Sega seems to have avoided having a direct one-on-one confrontation between Knuckles and Shadow, unlike all the ones they have had seperately against Sonic. Since both characters debuted to such fanfare (the squeals of little kids everywhere trying to argue that Knuckles / Shadow was better than the series hero), it warrants some thought.
Scoreboard "___ Vs Sonic" (not counting Sonic Battle - too complicated)
Knuckles Vs Sonic - W: 0 L: 1
Knuckles has never achieved a victory over Sonic in battle. Sonic had Knuckles on the verge of defeat once in Sonic 3, and in all likelyhood would have won until Eggman tried to steal the Master Emerald. All other battles were considered draws, or Sonic was victorious because Knuckles was handicapped by being forced to rely completely on a machine and not his skills.
Shadow Vs Sonic - W: 0 or (1)* L: 1
Shadow achieved one victory over Sonic, but this win is not only strongly tainted by Sonic being handicapped by his partner Diablon, *there is strong reason to dispute that the fight even took place; since Shadow's game allowed players to choose their own path, several of which excluded this fight. Shadow also had a very decisive one-on-one defeat by Sonic in Adventure 2, unlike how Knuckles was only brought to the verge of defeat in Sonic 3. All other battles were considered draws.
Skills
Shadow's speed and other abilities rivals Sonic's quite well, with the addition of his mastery of Chaos Control powers with Chaos Emeralds. He is also not above using any means necessary and has decisively defeated several powerful foes including Black Doom and Silver.
Knuckles is said to be as strong as Sonic is fast, this fact is probably what has allowed him to fight Sonic to a draw in battles. Additionally, he is a highly skilled martial artist, can climb up surfaces and glide long distances in the air, and can command the Master Emerald to nullify the Chaos Emeralds' power.
I think they are pretty even on just about everything. Their battles against Sonic don't seem to indicate a clear advantage either way. Judgeing from his experience with Sonic, Knuckles would clearly hold his own from Shadow's speed onslaught. He may even have the advantage of knowing what to expect from Shadow from these Sonic fights. As a power character, Knuckles is also stronger than Shadow. And he would undoubtedly use the Master Emerald to take away Shadow's Chaos Control abilities (even if Shadow doesn't need Emeralds to use them, it's likely to still affect them just the same because it is still using the same energies). This leaves Shadow's biggest advantage being what he would resort to doing to win. Would it be in Shadow's character to use a weapon in a fight against someone who wouldn't? Also would Shadow be able to differentiate his fighting style from Sonic enough so Knuckles doesn't predict his every move? What do you think cause I don't know.
You forgot SA1, it's easy to imagine that Sonic defeated Knuckles during that one, even though there's no clear victor, two of the three scenarios end with Knuckles losing.
Actually I counted that as a draw, there is no clear winner as indicated by the cutscene directly after it. Same to Sonic Vs Shadow in the forest. Most Sonic Vs Knuckles / Sonic Vs Shadow battles where the player controls both sides is probably a draw, except the final Sonic Vs Shadow in SA2 (the story cannot proceed the way it did if Sonic did not win). Also any battle where one controlled by a player and the other is only controlled by the CPU probably has the player win, like in Sonic Triple Trouble's Sonic Vs Knuckles in a submarine. (Either of these two rules can be undone in the cutscene afterward like in Sonic 06 obviously)
If you're counting uncertainties, then Sonic/Diablon is an unclear victory. Infact, as the Final scenario of Shadow begins on the comet with Doom angry at Shadow and Sonic siding with him, it's safe to assume that Shadow versus Doom on the comet is the true path.
Oops you're right. I should have documented that it is questionable as to even happening in the first place. I'll fix it.
I think the Sonic/Diablon fiight is noncanon. Actually I wish the whole Shadow game was noncanon, espically since it's unclear which path to the true ending but that's besides the point. Shadow has a distinch advantage with the use of chaos power, something he has become more adept since his fight with Sonic. Knuckles is also a martial artist, but I have a feeling use his head. Shadow, however, is cunning and ruthless. To be honest, I don't know who exactly would win, but I think Shadow has major advantages over Knux.
Shadow and Knuckles fought in Sonic X, remember? Shadow won, I don't remember how but it was one awesome fight (that whole episode was made of win).
Yeah. Shadow ran first encounter, Knuckles booted him through a wall and Shadow was all ARE YOU ASKING FOR A CHALLAAAAAAAAAAANGE and took him out in a single spin attack.
If that episode wasn't so full of action, I'm sure it would have been a fair speed vs power fight.
@ sonic san. This was my next topic. I was going to post this soon. Seems that you beat me to it.
^Really. I don't recall that fight. I pretty much remember every scene, or at least have a vauge remembrance of it. I don't remember that one. But seeing as it was Sonic X, (they only focus on the hedgehogs in that series, ESPECIALLY SONIC) That's why Shadow won. All other characters are only tag-alongs.
Both Shadow and Knuckles can go toe-to-toe in a fight. Knuckles has fought Sonic before. And since Shadow and Sonic have somewhat the same stats, you can easily compare them to how Shadow and Knuckles's fight would turn out. But the fact that they never actually fought each other before, i'm not intirely sure who would win. I would like Knuckles to win, but seeing as it is Shadow...
According to Sonic Heroes: Knuckles would win easily since Power characters can easily defeat Speed characters. lol
But I'm sure Shadow has the cliched moments of overpower-ment. 😛
I would believe that if Knuckles used the power of the Master Emerald then he could beat Shadow who has chaos energy flowing through him.
Is it possible that Knuckles could prevent Sonic and Shadow from going super? (since the Master Emerald supposedly has the power to negate the chaos emeralds' energy) If he can do this, he strips Sonic and Shadow of their trump card. And in Shadow's case maybe a lot more.
sorry Chao, great minds think alike right? 
in that episode of Sonic X, Shadow's goal is to kill Cosmo which brings him into conflict with Knuckles. The fight is short, mostly consisting of Knuckles saving Cosmo and Tails from Shadow's spin attack by grabbing him while he's still spinning and throwing him through the ceiling. I'm alittle hazy on whether or not Shadow made a quick counter attack to knock Knuckles down and then continued chase or just ran after them without it, but Knuckles was not defeated and was about to race after Shadow when Rouge stopped him with a mighty barage of... talking. The confrontation (it doesn't even get to be called a fight) had no conclusion and I see it as further proof of the avoidance of a true Knuckles Vs Shadow fight.
After Knuckles stopped the spin attack Shadow bounces off of all the walls and plows into Knuckles, effectively defeating him.
Rouge talks to him after their first encounter when Shadow ran.
ok found a clip of the episode on YouTube (it was cut up to make a music video) and Shadow does a pretty strong counter attack. since it only features Shadow, I still don't know how long it took Knuckles to recover, but the Sonic X continuity does seem to give the nod to Shadow (I must have missed his counter attack when I saw it on TV because I didn't remember anything past Knuckles throwing him). One last thing, although this does help the pro-Shadow arguement, it is still set in a different continuity than the games.
of course the Sonic X continuity would nod to Sonic and Shadow in any fight they are the main characters. >> At this point I think nobody of the main cast can actually BEAT or match Sonic or Shadow ever. Not even in the games. They are the strongest characters in the series and thats that.
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Shadow and Knuckles fought in Sonic X, remember? Shadow won, I don't remember how but it was one awesome fight (that whole episode was made of win).
Episode #73.
Oh yes that episode was made of win. I first saw it when I bought the "season 6" set and found out that I had missed all the good stuff when it was on TV. I saw it from when Tails shot out Shadow. I had no clue I had missed out on such great Knux/Shadow awesomeness.
Shadow > everyone else in terms of power, especially on Sonic X. Sonic just beats when he absolutely needs to do it. I don't think anyone else will be allowed to do that really.
Theres a gigantic flaw in my theory. I forgot that the M.E. can think for itself and has a will. Knuckles could only use the M.E. if it agreed to neutrilize the Chaos Emeralds.
So..besides Tikal and Chaos. Is there supposed to be some kind of deity or god living inside the M.E.? Or is that giant green rock supposed to be a god in of itself?
A friend of mine told me he thinks the M.E. is just a vessel that holds larges amounts of knowledge. Like a Spiritual Library.
The ME does seem to have a will of its own to an extent. Since it has never shown that it can deny its powers to anyone who wants to use it (such as Eggman in S&K), it probably couldn't say no if Knuckles invoked it neutralizing powers on the Chaos Ems (and that is presuming it would want to, but there doesn't seem to be a reason for it to want that).
As for the rest of your 'what is the ME' stuff, objects that have a will of their own are not uncommon in Japanese fiction. Just check the InuYasha series - almost every sword has a will of its own.
Knuckles vs. Shadow would definitely be an awesome fight. In regards to that Sonic X episode, that wasn't really a battle; Shadow just stunned Knuckles and left. Since Rouge basically got in the way of Knuckles going after Shadow, we didn't see what might have happened had the battle been allowed to continue.
The whole concept is one that a lot of fans would like to see: Knuckles and Shadow have each gone toe-to-toe with Sonic and ended up tying with him, so how would it work if they took each other on? Granted, Shadow is a much more aggressive fighter than Sonic, but Knuckles isn't liable to be held back by the tiny voice whispering "this guy I'm about to punch is my friend." I just hope we'll eventually get to see this, although Sonic Rivals makes it look like a distinct possiblity.
All I can say is, Knuckles has the power to neutralize chaos energy which would drastically level the playing field in his favor but has never had a reason to do so. Since usually Chaos energy + hedgehog = good thing.
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In regards to that Sonic X episode, that wasn't really a battle; Shadow just stunned Knuckles and left. Since Rouge basically got in the way of Knuckles going after Shadow, we didn't see what might have happened had the battle been allowed to continue.
Knux & Shadow confronted each other twice in that episode. The first time, Shadow just avoided Knux and Rouge's appearance slowed Knux down. The second time, Knux stopped Shadow from taking out Tails & Cosmo. As a result, Shadow knocked him out. Rouge caught up with Knux again, but she wasn't stopping him from going after Shadow. Tails had shot Shadow out of the Blue Typhoon by then.
Maybe, True Red, but I find it unlikely that Shadow would have won so easily had Knuckles really gotten into a battle with him. Given that he's gotten most of what Shadow can dish out from Sonic-minus Chaos Spear-Knuckles would probably be able to fight Shadow to a draw, or maybe even beat him since we haven't seen who would win if a Sonic vs. Knuckles fight ever reached its conclusion. Of course, this is probably another of those scenarios that'll either never happen or never be resolved.
I think Shadow would have won. Sega doesn't want their hedgehogs loosing to secondary characters. Especially Shadow. Sonic can loose to Knuckles because he's partly a goofball. Shadow is all attitude and emo and is supposed too badass to loose to someone like Knuckles.
I totally adore Knux, but there's no way in anything other than Archie that Knux would be allowed to beat Sonic or Shadow. The best that he'd ever accomplish would be a draw, unless there was a major impediment (such as fighting in water) created to benefit Knux.
"The best that he'd ever accomplish would be a draw, unless there was a major impediment (such as fighting in water) created to benefit Knux."
Shadow would still find a way to win. You know that SEGA would come up with one. ;D
Batman would still find a way to win. You know that DC would come up with one. ;D
Oh dear Ged.
It's happening...
We're becoming Comic Book Nerds.
Yaaay
"Supaman versas da Inquedible Hulk... SUPAMAN WINS;
Spidaman versas da Human Torch from da Fantastic Foua..."
Adult Swim on Cartoon Network, home of dubbed anime with d*mn, h*ll, and p*ss as part of the regular vocabulary
Shadow: "Biters"
Also to those who say Sega wouldn't let Knuckles beat Shadow, that is not necessarily true. After all in Heroes, power characters like Knuckles were best to fight speed characters like Shadow. And Omega, a character lower than Knuckles, is described as being able to defeat Shadow.
