far as the cameras or game-breaking glitches, I haven't ever really faced any of those, and the few problems I have had with the camera is just in a few portions/missions of levels I've played. Here's a more in depth feeling of 06 I posted at Bumbleking.

Fair enough, that was an emotional response mind you, but I can't agree that these games are good. When I consider how good Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Resident Evil, Metal Gear, Virtua Fighter, and so many other ten year old+ franchises are compare to Sonic? Sonic was once among these titles, and in my opinion the classics are the best of the 2D platformers of their day. I still feel that SA1 and 2 were good, but after that...

Also:

As a matter of fact, the only Sonic game I'll call crap is Secret Rings; I could not control it well, I hated the on-rails, the controls were VERY frustrating and no the upgrades didn't make it that much better. Those times you guys say that you fell off the ledges in the other games? *raises hand* that's what happened to me in Rings. As matter of fact, it is because of Sonic that I played this crap and the only reason I tried to find enjoyment, which I did eek out by the way.

That's how a lot of us feel about all of the 3D Sonics, at least since Heroes.

I would like to add that I think Sonic can be a lot better in 3D, not just cleaning up the glitches and polishing to a mirror sheen, but the overall game design needs a huge overhaul.

Admittedly this is without playing anything more than a demo of Sonic Unleashed.

Fair enough, that was an emotional response mind you, but I can't agree that these games are good. When I consider how good Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Resident Evil, Metal Gear, Virtua Fighter, and so many other ten year old+ franchises are compare to Sonic? Sonic was once among these titles, and in my opinion the classics are the best of the 2D platformers of their day. I still feel that SA1 and 2 were good, but after that...

Also:

As a matter of fact, the only Sonic game I'll call crap is Secret
Rings; I could not control it well, I hated the on-rails, the controls
were
VERY frustrating and no the upgrades didn't make it
that much better. Those times you guys say that you fell off the ledges
in the other
games? *raises hand* that's what happened to me in Rings. As matter of
fact, it is because of Sonic that I played this crap and the only
reason I tried to
find enjoyment, which I did eek out by the way.

That's how a lot of us feel about all of the 3D Sonics, at least since Heroes.

I would like to add that I think Sonic can be a lot better in 3D, not just cleaning up the glitches and polishing to a mirror sheen, but the overall game design needs a huge overhaul.

Admittedly this is without playing anything more than a demo of Sonic Unleashed.

Oh, I could tell it was an emotional repsonse, as a matter of fact, it stirred up my emotions as well, but I kinda calmed down as I was writing it. Of the other games you posted, I've only played the Mario and Metroid series, (And I just got into and beat all but two of the games in the Metroid series this year), and while I concede the Metroid games, in particular the Prime series, blow the latest Sonic games out of the water by a good margin, I'm not that impressed with the Mario series; SM64DS, NSMB, and MS; and I think Sonic's as good if not better than them.

As far as the quote you took out of my post, yes, I realize that's how you guys feel that's why I put it there to show that I too can empahtize , but in all honesty, I just don't see it in the other games. *shrugs* To each his own, eh?

blow the latest Sonic games out of the water by a good margin, I'm not that impressed with the Mario series; SM64DS, NSMB, and MS; and I think Sonic's as good if not better than them.

I was going to say no wonder if that all of your exposure to a Mario--a weak port, "a safe, but uninspired entry", and a "a black sheep entry that is either loved or loathed", but then I remembered you liked two seriously broken games. So I now I really can't trust any of your reconmendations of games ever.

Yeah, yeah, but I do like games others do as well, Psychonauts, Beyond Good and Evil, the Mario RPG series, Metroid, etc. so it's not like all my game preferences are "crap" games. Also, anytime I recommend a Sonic game, I make sure people are aware that I liked "two seriously broken" games so they can't get mad at me if I do recommend them.

Edit: Inquiry, would you recommend that I download SM64 on the Wii, instead of beating the DS version. Also, please note, I have played other games in the Mario series than the ones I mentioned; however, I have as of yet, played Galaxy except for a little bit of the demo last year at the Walmart where I work.

Mr Barrett, weren't you the one who microwaved a copy of Sonic '06 or am I thinking of someone else?

The whole subject of being fed up of fair weather fans is something that confuses me. I mean these people are annoyed with a sub par product. I mean you know, I enjoy the Sonic series as much as the next fanatic, but I can see where they are going wrong with everything. And it makes me sad. I really need to learn how to make vidya games soon...

Sure, the first copy I had two years ago that was given to me. I got pissed when I couldn't get past that final loop during Sonic's first mach speed zone. But for some reason I felt the need to get the game again and beat it because every moment I was unable to beat the game was tearing me apart, and I kicked ass at it this time.
So bah.

Now hear me it out.

Obviously, the popular opinion among the Sonic fandom is 2D games > 3D games. But that's not the problem. The problem comes from the fact that fairweather fans and yahoos who probably never even played a Sonic game, are saying this.

For example: This poster in another forum, claims that the 3D games are 'too kiddy.' Now despite the fact that 2D games were way more cartoony with cutesy animals and the 3D games dealt with death (albeit in usually in a poor way) And before that, I get tired of people claiming that the 2D games 'were all about speed'

Anyway, I felt like venting and I vented. I feel like that these fans and stooges are gonna be ones who plays a hand at the (improbable) series' destruction.

o.o What are you calling "destruction" of the series and what do you mean by "fairweather"?

Anyway, I think favoritism towards 2-D games might be partly a nostalgia thing, though for me I noticed that after I played the 2-D ones thoroughly enough, playing the 3-D ones seemed like something new, and that probably might've made them more appealing to me than they might've been otherwise, I'm not sure. But I think which games people played first and for how long should be something to consider since that would affect what people are used to.

As for the "kiddy" aspect, since the 2-D ones have less graphics and less focus on story their style could be more ambiguous than those of the 3-D ones... but I think that for whether or not the 3-D are more "kiddy" than the 2-D, at the very least it depends on which of the 3-D you're talking about. For Sonic Heroes, maybe, though I don't remember it very well, for the most part it was kinda mild and seemed to have more of that "specifically kiddy" stuff (like the Team Rose flower attack or whatever it was) than the older games. For SA2, I doubt it, since it had more intense moments and its general style seemed a bit more geared towards an older audience than for Heroes or for the 2-D games...

Hahaha I tolerated Shadow. Gotta say though...I mostly played through the game for the story the in-game use of CC and Chaos Blast[pretty awesome move, mind you]. The game itself though...was kinda lame though, not gonna lie. But I mean there's definitely a hope of Sonic returning to the top amongst the Sonic community...so atleast we all have that in common, yes?

To tell you the truth, this whole, "Teh 2D games is mour betterer than teh 3D games!" thing annoys me. If you think that, fine. Just keep it to yourself instead of flaming everyone and everything around you.

No, no, no, that's not quite right. By all means, tell us your opinion; we're open to it, honestly, correct or otherwise. Don't keep it to yourself.

The flaming everyone part, though, I agree with. Share your opinion, but don't force it on everyone.

i like both of them. I've been playing the Sonic games since I was "little". I still like the newer ones. Do you see me complaining about the new games? I'm a big Sonic Adventure fan, and I'm also a big fan of the 2D games. Heroes, however... -_- ... Let's not go there. That one doesn't count unless it's the gamecube version.

The first two Adventures were pretty fine (if now extremely dated - my kingdom for a proper right-analog stick camera...), but you have to admit that they lost focus soon thereafter. Heroes kind of nailed the concept (fanservice = good) but is where they started to falter in execution (glitches abound, controls looser than a round peg in a square hole, and clunky character-changing mechanics) and think all the dialog had to be written for little children; Shadow basically spat in the face of, well, everyone except die-hard Shadow fans, 2K6 had good intentions but was so poorly-developed that only a masochist could truly enjoy it, and Black Knight gives Sonic, a character explicitly designed such that he wouldn't need a weapon (he IS the weapon), a sword. Not to mention that Rush, although everyone seems to think it's fun, is about as far away from the classic 2D games as you can get; remember when the Spin Dash was useful? Remember when overcoming obstacles was a matter of getting the correct momentum instead of hitting a button and blasting through? Sega doesn't.

Really, it's less an issue of 2D vs. 3D and more an issue of Sonic having completely lost his soul. Having jumped the shark, so to speak. Nobody at Sega really seems to know what the series was about anymore, other than "Sonic = fast"... and the series suffers for it.

Superbly put.

I'm going to blame the crap on the Sammy merger. As I always say, Sonic Heroes was a huge leap in the correct direction for a 3D Sonic game conceptually. Guess what happened during development? Sammy, who proceeded to produce Shadow, a blatant pander to the MOAR GUNZ crowd, and SonicNext, a blatant pander to the JRPG crowd, neither remotely successful at pandering of course. Sammy are the worst kind of money whores, the kind that show both their desperation and their penny pinching overtly and bash you over the heard with them. Contrast Nintendo that makes money easily with quality.

Edit: Inquiry, would you recommend that I download SM64 on the Wii, instead of beating the DS version.

I would recommend you download SMB3 on the Wii.

And Super Mario World while he's at it. And Yoshi's Island, even though that's not really a Mario game...more of a spin-off, but it's still one of the best plaformers ever made. And Super Mario Bros. so he won't look like a heathen.

Also, SM64 is meant to be played using an analog stick and only as Mario. So he should go for it too.

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I'm going to blame the crap on the Sammy merger. As I always say, Sonic Heroes was a huge leap in the correct direction for a 3D Sonic game conceptually. Guess what happened during development? Sammy, who proceeded to produce Shadow, a blatant pander to the MOAR GUNZ crowd, and SonicNext, a blatant pander to the JRPG crowd, neither remotely successful at pandering of course. Sammy are the worst kind of money whores, the kind that show both their desperation and their penny pinching overtly and bash you over the heard with them. Contrast Nintendo that makes money easily with quality.

So is Sammy also the reason they insert Hog of War and sword-play in Sonic games in an attempt to pander other audience also? Don't get me wrong, I do think Sammy could be responsible for some of the decisions concerning various Sega franchises, however I don't think Sega is exactly innocent either. I mean even before the Sammy takeover Sega rushed the heck out of Sonic such as Sonic Adventure when it was released in Japan and Sonic 3 which resulted in an add-on months later and was also content in letting other Sega or 3rd-party teams develop some average to poor Sonic games on the Game Gear, 32X, and Saturn.

I would also recommend giving Super Mario Galaxy a proper play through, even if you don't complete it, try out some of the levels and missions on them at least. I don't think I'm alone when I consider it to be the greatest 3D platformer to date, and with good reason, the level design is near perfect, and the control over Mario is superb.

Well, I've played most of Yoshi Island on the GBA and got quite a bit far for SMB3 on the GBA. Now, Super Mario World, I beat the whole game on the GBA and unlocked all the levels and paths, to my knowledge anyway, and got all Yoshi Coins. I've also downloaded SMB and JPN SMB2 on the Wii already so all I would have to do is download SM64. BTW, Robo, I plan on playing Galaxy later on, but since I'm a stickler for playing games in order, I would like to beat 64 and Sunshine before attempting it.

When It comes down to it its u[ to each persons own openion...(& sometimes the openions of their friends wich in turn force their openions on the fan, etc)

I myself have liked most sonic games overall i mean in fact it would be easier to name the few I don't like...

Sonic Games I DON'T like

The Sonic Riders series
The SOnic Rivals series
Sonic & the Secret rings
Sega Superstar tennis (Wii version, controls suck the 360 ver is ok though!)
Sonic Unleashed (Wii version controls..again, again 360 version is OK)

But Im not going to make fun of people who do like those games or say that games stupid...I mean Every Sonic Game has its ups & downs...Heck every Video Game in general has good & bad points,,It just comes down to the Fans taste and...well in some cases..Like mine...Attention span!

Sega Superstar tennis (Wii version, controls suck the 360 ver is ok though!)

Sega Superstar Tennis is as much of a Sonic game as Super Smash Bros. Brawl is a Pokemon game.

Well, I've played most of Yoshi Island on the GBA and got quite a bit far for SMB3 on the GBA. Now, Super Mario World, I beat the whole game on the GBA and unlocked all the levels and paths, to my knowledge anyway, and got all Yoshi Coins. I've also downloaded SMB and JPN SMB2 on the Wii already so all I would have to do is download SM64. BTW, Robo, I plan on playing Galaxy later on, but since I'm a stickler for playing games in order, I would like to beat 64 and Sunshine before attempting it.

Hahaha! You do that too? *high fives* Awesome!

Oh, heck, yes! *gives high five back* I played the entire Metroid series in story order, and even though, I had Heroes before SADX and SA2B, I stopped it and finished the 1st two.

I'm interested to know which of the 3D Sonic's you consider to be the best.

I myself consider SA1 (DC version specifically) to be my second favourite Sonic game for numerous reasons.

You talking to me? If you are, SA, I've only played the DX version mind, is my favorite Sonic game period so naturally it is my favorite 3D Sonic.

Ahh, well we agree there then.

Regarding the 3-D Sonics, I cannot choose between SADX and SA2B. Then again, Heroes was the last console Sonic game I played(spin-offs included). Not so much because of the bad reviews they have gotten, but due to putting what money I have into other interests.

Note to self: I REALLY need to catch up on games for both the Gamecube and Wii.

Similar thing here @ Mewtamer; only one store in my home town does game rentals and they didn't have the Gamecube versions of any games since Heroes; they had the X-Box version of Shadow but I doubt it'd be worth renting a console just for one game... they might have more now though. And I think I've played Riders at a mall once...

Anyway I prefer SA2 for various reasons, although I've beaten that dead horse long ago, (and before anyone says "when has that stopped you" that's not my point) but I was wondering, why the DC version specifically, Robobotnik?

Ahh, well we agree there then.

Yeah, see, even though Ashide said she wouldn't listen to any of my game recommendations, which I think she may have half-way been joking, I do like a lot of the games other do; I just so happen to like the bad ones too.

Haha! That silly Ashide. 😛 Favorite 3D Sonic...SA...you know, that game was amazing. But I was sucked into the Shadow craze, so for me, it's gotta be SA2. But SA is second fave of the 3Ds and like... 3rd or 4th overall.

My favourite 3D Sonic is Super Marble Blast Ultra on the 360.

*nods*