Does anyone else think Knuckles has 2 differnt personalities? If you play Sonic bAttle he has a much more aggressive and fast to anger personaility same in Sonic X. But in the games especially heroes he is so calm and releaxed and hardly ever gets angry and when he does (SA) he doesnt really show it well.
I assume the writers thought the fact that Knuckles wore Jamican shoes made him Jamican and different writing teams have different interpretations of that particular race. Either lazy, calm and relaxed stoners without a care in the world, or shortfused obsessive rageaholics.
Sega are racist.
omg that totally makes sense lol i do prefer the Knuckles we saw in Sonic x and Sonic Battle though the one in heroes just had no feeling he just followed them for no reason and no master emerald.
The Jamaican busincess was pure SoA/SoE strategy guide writing and has no relation to the games. Knuckles is dutiful. That's the best way to describe him. So he's calm in general but turns into a hothead when somebody tries to steal the master emerald. He has the rivalry with Sonic because it makes him more interesting, but with each game that they team up he has less reason to be suspicious, so it rarely shows up after SA.
And remember how much of a little punk he was in Sonic 3?
GR!
Stole my emeralds, that beeyotch!
Wait, Sonic characters have personalities?
I thought they all just had one character trait each and were written as completely flat static characters.
Oh wait, they are =(
Would you rather have them all wrist slitty like a PSX Final Fantasy character.
I think Rouge had a good personality, actually =P
Call me crzy, but her character had a lot of depth in SA2.
Knux has been transforming more and more into a non-personality role.
But hey! they make the games for kids <shrug>
There's a very good reason that Knuckles has two different personalities, and that is because the writers of Sonic Battle and Sonic X clearly gave a hoot about characterization, while the writers of all other Sega material do not.
Unfortunately, though, the Sonic X writers (arguably) more than anyone gradually degraded Knuckles' character as the show went along. He started out as his usual cool self, then by the end of the series was nothing more than a hotheaded buffoon used for comic relief. At least, that's how things seemed to me.
I'd have to agree with PC on that one, Knux's personality on Sonic X just got out of hand
personally I think it should be a balance of the 2 - have him cool and calculating in a situation he can handle, but then he gets more aggressive [emphasis on it being in a serious tone] when things get a lot tougher.
Yea ia gree with that however Knuckles rash and slighlty dumb attitude did make me laugh sometimes.
Yeah, he got a bit too goofy in Sonic X.
Huh. Reading this topic has just made me realise how similar Knuckles in Sonic X, and Brock from the Pokemon anime are. Both are very grounded and calm characters who go crazy under stress. I guess it's a bit of a stereotypical character.
I thought Brock was just a dang skirtchaser with occasion moments of clarity.
~Tobe
I luved Brock, lol.
Yeah, I've always made the connection of Brock with Knuckles.
Except for the whole girl chasing thing =P.
Both of them are pretty mature, strong, and calm - with tendencies to get real mad.
What I want to know is, when did Knuckles become Sonic other sidekick(according to Sonic 2006 profiles)? Ugh, I never thought of him being chummy or a helper to Sonic. I thought of him being a rival who at times thought Sonic was trouble or immature, which early episodes Sonic X actually did a good job of portraying him that way.
Well he was. Remember his theme?
Don't approve of him but got to trust him. This alliance has a purpose, this partnership is only temparary.
I honestly thought Sega had got around to admitting it again with Sonic RIVALS having Knux in it...
Guess not. Darn Sonic NEXT... I hate you.
Gotta love the old days with all the rival tension.
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when did Knuckles become Sonic other sidekick(according to Sonic 2006 profiles)?
Officially: Sonic Heroes
Unofficially: Sonic Adventure 2 with the whole "side" stuff.
Heh, that line is one of my faves from his theme @ Craig
If Knuckles is in Rivals why arent they rivals how does that work craig?
I loved Knux in Sonic Adventure, he was portrayed exactly how I think he should be, brave, dutiful, strong willed, and a bit naive. Recently he's mostly been a running joke, much like Amy, though I don't know how he's portrayed in Rivals or Sonic 2k6.
I haev a feeling he will be like his Sbattle type in Rivals. I dont know why i think that but i loved his Sbattle form really over the edge.
Hmm let's see Knux in SA was just right IMO. SA2 works too, but Heroes on the TS intro....he's totally OoC. Makes me laugh actually. He was such a pest in S3 and continued to be a somewhat diversion in SA. I really liked that. He was pretty much like that in Battle too. I like him when he's in character, one of my favorites actually.
Knuckles had the best charectar in Sonic Adventure.
I love the way they portrayed him!
Unlike Sonic, he was calm and brave. His whole persona totally fit his title of "Guardian".
The way he said all the tough talk to Chaos was awesome too.
Man, I can't explain it >_<, but something about his attitude, outlook, and overall maturity really made me love his story, you know?
He says that it's his lifelong duty to guard the Master Emerald at all costs. Yet he nowadays happily strolls off with Sonic. Yeah, he went with Sonic and Co. in SA2 to the Ark, but I liked the way the Master Emerald actually was worked into the story, and eventually ended up being a vital factor towards the end. They're not even making up excuses anymore for Knuckles not to be on Angel Island. I mean in Sonic 06, he enters the story by delivering a message from Eggman, whom he seen on the outskirts of Soleanna. So that means he wasn't even on Angel Island beforehand...
Considering how much his personality bounces around, I'd be surprised if even Sonic Team knows what kind he has.
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He says that it's his lifelong duty to guard the Master Emerald at all costs. Yet he nowadays happily strolls off with Sonic. Yeah, he went with Sonic and Co. in SA2 to the Ark, but I liked the way the Master Emerald actually was worked into the story, and eventually ended up being a vital factor towards the end. They're not even making up excuses anymore for Knuckles not to be on Angel Island.
Well, Knuckles is a popular character and is wanted in the games. You can't use the Master Emerald as a plot device everytime. It'll get stale.
You don't need to use it as a plot device, but some sort of explanation as to why he's not doing his solemnly sworn duty and instead dicking around with Sonic and co. would be nice, don't you think?
Well, Knuckles is a popular character and is wanted in the games.
People also wanted Shadow in the games and look how they turned out.
in SA2 has anyone noticed how the master merald 9in last story) shrinks to the size of his hand and then a second later its full size? its a dumb excuse but maybe he carries it around in his pocket and has the power to change its size. I kno its dumb but its the only explanation
You don't need to use it as a plot device, but some sort of explanation as to why he's not doing his solemnly sworn duty and instead dicking around with Sonic and co. would be nice, don't you think?
I seriously doubt that Knuckles is away from the emerald every single day. Unless of course Eggman has a new world conquering scheme everyday.
I didn't say he was away everyday, but as someone's already pointed out, Knuckles wasn't anywhere near the Master Emerald when Eggman showed up on the scene, and was just wandering around Soleanna completely without explanation.
It strikes me as completely OOC that Knuckles would leave the ME alone for a jaunt to the cityespecially since he had no idea anything was going on until Eggman approached him. He apparently just spontaneously decided to leave the ME completely unprotected and take a walk into town.
Well, my theory is that he's trying to find himself. And for that he needs to leave the island.
Or maybe Tails installed fancy security to protect the M.E.
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Well, Knuckles is a popular character and is wanted in the games. You can't use the Master Emerald as a plot device everytime. It'll get stale.
This Knuckles fan would have absolutely no problem with using the M.E. as a plot device everytime. It would not get stale. It would mean that Knuckles is actually being used in character. Saying that having the M.E. (and Angel Island for that matter) around when Knuckles is concerned would be "stale" is like saying that having Eggman attempting to take over the world is "stale." Saying that something that's supposed to be germane to a character would be "stale" is silly.
Until Sega gives a reasonable explanation as to why Knuckles is not guarding the M.E., they're just using him out of character as fan service. It's extremely annoying to me. Fan explanations as to "why" mean absolutely nothing because by the same token someone could say anything that they choose is accurate about a character because "we don't see them everyday." ;p
At least Sonic X gave semi-plausible reasons for what Knuckles did 80% of the time that anyone would be hard-pressed to say was out of character. They also had Knuckles away from Angel Island most of the time, and even the M.E. at times.
Yeh, but the whole Sonic turning Super sonic to defeat a huge enemy has gotten stale for many people...
I think it'd be best if they just gave one conclusive answer as to why Knux isn't guarding the M.E. anymore, instead of having one excuse after another.
Something like..."Since Chaos returned to his calm state, the Master Emerald doesn't require protection any longer" or something like that...
People complain about Super Sonic because they want to be able to use Super Sonic in the stages, just like S3&K (as an example). If they could use Super Sonic in the stages, 99.9% of the complaints concerning Super Sonic for the final boss would cease. ;p
I know I'd stop complaining. I miss the days when you could blast through the stages with Super Sonic. It'd make it a lot easier to meet the time constraints for emblems.
I complain for the sole fact that a last story featuring Super whoever has gotten insanely repetitive and boring that it's lost some of whatever 'epic factor' it once had. I wouldn't mind just having a Sonic game where he never has to go Super at all. It make the final boss seem more interesting in that respect with him being substantially weaker then instantly powering him every single time.
If Super Sonic was accessible during the acts, BUT the final boss didn't incoporate him, THAT would be cool.
Or like in S3&K, the "true" final boss isn't accessible until you aquire the seven rings from the STAGES, not some random cutscene where they pop out from a frog or a bird or a plane...
ANYWAY, this has little to do with Knuckles and I apologize for steering us off course >_< <smacks head>
Fact o' the matter is: Repetition is only good when each time it's repeated there's different things to do in it.
Fer example:
Repeatedly having Super Sonic in normal stages = Good
Having Knux complain about leaving the master emerald for one reason or another = annoying.
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Repetition is only good when each time it's repeated there's different things to do in it.
Besides the fact that this is only opinion, both of your examples would contain "different things to do in it" unless every single game is going to be the exact same levels (which would also negate your Super Sonic example).
It's easier to just say that the fact that Knuckles' sworn duty to protect the M.E. doesn't concern you at all (because you don't like it or that part of him or whatever reason), or that you're only concerned about gameplay & not the story. That's much more accurate than to say that acknowledging one of Knuckles' main character traits is bad thing (unless you don't like that part of him--which is fine, but be honest, especially when talking to one of his biggest fans here ;p).
No! I actually love the ME story. I honestly wish they'd make a 3D Sonic game that only takes place on Angel Island!
BUT - what I mean by "repitition with different things in it-" is that the Super Sonic stages in SA, SA2, and SH were undeniably similar, thus annoyingness.
Super Sonic in any zone would be different since you'd have soo much more freedom, instead of "HIT THE BAD GUY!ogmz"
I'd rather they end the story of ME than not talk about it, you know? I love the idea and all, but the fact that they're carelessly forgetting about it makes me frusterated. ..
I remember in SA in super Sonics story i vistsed all 10 levels to try and get 50 rings and become super 
. Anyway i like continuity which rarely happens in Sonic nowdays so I would like to se somethign about the ME again and not just let him leave it randomly.
Zactly ^
I'm very sorry that you went through all that in SA =(
He went from calm and focused to total hot head at the drop of a coin. I think they did that to make him...i dunno. Funny? I mean it is laughingly ridiculous the way he runs into obvious traps. Or believe anything Eggman might say.
And is he even guarding the M.E anymore? I mean I see him spending more time away from Angel Island, all I can figure is that Sega is slowly trying to draw the M.E out of focus as a plot point. Thus giving Knuckles nothing better to do than fall in behind Tails as sidekick number 2.
He beleived everything Eggman said even when he was supposebly calm and focused.
Yes thats true. But now It just seems worse. What is Knuckles now? Just Sidekick number 2? At least when he was ACTUALLY guarding the Master Emerald he had an identity outside of sidekick.
Yes, he's currently side-kick number 2. Acid even pointed out somewhere that the profiles for Sonic The Hedgehog 2006 said something similar. **shrugs**
I wouldn't say Knuckles "believed everything Eggman said." He fell for Eggman's tricks ONCE in S3&K, having never met him before. After that, it happened in SA, and then it became sort of a joke, especially in Sonic Advance 2 and Sonic X. Unless I'm missing something, that's the way it went.
Personally, I just think Knuckles is being more proactive in defending Angel Island and the Master Emerald. He's no longer waiting for Eggman to show up and attempt to steal the gem; the instant Eggman starts something, Knuckles gets out there to punch first, ask questions later, which, in my opinion, isn't entirely out of character.
That said, I'd like the ME to at least get MENTIONED every now and again.
