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(@d-b-vulpix)
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I guess they feel there is no point in mentioning the M.E. if it is not a plot point.

 
(@crazy-cham-lea_1722585730)
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That said, I'd like the ME to at least get MENTIONED every now and again.


Well, there's the whole last bit of Sonic Advance 3, as well as a brief mention of the island in Heroes...

 
(@d-b-vulpix)
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So how many of you would want to re do the "Find the missing emerald shards" Mission? Because no matter how you approach it...kinda seems like the M.E. can only be used for two purposes. To activate stuff, and to break into tiny shards for Knuckles to find.

 
(@sailor-rose-dust)
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So how many of you would want to re do the "Find the missing emerald shards" Mission?

So long as it's set up like it was in SA1, I don't care. I actually enjoyed those hunting levels. Now, SA2's hunting levels were a nightmare. What possessed Sonic Team to force you to find the shards in a certain order anyway?

 
(@elias5-1991)
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Ooh, I was JUST playin' SA today!
Knuckles had the best levels, IMO.
Maan, I would love it if they brought back the ME Hunting Levels.
Of course, if they did it a 3rd time, it would be pretty lame =P. Maybe instead of hunting M.E. shards, he'd be looking for something else, like treasure?

I dunno - I just really loved Knuckle's SA levels. Especially Sky Deck x3

 
(@d-b-vulpix)
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I guess a new twist could be added to Knuckles' story......buuuuut then again. That probably wouldn't be healthy. Not for fans who like Knuckles' history just the way it is. And for people who just want to keep him simple.

 
(@true-red_1722027886)
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Treasure hunting rocked in SA & SA2. SA2's only knock is definitely the whole "find the shards in order"-stuff. I for usually didn't need the radar too much because in all honesty, they basically put them in the same few different spots. It was only the bigger levels that finding them began to pose a real challenge to me.

They've already said that Knuckles is a treasure hunter as of SA2. That's an established part of his persona whether anyone likes it or not. If they just expounded upon that while explaining what's up with the M.E. & Angel Island, I'd be semi-satisfied. If they actually provide a good air-tight reason, I'll be satisfied or maybe even pleased. That's why I think they're just lazy with story because it's not that difficult to come up with plausible reasons if they tried--they've laid the ground work, but they don't use it and instead go with the general "we'll just put him the game because he's relatively popular." ;p

 
(@sailor-rose-dust)
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That was other thing that aggravated me about SA2's hunting levels. The later ones were so darn big. Even in SA1, the later levels were pretty much confined to one general area.

Hasn't it been shown that Knuckles can change the size of the ME? If that's true, then what's to stop Knuckles from shrinking it to pocket-size and carrying it with him? The only problem I can see with that would be Angel Island falling.

 
(@sonic332)
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Yeah, I'd thought of that too. But he gave it to Sonic in Sonic Battle. Maybe he could have Chaos hold the island up or something.

 
(@d-b-vulpix)
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Chaos is still around? I thought he was was with Tikal in the great beyond. And the large treasure hunting levels. Like Pumpkin Hill. Were visually impressive. But were annoying to pla through because finding the shards was hard in such a large space.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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Chaos is living in the Master Emerald again, though most assume that his appearance in Sonic Battle was parody, given that the Master Emerald non-sensically breaks apart again.

Annoyingly, you can't count Battle as canon, anyway. Even if the DIMPS games are the only ones which have any connection to the whole... you know... Angel Island, Master Emerald and guardian stuff.

I miss DIMPS ;.;

 
(@erika-the-ocelot)
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Whatisthis Battle is not canon? Since when?? Noooooooooo! ;o;
I think Chaos is just hanging around with the Chao, why would he be living inside the Master Emerald again? o_O

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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Because, if Sonic Battle is to be believed, Chaos broke out of the Master Emerald (thusly shattering it) when the Death Egg was launched, as "Chaos appears at times of great danger"

Given the fact that the two biggest Sonic plot devices were used simaltaneously (Death Egg and shattering emerald), it's easy to imagine this being a work of self-parody in order to get Chaos in the game.

I do believe Battle is canon, but due to it's release date and all, it's hard to imagine a storyline like that being "do not place in continuity until 2006", it'd be like saying the Zelda games have a continuity.

 
(@cyberknux_1722585730)
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Does it actually say that he broke out of the emerald again, though? It's been a while, but I don't remember it saying anything more than the "he appears at times of great danger" line. Was it said in the japanese official playguide that he reemerged from the ME? I've not read anything about that (Sonic Battle's) particular guidebook.

His return in Battle doesn't make any sense if he's... ascended to heaven with Tikal (he's not dead, why not let him stay and live a peaceful life with the Chao now he's been put at peace?) but I always liked to imagine that in Battle, instead of coming out of the ME, he emerged from a slumber in the ice of the Holy Summit arena.

 
(@sonic332)
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They never said he returned to the emerald OR broke out of it. I just played the game, they just say he APPEARS. And the ME doesn't shatter till quite a bit after Chaos appears. I thought he just went away to some unspecified location. I mean, it's not like he's going to ditch his job guarding the Chao just because he got carried away.

 
(@sailor-rose-dust)
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Why would Chaos need to protect the Chao now? The Chao no longer live in one single spot; they're spread out everywhere. You had a Chao in Station Square, Mystic Ruins, the Egg Carrier, and who knows where else. Plus they're friendly with humans, so it's not really practical for Chaos to have to protect the Chao anymore.

 
(@true-red_1722027886)
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It doesn't matter that the chao are spread out. If Chaos' duty was to protect the chao, then that's what he's going to do. Knowing that the chao were "okay" is basically what calmed him down in SA. I think he'd still feel that watching over the chao in general is his duty. That's what I took away from his appearing at times of crisis to mean: that he'll appear when he feels that chao (as a whole) are in danger.

I'm also in the camp that believes that Chaos did not return to the Master Emerald after SA because he was trapped in it due to being on a rampage. I don't think there is any reason for Chaos to be in it anymore.

If someone has a translation of his Sonic Channel profile to shed light on his situation, that'll be good though. ^^

 
(@d-b-vulpix)
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I don't get how chao are " Artificially intelligent, virtually generated lifeforms" if they exsisted even back in Tikal's time. So does that mean there are "real" chao and "artificial" chao?

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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It could just mean that the "artificially intelligent, virtually generated lifeforms" quip is breaking the fourth wall a little. Think about it, I think you'll agree: it would make sense.

 
(@d-b-vulpix)
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You may need to explain this to me.

 
(@true-red_1722027886)
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"Breaking the fourth wall" basically means to directly tell us (the audience of the video game) that what we're playing/seeing isn't real. In general, the audience is supposed to consider everything to be "real" and everything that's said is treated as such. However in certain shows in particular, characters will explicitedly tell the viewers that they're either watching something that isn't real or somehow talk to the viewers. That's considered "breaking the fourth wall."

As far as the video games go, chao are real. Though, yes, it's probably possible to "make" chao if someone wants to look at the quote in that manner.

 
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