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Ok, I found this article which interviews Michael Haigney who edits the scripts for Sonic X and other animes as well. Now all it is meant for is to partially explain why somethings are edited/removed and is no way defending or condemning 4kids.
Now with that out of the way: Discuss!!
To be brutally honest, I don't like the guy.
He acts like he (and 4Kids) has performed a major miracle for the entire world, by bring anime over 'into the mainstream'.
I desperately wish that there was another, not-leashed-by-Fox dubbing company, that could bring anime over, not change it at all, and just show 4Kids how dispensible they are.
I started reading and stopped in the third paragraph when he referred to the music editors as talented.
GyserHog, there's OceanStudios, Funimation (Um... kinda), Saban... there's alot, they're just not in the public eye like 4Kids is because they're not as crappy.
My vision started going blury with rage by the end of that... MY GOD.
Never even played the games? Yet he's story-editing a series with a saga completely BASED from them? The HELL?
And his defense is totally unpractical. People make fun of the guns and lollipops but it's generally understood WHY it's done. Now the removal of Japanese culture and the addition of crappy hip-hop...
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Except for the lollipop in Luffy's mouth, which is a sight gag... I don't see any making fun of the dubbing down of the mature content.
I wish 4Kids would just realise that if you set the show in Japan... KIDS WON'T CARE. If they're eating rice-balls and drink Miso, then they'll UNDERSTAND because the DAMN SHOW is set in JAPAN. And they know Anime COMES FROM Japan.
And of course, some questions wasn't answered:
Why are 4kids voice actors voicing Sonic games
Why are text edited out in general instead of rewriting it to English
Why 4kids cut out scenes necessary to the plot even if it doesn't have adult content.
And with Escargoon the snail, there have been more violent scenes in children cartoons than that. They should have kept it so they could show children to always brush their teeth.
Well about the games, he isn't involved he just redubbed the cartoons, about the signs -- well I'm still trying to track down a vague record or FOX's standards(MI:4) and as for the cuts, meh I dunno timeslots?? I never said it was in depth explanation, it just shows whos in charge and why and what he does.
He's a liar and a whore, and should be shot for not even at least referencing to the games (i.e. Sonic Adventure 1, 2, Heroes, and Sonic Battle).
May his death come slow and painful.
Calm down. Yes he's a liar and yes he should have refernce to something 'Sonicy' but it's no reason to kill him.
Don't tell me to calm down. I AM CALM!!11!!1one
I was just voicing my opinion in a rather vulgar manner, all the while being blunt at it. You just misinterpreted it as blinding anger and rage.
And thus, I conclude:
I AM GREATLY OFFENDED BY THE 4-KIDS' SHODDY PRODUCTIONS! =O
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Rasmussen : uh ok anyway are you familiar with any of the previous incarnations of Sonic, including the video games, comics and previous animations? What is your
impression of these works?
Mr. Haigney : Ive never played the game, seen the series or read the comics.
I'm shocked.
No offense to the guy; some of the script changes (in Sonic X) allowed outside Fox's jurisdiction are fine. (THAT'S JUST PEACHY! Changing Knux's unconscious scene to turning to the metarex. Stuff like that.) So, I could be my usual fanatical self and yell out something like, "HOW DARE HE NEVER PLAY A SONIC GAME," but instead, I'll state that someone who has played the games, and observed other Sonic-based things would have a lot less of a hassle than the guy. Honestly. How long would it take to find someone who's logged all the storyline of the games to get a better understanding of the characters?
And, that dentist thing with Kirby... That makes no sense. Watch some of these rather supersillious shows on, say, Cartoon Network. They deal with corrupt versions of all sorts of military and/or socially important people all the time. (Though, adding it in a dvd later was a fine thing to do; keep doing that...)
So, meh. At least it's somewhat interesting to know what goes on back there.
~Nytloc Penumbral Lightkeeper
I haven't read the interview, but comparing 4Kids to Cartoon Network isn't exactly fair. 4Kids stuff airs on broadcast stations while Cartoon Network is a cable station. Ever since 1996/1997 in the U.S. the broadcast networks that air cartoons are under stricter guidelines than cable networks (which have virtually none) due to Congress & Pres. Clinton. Those guidelines helped speed along the lack of Saturday morning cartoons and why CBS is basically "Nick Jr." or news and ABC is "Disney" (though the fact that ABC is part of Disney explains that as well).
I want to punch this guy SO hard.
But what are you going to do.
It's like I said/asked today in my review of Sonic X eps. 68, The bubble bath scence with Rouge and Bokuun 
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/68/images/002.JPG
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/68/images/005.JPG, I mean what's wrong with that?
We can only hope that there is someone out there that has uncut versions of Sonic X and is willing to share.
-Brian
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Unless you own Team Artail or pay for their site, do not hotlink their images. This board in particular gets a lot of traffic and they don't need to be socked on the bandwidth front like that. ;p
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www.teamartail.com/sonicx...s/005.JPG, I mean what's wrong with that?
Well, for starters, you shouldn't wear gloves while bathing.
Ha ha very funny, Com'n guys I'm serious here.
Anime has crapped all over cartoons.
I really shouldn't bother asking, but what on earth is that supposed to mean...?
Eh, I think the sentence explains itself. 
Is that a profound statement at the way that companies find it cheaper and easier to import a show and sell it on as it's own rather than creating their own original content, or is it just a bias hatred of Japanese cartoons?
A profound statement. And you nailed my thoughts exactly. I couldn't have said it better. 
Think about that for a second. Do we really want 4Kids making original cartoons, when they screw up even moderately cool anime upon translating it?
Leave the cartoon-making to Cartoon Network. 😛
Well I think they're doing a damn fine job with the new TMNT.
Though I think Mirage is also lending a say in the show, so I don't think they're doing it all by themselves.
4KIDS FAILS AT DUBBING ANIME AND THE NEW TMNT SUCKS.
No really, if you're going to have Stan Sakai's (don't know his name is spelled right) Usagi Yojimbo characters in the show, they should at least have better voices, especially Usagi himself.
I actually liked the OLD TMNT show better when it was on TV years ago.
The guy in the interview who explained the process of 4Kids' dubbing does that company no justice.
And I mentally laughed at the part about the "talented" music editors... their music makes the worst singers on American Idol sound good.
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Rasmussen : Are you interested in Japanese Anime and/or Manga? If so what are you into right now?
Mr. Haigney : I am interested in Manga as a concept. But I was never into comic books or manga.
May as well hire a guy who has an interest in physics but couldn't give a damn about the mathematics for NASA. I could write a page-long rant about this if I wanted to...
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Anime has crapped all over cartoons.
There are so many things wrong with this statement that I don't know where to start. Though that would lead into a whole 'nother topic all together so...
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Think about that for a second. Do we really want 4Kids making original cartoons, when they screw up even moderately cool anime upon translating it?
Hmm... That's interesting. But I always thought of 4KidsTV as just a name of the network that brings the anime over here and screw with it, rather than creating their own shows. So from that view, how can you be certain that original cartoons by Americans will suck if it's just 4KidsTV that is putting it on the air?
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There are so many things wrong with this statement that I don't know where to start. Though that would lead into a whole 'nother topic all together so...
Yeah well you're just one person. Besides it was not meant to be construed as hatred towards anime, as has been stated before.
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Yeah well you're just one person. Besides it was not meant to be construed as hatred towards anime, as has been stated before.
Here's Craig's question.
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Is that a profound statement at the way that companies find it cheaper and easier to import a show and sell it on as it's own rather than creating their own original content, or is it just a bias hatred of Japanese cartoons?
Here's your reply.
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A profound statement. And you nailed my thoughts exactly. I couldn't have said it better.
In a simple manner, Craig asked "Did you mean this, or this?" and you replied "Yes!". You gave no answer that made sense. No offense about this, I'm just guessing you misread his post.
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Hmm... That's interesting. But I always thought of 4KidsTV as just a name of the network that brings the anime over here and screw with it, rather than creating their own shows. So from that view, how can you be certain that original cartoons by Americans will suck if it's just 4KidsTV that is putting it on the air?
I'd respond but I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. American cartoons are better than most Anime in my opinion, if you're saying, that I'm saying that "ALL AMERICAN CARTOONS SUCK!"
If you're not, then I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Rasmussen : Any parting words for our readers?
Mr. Haigney : I know some hardcore anime fans hate the fact that 4Kids doesn't simply air the original Japanese series with "literal" subtitles. I understand their feelings. I'd just ask them to remember that 4Kids has probably brought more anime to more viewers than any company in the world. It may not always be in the way some fans would like, but I think 4Kids has contributed greatly to the interest and availability of anime worldwide. Maybe that counts for something in their eyes.
*cough* Funimation, Saban, ADV, Bandai and Geneon *cough*
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It may not always be in the way some fans would like, but I think 4Kids has contributed greatly to the interest and availability of anime worldwide.
*cough*What Shadonic said*cough*
Even Funimation has better voices and releases their anime on VHS and DVD UNCUT with the Japanese language track and English subtitles!
Sounds more like a bias to me.
Although, as muh as i enjoy anime, it does peeve me when a show like Justice League Unlimited is cancelled for 3 months to make room for more (and not necessarily better) anime.
It's because JLU didn't bring in much of the right demo to justifiy supporting a show that expensive for CN.
Also see MegasXLR and Samurai Jack.
It's much cheaper and less risky to import an anime for the network than to create an original, high-budgeted American-animated action show. Their is a big difference to between say like Naruto getting 450,000 9-14 viewers(though it is actually much higher than that) and JLU getting the same amount.
