Look, Since SA2, People have people constanly whining and crying about Shadow being alive in Sonic Games and stealing other characters spotlights, I have one question, why in a new year and time are we still doing it, it's getting on my nerves. Are you haters Envyous or Jealous of Shadow or something?, you insult him for being a clone(like metal and amy, ), you insult him for being somewhat emo(Like he's going to forget that murder fifty years ago trapped in a cryostasis like a normal dude)
, You insult him for having more attention than Knuckles and Tails(But seriously those guys have been with Sonic since the begining, why do you say he's stealing the spotlight?, I mean he's got 7 game debuts plus one on Sonic Wii, but Knuckles and Tails has been in all the games and they take roles far more important than Shadow, the reason Shadow's got spotlight because like Zero he's appealing and fun to play as on SA2 and Sonic Riders IMO and his gameplay though a clone of Sonic's in SA2 was unique since him and Sonic Introduced Grinding and had his own method of getting up to super sonic speed by reducing friction by air roller blading is what made him so liked in that game, and with his backstory and unique powers he's not going to be one shot like that, period) and you insult him because he's a cliche, a fanboy magnet, and overrated(First off, Overrated characters are everywhere, secondary characters that are overrated than the main ones are to common, Like Rei Ayanami off of Evangelion, Sailor Mercury off of Sailor Moon, Kos-Mos off of Xenosaga, and Kramer off of Seinfeld. There's no deserving character than Sonic, but really you all are just blow stuff out of paportion by saying Shadow is stealing spotlight and stealing roles off of characters, you guys keep forgeting who Shadow is, he's a rival/anti-Sonic character, he's supposed to be the Main Attraction to the majority, and he's supposed to be a bit better than Knuckles and Tails because of what he is, The Ultimate LifeForm, clearly Sonic Team knows why Shadow is their #1 cashcow, because their trying to evolve themselves as a gaming comapany trying to find whats cool in todays society, Badasses and Trash talkers, this is what happened in Sonic Adventure, they evolved Sonic into a teenager so they could keep up with todays new generation, They Created Shadow so he would be a Bad Sonic with a nack for evil and a opposite motive to his other half, but thats what was cool the badboy sterotype character doppleganger with evil look and metal like songs. It was a hit, and people loved him or kids. Japan knew Shadow himself was a Knuckles Level Character that would stay for as long as Sonic Runs, him being dead, who can actually prove this? who can even say what Shadow's fate is in that game, Shadow disappeard into the light for all we know Shadow could of chaos controled to earth uncousious, he wasn't supposed to die, Sonic Team had plans for him bfore he debut somewhere in a article, and why do people sayt his death was the adds to the plot of Sonic Series, was it really that touching like it should of won an oscar for much touching moment in video game history? And if he stayed dead, would Sonic games be any better? I mean, look a Sonic Drift, Knuckles Chaotix, Tails Adventure, Sonic Shuffle, Sonic Drift, Sonic 3d Blast and Sonic Advance 2, they were crap among all crap, Shadow's game compared to them are How can one character impact a franchise and games instead of Sonic the Main Character good or bad is rediculious, how is it that Shadow is the Main Reason Sonic games suck? He's just there for the fans and thats it, just like Knuckles Tails, Amy, Metal Sonic are their for their fans Sonic is still the main guy you play as. Fanboys, Yeah when somebody makes a post about Shadow being a crap character I'll let it slide, but if you go over the line and just plain out diss him for being there than we have no choice but to defend him, If Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles were in his positon, you would do the same. You guy always playing the cliche card or the Emo card when a shadow hater says their opinion, when you know damn well theirs not a damn thing emo or cliche about Shadow as of now, when he out there risking his ass for his friends, you crap down his throat and feed him @#%$ lies about him. Now that unfair, why blame him for something he can't help but be? I mean you talk about cliche, but all the damn characters are cliche and non-original, I mean Sonic for starters is a blue Bugs Bunny/Mickey mouse slash Mario and Flash clone which main aspect of his games is to collect emeralds and stop the badguy which is a alot simalar to the dragonball franchise, Manga created before Sonic was even thought up. So Cliche or not, Shadow's no different from the others in terms of non originailty.
So whats the fuss now?, with age I thought you Sonic Fans would be civilized people and mature letting bygones be bygones with this OMG SHHADO IH HER, LIK THES GAME WIL LIK SUK LOL crap, You really need to grow up and get over it, it's obviously Shadow's not as hated as you think he is, for he wouldn't have lasted this long with Sonic in the first place, he's pretty much labeled a Major Character along with rouge for the rest of his Badass life. I wonder, when will the complaining stop? When will Shadow haters back off and just accept defeat? Nobody wins It's all a pointless game of Love em or Hate em even if you do type the most logical reasons on why Shadow is a failed attempt at badassary or some stupid crap, end the end you lose because nobody in the wold damn world freakin cares and you lose bigtime. But for Sonic Fans, it never stops, and this pretty soon is going to make me quit, If being a true Sonic Fan is hating every new character except blaze and loving 2d sonic titles that are as old as Yo mama Jokes, then I don't want to be a part of this true fanbase. Just like Sasuke and Wolverine Haters, Shadow haters are full of **IT. FACT
Use paragraphs. Also, be aware that I hate. HATE people who start topics which are rebuttals to arguements that nobody made.
Normally I do not argue why I hate Shadow, but as you are so adamant on making me... I have several legitimate reasons for hating Shadow. Wolverine too. But let's focus on Shadow.
His storyline is a convulted pile of crap which is over excessive and relies ENTIRELY on backstory, and in order to milk the cash cow they have to keep adding and adding to that backstory until it's ridiculous, makes no sense and is retarded beyond belief.
Sonic Adventure 2 would have been ok on it's own, desptie the absoloute FOOLISHNESS of the whole Dr. Gerald sending HIS OWN EXECUTION onto the ARK to crash it into Earth... somehow... from prison... after he died.
It's post SA2 where things get stupid. First we divert the story and create needless continuity plotholes and roadblocks in titles released on the same day, one claiming Shadow has amnesia and is a possible clone and one which is stating that Shadow is alive and well (without explination) and that Dr Gerald made him for good to save humanity, despite the whole "Throw ARK onto Earth" thing.
The mystery was drawn out for 4 whole years and wasn't even ADDRESSED in the game which was made to "clear up the mysetry of Shadow!"
Clear up, my rear end, it just added yet another damned Retcon which hadn't been mentioned in any of the other games.
So now we have a possible clone alien DNA immortal ultimate weapon thing who for NO REASON AT ALL shares abilities with Sonic. I'd appreciate Sonic not being able to Chaos Control. It would make me appreciate Shadow more.
Unsatisfied with Shadow being an Immortal Ultimate Weapon Alien Clone With an Army of Replica Robots, Sega decided they would retcon AGAIN to justify his evil and cheapen all that we learned of him in SA2.
Perhaps Maria being slaughtered infront of his eyes was enough reason to be angry at humanity. We didn't need "possessed by a demon" on our grocery list of bullcrap.
Personally I don't care that he is a recolour. Metal Sonic is Sonic, but metal. I love Metal Sonic.
I love the airshoes. They're nifty.
I love Chaos Control. I just wish Shadow was the only one to use it and it wasn't a win all/end all deus ex machina plot device used as often as the Super characters are.
I just hate who Shadow is, I hate his story, I hate what he represents.
He is a fairly decent attempt at creating a tragic anti-hero with a moderate amount of success in SA2 with a dignified death.
Bringing him back, fair enough, I read comic books, I know that when someone is popular they cannot die.
What I take issue with is the fact that in order to cash in on the one moment where Sega had decided to make something a little more deep than a puddle of water, they drain everybit of his characetr by filling it with bullcrap mysteries inserted into the ending of each game, contradicting storylines with passive plot holes and so many different "cool" gimmicks that he is literally a shadow of his former selves.
I don't hate Shadow.
I hate what Sega have done to him to appease mindless fans who will eat up anything with a ghetto hedgehog and a gun. You and your kind represent everything which is destroying the franchise I once loved.
Yeah. What Craig said?
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Use paragraphs. Also, be aware that I hate. HATE people who start topics which are rebuttals to arguements that nobody made.Normally I do not argue why I hate Shadow, but as you are so adamant on making me... I have several legitimate reasons for hating Shadow. Wolverine too. But let's focus on Shadow.
His storyline is a convulted pile of crap which is over excessive and relies ENTIRELY on backstory, and in order to milk the cash cow they have to keep adding and adding to that backstory until it's ridiculous, makes no sense and is retarded beyond belief.
Sonic Adventure 2 would have been ok on it's own, desptie the absoloute FOOLISHNESS of the whole Dr. Gerald sending HIS OWN EXECUTION onto the ARK to crash it into Earth... somehow... from prison... after he died.
It's post SA2 where things get stupid. First we divert the story and create needless continuity plotholes and roadblocks in titles released on the same day, one claiming Shadow has amnesia and is a possible clone and one which is stating that Shadow is alive and well (without explination) and that Dr Gerald made him for good to save humanity, despite the whole "Throw ARK onto Earth" thing.
The mystery was drawn out for 4 whole years and wasn't even ADDRESSED in the game which was made to "clear up the mysetry of Shadow!"
Clear up, my rear end, it just added yet another damned Retcon which hadn't been mentioned in any of the other games.
So now we have a possible clone alien DNA immortal ultimate weapon thing who for NO REASON AT ALL shares abilities with Sonic. I'd appreciate Sonic not being able to Chaos Control. It would make me appreciate Shadow more.
Unsatisfied with Shadow being an Immortal Ultimate Weapon Alien Clone With an Army of Replica Robots, Sega decided they would retcon AGAIN to justify his evil and cheapen all that we learned of him in SA2.
Perhaps Maria being slaughtered infront of his eyes was enough reason to be angry at humanity. We didn't need "possessed by a demon" on our grocery list of bullcrap.
Personally I don't care that he is a recolour. Metal Sonic is Sonic, but metal. I love Metal Sonic.
I love the airshoes. They're nifty.
I love Chaos Control. I just wish Shadow was the only one to use it and it wasn't a win all/end all deus ex machina plot device used as often as the Super characters are.
I just hate who Shadow is, I hate his story, I hate what he represents.
He is a fairly decent attempt at creating a tragic anti-hero with a moderate amount of success in SA2 with a dignified death.
Bringing him back, fair enough, I read comic books, I know that when someone is popular they cannot die.
What I take issue with is the fact that in order to cash in on the one moment where Sega had decided to make something a little more deep than a puddle of water, they drain everybit of his characetr by filling it with bullcrap mysteries inserted into the ending of each game, contradicting storylines with passive plot holes and so many different "cool" gimmicks that he is literally a shadow of his former selves.
I don't hate Shadow.
I hate what Sega have done to him to appease mindless fans who will eat up anything with a ghetto hedgehog and a gun. You and your kind represent everything which is destroying the franchise I once loved.
Generic Sonic Fanboy Purist #209. You haven't convinced me on why you should Hate Shadow as he is now. And still complaining about him when ever he appears, Oh well. I tried. Idiot.
...what the hell. Craig answered your point fluently and perfectly, with plenty of justifiable reasons. He could have gone the same route you did and mindlessly flame away, but he didn't. You claiming he's a Generic Sonic Fanboy Purist is absolutely laughable when you're simply a Generic Shadow Fanboy who likes mindless stereotypes geared towards an anti-hero, but whose story is so convoluted that he just comes off as a joke.
Your response to Craig's answer was weak and nothing more then denial. If he wasn't able to convince you why Shadow is a weakly characterized character, then nothing will, since you're so pigheaded in your obsession of him. Nothing will evidently change your opinion.
...making this topic absolutely redundant.
Shadow started out life as a mere Ultimate Life Form.
Then he died
Then he might be a clone of the mere Ultimate Life Form
Then it turns out Shadow is made of alien jizz.
Then its revealed he is immortal and ageless but for some reason he is 15.
Soon Shadow will be GOD.
Shadow WAS cool. I won't deny it. But he is overpowered compared to the other characters in terms of abilities and in his own (very confused) game he came across as moany, depressed, sad, angry and just not a nice person to be around. Sonic 2K6 actually goes some way to make Shadow cool again, the whole mercenary thing is cool along with the warping in mid air and Chaos Blasts as well as getting rid of the hateful side of Shadow.
But has too much damage been done to the character to make him likeable to normal people? Possibly. His back story is a joke and whilst he isn't the reason why Sonic games have been sub par his appearances in games does depress people.
One day you'll look back at this and laugh shb17. But not yet. There is much fun to be had now.
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Perhaps Maria being slaughtered infront of his eyes was enough reason to be angry at humanity. We didn't need "possessed by a demon" on our grocery list of bullcrap.
That was a RUMOR. Shadow was never possessed by Mephiles. Mephiles only stole his form.
And let's not forget the fact that whenever Shadow is part of the story, the whole story focuses mostly on him.
SA2- Understandable so I won't criticize it
Sonic Heroes- Out of (what little) the plot the game had it still seemed to focus on Shadow trying to find out his past. And then, Team Dark's ending didn't help one bit
Sonic Battle- Didn't play it myself, but Gerald's notes explains why and how he created Shadow.
Shadow the Hedgehog- His game. Won't say anything.
Sonic 06- For goodness sakes, this really takes the cake. Shadow was the only one who ever fought the main villian of the game. Sonic was too busy pulling a Mario and then Silver was just trick by the villian. And he's way overpowered here too. How can it be Sonic=Shadow when it came off as Shadow>Silver>Sonic?
His only saving grace was that he admitted that no one couldn't defeat the final boss without Sonic.
If you want people to read what you have to say, how about you help them out a bit by making seperate paragraphs? It makes it easier for the eye to follow. I HATE reading a big wall of text. More often than not, my eye has to absolutely struggle to do it.
In any case, I read what you posted, and you bring up a couple of good points but your argument still holds very little water.
You claim that Tails and Knuckles still play significant roles, but this is false. In SH, Shadow, and S360, Tails and Knuckles were just there. Each of these games had Shadow's insanely convoluted backstory as one of the focal points if not THE focal point of what we shall laughingly call a "plot."
None of the Shadow plots make much sense and the gun/vehicle gameplay is silly. Why would a hedgehog with chaos powers who can travel at the speed of sound ride a motorcycle and pack heat? Not to mention the fact that this contradicts his attitude toward weapons as portrayed in Sonic Battle, which actually gave a crap about characterization and plot. Oh, and pointing out something to Craig: yes, Battle and Heroes were released around the same time, but obviously Heroes was in development long before Battle so, as you know, Battle takes place later in the "timeline." lol timeline.
And then Craig makes valid arguments and you quote the only to respond with nothing more than a line or two of baseless insults. No offense, but since you're not a regular around here, it's you who seems a bit generic at the moment.
Do not flame. Please read the rules before posting. Have a nice day.
SHB17:
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No matter what happens i will still tihnk of shadow as ONE of my fav chars although his backstory i will admit is screwed up now.
Shadow was a one-game character. Did anybody see the ending of SA2 as more than a contrived way to get rid of him? I mean come on, he just runs out of energy and dies for no reason. They obviously saw him as a clone who only had a point in a Hero vs. Dark type game like SA2.
Then a bunch of people went nuts over him and the destruction of the (Sonic) universe was at hand. Honestly the only thing I like about Shadow is that skating run, which is pretty cool. Yes, his shoes are cooler than he is.
I point to Tommy Turtle of Archie Sonic comics, who despite being a completely opposite character is basically the same in his usage. Character appears in single story, sacrifices himself, and becomes popular. He is restored to the story through ridiculously convoluted so-called plot. After reentering the story he has no point and the producers start centering too much of the story on him to try and come up with a point and eventually give him absurd powers. The fans increasingly despise said character.
So, Vec, shall we look forward to Super Sonic and Super Shadow, with it ending by Shadow getting killed off by the Egg Fleet? 
Shadow brought to the Sonic games what none of the other characters had done so beforehand - directed anger, rage - and they turned that into a story, thus SA2. However, after that, things went downhill.
They brought Shadow back - now, contrary to popular belief, that wasn't as bad as how it's made out to be. What was bad about it was how he was brought back. Half the plot of Sonic Heroes - lolz - was about him getting his moemory back, but nada, zip, nothing. He was a wasted character worth bringing back there and then because you know why?
Sega's fascination with only doing half-arsed the effort on games. That's why.
Not only did they bring him back, but they completely f**ked up the way they did it. Amnesia! Whut? Possible robotic clone! Whut?
And then they had to go and add backstory - thank you, Sega, for the game, Shadow the Hedgehog.
Here, Shadow is now revealed to have been constructed of alien DNA. Whut? That's right, now not only was he the Ultimate Life Form, but now, OMGWTF - he's part alien!
But wait, there's more!
Sonic Battle - here he has his memory regained, and his personality's a bit more refined, and more dignified as a character. Even in this game, Shadow backstory has to be included - found in secret notes by the good ol' Professor Gerald.
And finally, Sonic the Hedgehog, for the Xbox 360/PS3. Okay, so he works for GUN now, that's cool and all - but why is he still using vehicles? Most of his level designs have it so that you have to use vehicles - but if he's the Ultimate Life Form derived from aliens and could've also possibly been a robot - what's the point?
Sigh.
I loved Shadow. But, Sega's taken away all that love, because they've f**ked him over.
Thanks, Sega. =D
Let's keep this simple.
Shadow is a fulfillment of a generic stereotype of the angsty loner fan-favourite type character seen so often in anime, but without the intelligence and common sense the better among such characters often possess.
Therefore, he's a stereotype with none of the redeeming features. I really see no reason whatsoever to like, appreciate or welcome him as a character.
(Otherwise, applauds Craig)
tl;dr. Shadow sucks, get over it.
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I point to Tommy Turtle of Archie Sonic comics, who despite being a completely opposite character is basically the same in his usage. Character appears in single story, sacrifices himself, and becomes popular. He is restored to the story through ridiculously convoluted so-called plot. After reentering the story he has no point and the producers start centering too much of the story on him to try and come up with a point and eventually give him absurd powers. The fans increasingly despise said character.
I never really liked Tommy to begin with, but hey, he's dead now. ![:]](https://www.mobiusforum.net/images/icons/smilies/biggrinshaded.gif){kind=icon}
To be honest, Sega is screwing up everyone in the Sonic series. Shadow just so happens to be the most obvious.
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I point to Tommy Turtle of Archie Sonic comics, who despite being a completely opposite character is basically the same in his usage. Character appears in single story, sacrifices himself, and becomes popular.
Eh, I don't think Tommy was ever popular...at least not with the fans...
The WRITERS, maybe...
I just took it for granted that they would bring Shadow back somehow after SA2. I thought surely they wouldn't just forget about such a neat character. I liked racing around in the rocket shoes, and SA2 left me wanting more action like that. Thus I heart the Shadow shoes in Sonic racers. But I never really got into the Shadow game because I suck at shooting. The 2 player option in that game was fun though!
I suppose I don't mind Shadow, but Sonic's really the only one for me. Playability/story/cool moves in games don't really affect my choice, because I'm no good at games. I guess I'm just sentimental about ol' blue boy really 
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...what the hell. Craig answered your point fluently and perfectly, with plenty of justifiable reasons. He could have gone the same route you did and mindlessly flame away, but he didn't. You claiming he's a Generic Sonic Fanboy Purist is absolutely laughable when you're simply a Generic Shadow Fanboy who likes mindless stereotypes geared towards an anti-hero, but whose story is so convoluted that he just comes off as a joke.
Your response to Craig's answer was weak and nothing more then denial. If he wasn't able to convince you why Shadow is a weakly characterized character, then nothing will, since you're so pigheaded in your obsession of him. Nothing will evidently change your opinion.
...making this topic absolutely redundant.
1.Shadow's streotype is no better than Sonic's. Who
s purpose is so simplistic and fnatasy camped based that Sonic himself comes off at as a joke.
2. This topic is aboot why people still complain about shadow now, when they should face facts and learn to accept him. Idiot.
Shadow started out life as a mere Ultimate Life Form.
Then he died
Then he might be a clone of the mere Ultimate Life Form
Then it turns out Shadow is made of alien jizz.
Then its revealed he is immortal and ageless but for some reason he is 15.
Soon Shadow will be GOD.
So why is that a problem, he's obviously like Zero. Thats not a bad thing.
None of the Shadow plots make much sense and the gun/vehicle gameplay is silly. Why would a hedgehog with chaos powers who can travel at the speed of sound ride a motorcycle and pack heat? Not to mention the fact that this contradicts his attitude toward weapons as portrayed in Sonic Battle, which actually gave a crap about characterization and plot. Oh, and pointing out something to Craig: yes, Battle and Heroes were released around the same time, but obviously Heroes was in development long before Battle so, as you know, Battle takes place later in the "timeline." lol timeline.
They do make since, it's supposed to be series of events that are convaded to the actual plot of Shadow's origins. He uses guns the same way dante does, he's a weapon.
Shadowshomeboy, you've already been warned in two threads, and this seems like it's gonna become nothing but flamebait from here on out. You've been given ALL SORTS OF REPLIES with completely rational explanations. Keep it up and you won't be staying here for long.
I don't think anybody will argue if I lock this.
~Shadowed Spirit Sage
*ban*
~Tobe
