This is Shadow we're talking about.... not a human. The gun he was firing was an automatic in the trailor.
Trust me, it's not an AK. Still, it might as well be considering how big it is on him.
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Guns? What, are they trying to spoff Conker?
Unless the game is funny and/or full of profane lowbrow humor. It can't be a Conker spoof. But if you ask over half of the people who have posted on this topic so far, a giant singing pile of crap would fit in nicely with this game!! 
But anyways. seeing that nobody seems to want to like this game,is it because you just think Shadow should die or that Sonic Team should die? Or because Shadow just dosen't seem good enough to have his own game?
A better view. It's more than just a pistol.
Actually, it looks like a submachine gun. But definitely not an AK47.
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seeing that nobody seems to want to like this game
I liked Shadow's character, but only when it was put to use in SA2. I think it did its job, after finding out who and what he was... and after knowing that a character has passed on, in a self-sacrificing bit of heroism and that they'll never come back... it's one of thoes moments where you truely care. His appearing in Heroes served no purpose, other than making fans go ''WHEE! MORE SHADOW!1!''
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is it because you just think Shadow should die or that Sonic Team should die?
I think the character served its purpose in SA2, as for Sonic Team dying... what?
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Or because Shadow just dosen't seem good enough to have his own game?
In all honesty, I'm pretty much against any back-up character having their own game, because nine times out of ten, the game ends up sucking horribly.
XD When I said Sonic Team should die. I meant, should Sonic Team blow away and stop making games because they aren't good?
Screw this. I'm quitting the Sonic fandom.
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When I said Sonic Team should die. I meant, should Sonic Team blow away and stop making games because they aren't good?
Ah! Okay. Well, Sonic Team's being reassimilated into Sega, so the company exists in name only now. (I checked the site, they're moving back to Sega.jp) I don't think the people who worked under the banner will stop making games, though. I don't think the development group should die. They DO make good games, awesome in fact, though like Sega itself, has hits and misses.
What program are you using to open this in? I can't get it to work with Quicktime or RealOne and both are updated properly-all I get is audio, no video whatsoever. Any suggestions?
EDIT: Nevermind, thanks to DB's post(www.gamespot.com/news/200...0012.html) which was locked unfortunately, I used the link she provided and it's working flawlessly.
Rather than posting a joke or over-reacting, I have calmly downloaded the entire movie and watched with an open mind...
NOW I shall over-react
I HAAAAATE THAT HEDGEHOG!
He stole my childhood... SO I SHALL STEAL HIS GUN!
*Snatches it and turns it on himself, dying instantly, rather than being a sissy like "Jack" from Fight Club and living*
Woah... O.o;
I dunno how to react. The teeny tiny little itsy-bitsy small nano-size miniscule Shadow fangirl in me is rather exited. The action/speed/gamer fangirl in me is thrilled by the trailer... but...
It's got potential, but Shadow-- Using a gun?? And Sega/Sonic Team's more recent 3D games have been... not exactly the greatest things they've ever created.
In a nutshell, it's caught my attention... but I'm still worried.
Oookayy......
Well, I honestly did not see this coming. I mean, Shadow got his own game?!
However, the vid looks...interesting. I admit, the gun's a little weird, and two smaller pistols would have been better suited, but there's not much we can do. Assuming this is real (and I think it is), I'll still give it a go. I've played every next-gen Sonic game besides Mega Collection and MG+, and I'll play this one, too.
I'll probably rent it before I buy it, though =P
Waitaminute. It's not even a lazer gun, but one that shoots bullets? Looks like we gonna get first "T" rated Sonic game(Sans Sonic). Why a gun? Lots of kids like to play the Sonic games, and I find guns to be very inapproriate in a game that will attract alot of kids (unless it's a laser-beam gun, or shoots some wacky stuff like glue or punching gloves, or something cartoony, y'know.)
Well, I'm going to E3 this year as I do every year, so I'll give you my opions on the game then.
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My god!! There are other gun-platform games announced!!
Tak and the power of a 9 millimeter.
Ty the Tazmainian Terrorist.
Crash Bandicoot 5: Crash caps Coco.
Super Monkey Buckshot.
And last but not least.......
GRAND THEFT MARIO!!!
Oh great it's Shadow's "TOTALLY NOT INSPIRED BY RATCHET AND CLANK" Adventures with Sidearms.
Here's my advice to you, Sonic Team. Take a blade about 2 feet long and razor sharp and commit seppeku. You have dishonored your family, your clan and my eyeballs for the last time.
Thinking it over, the premise could be interesting - Shadow's got more than enough reason to want to bring down GUN. However, he's also got more than enough firepower on his own to do so without resorting to weaponry. He's the Ultimate Lifeform, not Vincent sodding Valentine.
UGH. Can people PLEASE stop ripping off Devil May Cry/FF7?
That said, a 30-odd hour game with Shadow's dub voice? Mmmmmmm...
How is it a rip-off of FF7? The Vincent spin-off game is a blatant Devil May Cry rip-off. You can't rip-off a rip-off and the original at the same time.
The weirdest thing about that vid was seeing them purposely juxtapose the bright colourful world of Sonic with Shadow's dark, gritty, angst on skates world of dar|<ne55. If that was supposed to indicate some kind of progression, it was lost on me.
I'm not bothered about whether Shadow comes back or stays dead or whatever (his death in SA2 moved me not) and I'd quite like a good spin-off single character game if it means that there'll be a consistant gameplay style throughout for once.
I don't know what to make of this thing though.
The gun is so out of nowhere that I can't help but think it's a joke.
* just wakes up, turn on PC, goes to ign, looks at Shadow going Jak 2, drinks some coffee to make sure I not dreaming*
Shadow the game
Repent your sins the end is upon us.
Just kidding. The game looks more like the Jak games (God in heaven I hope they dont give Shadow a sidekick that crack jokes). I wonder if Rouge and Omega appear in the game or maybe the is a prequel with Shadow being GUN weapon of mass destruction (that would explain the gun).I willing to give the game a chance. I mean a lot of people hate Wind Waker because it look cartoon like instead of the previous games more mature like but when they play game they fell in love with it.
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How is it a rip-off of FF7? The Vincent spin-off game is a blatant Devil May Cry rip-off. You can't rip-off a rip-off and the original at the same time.
Chain of rip-offing. Shadow -> FF7: DoC -> DMC (and DMC2). And the Shadow game is almost certainly going to have huge elements of both of them.
FF7: DoC = rip-off of DMC. Shadow = almost certainly going to rip off Dirge of Cerberus, or at least the general premise. Both he and Vincent are virtually identical (stasis, memories, losing loved ones, being twisted by their creators), so it stands to reason.
I'm willing to bet good money that the minute DoC was announced, Sonic Team jumped on the idea.
[EDIT - It couldn't possibly be a prequel to SA2, because Shadow had never been awoken until SA2, and even his fake memories say that he was put into stasis immediately after the ARK palaver.]
So...well this is it really isnt it? Unless Sonic DS is the greatest Sonic game ever, then....well...thats it.
A few weeks ago I had planned to do a 'Shadow Adventure' hoax, using ut2k4 to model the maps and show some brief gameplay. I was of course going to remove the guns. So I log on this morning and find people screaming "SHADOW! HE'S GOT A GUN! IN HIS OWN GAME!" and I think to myself "Have I blacked out for several days and...this is what I made?!" but then watch the trailer and realise that unless I cut my hands off, I couldnt make something as bad.
What market research led to this? "What do you want to see in the next Sonic game?"
-I want Sonic not to be in it. At all.
-I want it to be just as graphically poor as Sonic Heroes, if not worse!
-It's got to be about Shadow! The angst!
-The enemies have to be mutants! MUTANTS R KEWL!
and finally
-Shadow totally has to have a gun. Not a laser gun mind. I mean some real heat.
So anyway, part of me died today. I can only hope Sega dies now and licenses out all of its properties to other companies. I think thats the only way we'll ever see good games of our favourite franchises again.
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-It's got to be about Shadow! The angst!
A huge proportion of the teen female Sonic fandom would have said that word for word. >-<
Does someone know what the energy bars on the top do?.Since I can't download the trailer, I know one of must be the life bar but the other one.
Er, I'm back to tell everyone about IGN's article:
cube.ign.com/articles/594/594565p1.html
Trailer is so hott.
I think it's obvious this could be a huge DMC ripoff which is sad because Shadow can never look as cool as Dante, not by a long shot. If he expects to do slamming combos, big whoop! I can do that in a ton of games now even the lackluster DW series. Wall running? Please...the Prince owns you in all regards...Super powerful form? Oh brother...Dante's looks cooler and he has a sword! Energy blasts? This ain't DBZ and let's not have it like that...
I think this could be a DMC/Prince of Persia ripoff if you ask me...
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The first pic Shadow looks like Yuna from Final Fantasy X-2.
That first picture makes me cry. WHEN DID OUR BEAUTIFUL LITTLE COLOURFUL FURRY CHARACTER SERIES BECOME SO ANGST AND DARK?!
WHY?! WHAT IS THE POINT?!
*Weeps* I want to see a really cute and colourful Sonic game starring Team Jubilee to make up for this ;.;
This could be a good thing, giving Shadow his own game to explain his past, supposed death and return and appeal to all the Shadow-fans without taking up a regular Sonic game to do it (meaning Sonic fans who don't like Shadow can just ignore this). My problem, much like other comments, is that he just looks crap with a gun, even if it was a lazer there's no call for it, what's more the guns themselves look terrible, it'd make more sense to have based a game on Team Dark and have Omega using a gun, one that's built in though.
Nevertheless I'll give this the benefit of the doubt for now and hope this actually turns out ok, I just hope to god that this isn't the game Yuji Naka was talking about in NOM last month, but I highly doubt it isn't.
And Cycle, I don't remember you saying you wanted this but I remember you told me that Amy with guns would be cool 
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"I smoulder with generic rage."
This is very troubling and could potentially do a lot of damage to the strong image the Sonic series has built over the years. I hope that if the project continues there is a drastic overhaul on certain elements, namely Shadow using guns.
Yeah... this is one of those cases where fan-loyalty will be harmful, if everyone who buys Sonic games bought this, how would the company be able to tell how appauled we are, beyond angry letters and bricks through windows?
*Sigh*
So when's pre-ordering opening?
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Ten full stops. And I'd have a face, like an o_o or O_O, but there'd be too many underscores. It'd do a fair bit of table stretching at least.
HOOOLY. FRIGGIN...
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What the crap? What the friggin freshola dinponza SPONGEBOB?!
Guns seem very...very...veeeeery OOC of Shadow. maybe some sort of chaos gun powered by an emerald shard that amplifies chaos energy, but not this. They're not even guns that Shadow would consider using in terms of looks. They're completley plain and ugly, and that's without taking a look at the teeny amount of polygons they seem to have.
...I think I'll watch the trailer thing before I say anything else. *finishes downloading, and watches*
Hmm...Despite the fact I think the guns're a bloody shamble, I like the hovering while shooting thing he's got going, and everything else doesn't look tooooo bad...Hopefully using the gun will be entirley optional, and you might even be able to put it away.
That's it. Right there. That's what I don't like. The fact that in the beginning - until recently, infact - Sonic and his furry friends ran around at ludicrous speeds defeating Eggman and co here and there - with their bare hands {and spikes...and Tails...and hammers...}, defeating the machines. they never used any. Well, apart from Tornado and such, of course, but they're rare exceptions. I like that aspect. Then Tails comes along with his clunky transformer and now Shadow with a gun. Admittedly, the the cyclone{?} wasn't really that bad, but Gamma's levels were better and I'd still prefer to use Tails by himself. I don't mind characters using gadgets here and there, really...Just...You get the point. Just a general rant thing. Back to this game.
I'd have preferred some kicks and punches and chaos energy moves like, or even based on, his SB moveset. Oh well. I just hope it's actually good. Infact...I don't...won't care about the gun stuff if it's fun. That's what matters to me.
...It could also do without putting everything on one button...And the only shiny thing on Shadow's model being the gun and braclets wouldn't be a bad idea either... 
*looks up* Fraggen. That's like my 4th longest post ever. END
My worst fear is that this game will actually be good or at least commercially successful, and Shadow will usurp Sonic as the series' title character.
This would make Buzz Bomber cry.
Anyway, looking at the video I suppose it looks a bit like Sonic Adventure's Sonic levels. I always thought that that would make a much better game than the Sonic Heroes or Sonic Adventure style multi-character whatnot...
It's like a cruel joke - It is a game composed entirely of Sonic levels... Without Sonic.
I suppose I should remain subjective and say that the game could be good and that I'll remain impartial until I see more information about this game (or play it myself), but the enraged splenetic juices erupting from deep within my gut make that a bit difficult to say.
And guns? Why?
...Well, I've had my moan now. I feel better.
I can't believe you guys are so negative about this. Well, I'm back from the mists of time (and work) to point out a few things....
1) It's at least some kind of "Sonic" game. Best of all, it's will probably have dubious continuity like Chaotix, so we will have plenty of things to argue about in the forums.
2) Look, some people, myself included, actually like Shadow. There are people here that love Big, Cream and the Chaotix, so what's wrong with enjoying Shadow. Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean that those who do are fools, or that Sega should "lose money" over this.
3) For years we've been complaining that the Sonic games never fill in enough info on Shadow. Well, obviously this game will tell us SOMETHING. (I hope)
4) Every time Sega gives us something new, we complain that we wanted things to be "old School", just like the Sonic Levels in SA1 and SA2. Now, your first, knee jerk reactions are "Oh my god, uninspired!"
5) We've been complaining that the shooting segments of the recent games have been too slow. Well, now they seem to be a hell of a lot faster.
6) A long time ago, the many fanatic Sonic fans on this very forum admitted that they wanted Shadow in his own series, and not polluting their "Sonic Games." Now he's got his own spinoff, and you guys are acting like some kind of atrocity has been committed.
7) Many believed that Heroes was too light on plot, and the characters weren't serious enough, even by Sonic standards. This is probably Sega's response to that.
Some say the Gun is Too realistic, but you know that others would complain that it was too "Kiddy" if it were any different.
I'm not saying that you have to like it (although it certainly is far too early to hate it). I'm just suggesting that you give it a chance, and respect the large number of Shadow fans that have just widdiled themselves upon seeing this news. It doesn't mean the end of Sonic in any way, it just represents a branching out.
More importantly, rather then grousing about how much you dislike shadow, perhaps we should be discussing the various possibilities presented in the trailer. It does seem odd that they would have mentioned Sonic the Fighters. Perhaps Bark or Bean might be reinvented, or dare we hope, Fang? The Hero or Villan concept is intriguing, but I wonder if there will be a definitive "Cannon" ending?
Arg... @ new screens
Ok... I could not sleep last night but I was racking my brain. I smell a Sonic Cult behind this. Think about it. They've pulled off hoaxes before. They could do it again. Several have been able to hack into SA:DX and Heroes PC version and so some major tweaking. What's stopping anyone from taking it to another level? With knowledge of Studio Max, pulling off something of this caliber is not impossible.
*prays*
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In all seriousness, this had better be what it looks like: A quick, cash-in for Sonic Team while they finish up Phantasy Star Universe.
Dang you Craig and your lightning fast posting skills, you beat me to it, I'll get you next time .
I am unstoppable.
As, it seems, is Shadow's mission to destroy everything I love ;.;
Also, the footage was unleashed at the Walk of Game in San Fransisco.
Unless Sonic CulT have managed to take over Sega's booth and run the hoax video... I'd say this is pretty genuine
Does anyone remember the Knuckles Adventure hoax and how easily that spread EVEN when it was said to be a hoax?
If the Gun is incorporated into the Platform gameplay, like it was in Naughty Dog's excellent Jak 2, then this could be great...
The trick is to let the gun handle itself and just let the player get on with it, just tapping shoot when it's needed.
On the other hand it could bomb, but hopefully, after playing Jak 2 im more optimistic than pesimistic...
But the movie wont load so im going by screens here, trying to get it to work...
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You know what's really sad? That it was announced at an opening of the Walk of Game, where Sonic was recognised largely due to the type of character he is, and what the original games were like.
Then Sega come along and go 'Yo kiddies, here's a cool, updated version of Sonic - to the max! ...With a gun!'.
Thanks DB. I am a Shadow fan, and this looks pretty sweet. Yes, the Gun is a surprise, but it's hardly any more out of character then him "Teaming up" up Rouge and Omega, or worse yet, letting Sonic use his "super powers" alone. Remember, mistake or not, Shadow did try to Kill all of us. Just because we haven't seen him with a gun doesn't mean he's opposed to them.
And I still maintain, most of you are acting like a bunch of Drama Queens. Did you act like this when Knuckles Chaotix came out? Shadow's not replacing Sonic, he's just going along on his own merry way, doing things that wouldn't fit into the normal Sonic Titles.
If I recall, many of you freaked out about Sonic Battle when you first heard about it, and it turned out to be a fine game that stayed true to the series, while providing a surprisingly emotional story.
We're allowed to exaggerate, you know.
Greetings people, this is the apocalypse, Sonic Team have finaly gone insane and we are entering a dark age. WTF are they doing giving Shadow a gun for? he doesnt need one, he has a spindash/Homing atack, Chaos Control, chaos spear, his Sonic Batle moves, why the fricking gun?
I'll reserve judgement untill a Demo or something apears, anyway, for all we know it could be some experimental Chaos gun that he's swiped so he an go postal on GUN for killing Maria
I don't mind thae fact its a Shadow game, realy, as long as it explains why he isn't a crispy fireball after falling from space.
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I'd say Sega stooping low enough to have to change to get recognition from the modern market while turning it's back on fans is one reason to be upset, without being a drama queen.
Perhaps releasing a game which uses the exact same physics and graphics as Sonic Heroes, plus a few attacks and a crappy looking gun which looks alien to the model? No?
What about the fact they are wasting their time creating yet another game which is nothing more than a rehash? Surely we can still be pissed off for that, no one complained last time we ranted about the lack of work Sonic Team are putting in?
Oh! Oh! I know! How about the fact that Shadow can run faster than the bullets he shoots!
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Damn there's so many reasons and believe it or not, Glass, my hatred of the character doesn't even show up on radar. The fact that he's staring files under "selling out"
As I wrote in my journal "they're doing with badass, what they did with "cool" 10 years ago, that I can live with", it's just the fact that they have to whore the Sonic franchise in such a way in order to achieve this result. I mean come on, this is a BLATANT rip of Ratchett & Clank. When did my beloved Sonic, the grand-daddy of fast paced action games, which paved it's own way to history, become nothing more than a cheap copy-cat game which buys in on it's own success?
If they wanted to do that, they should have made a new game with new characters.
I'd have been shooting venom if Billy Hatcher starred Tails, instead of Billy. Not because I dislike Tails, not because I dislike the game Billy Hatcher, but because IT'S NOT SONIC, GEDDANGIT!!!
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2) Look, some people, myself included, actually like Shadow. There are people here that love Big, Cream and the Chaotix, so what's wrong with enjoying Shadow. Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean that those who do are fools, or that Sega should "lose money" over this.
With all due respect, I am, personally, a Shadow fan. Quite a large Shadow fan, I think he's one of the game's best characters, even if a little cliche.
However, Shadow's history, backstory and background are such that if you're going to have a game centred around a being who can control and harness Chaos energy, you do NOT give said being a sodding pistol. You do not send Shadow the Hedgehog - the ULTIMATE LIFEFORM - up against GUN, or whoever, with a pistol when he is perfectly capable of beating the tar out of them with his own gloved fists.
And if they do a cop-out a la Fox's blaster in Starfox Adventures (ie, the bad guys are immune to Chaos power), I'm going to cry.
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3) For years we've been complaining that the Sonic games never fill in enough info on Shadow. Well, obviously this game will tell us SOMETHING. (I hope)
Are you nuts? Sonic Battle gave us plenty to go on. It's just a matter of connecting the dots. Already, we know that Shadow's memories of Maria are fradulent, that he was never awoken or on ARK whatsoever pre SA2, we know the original reason he was created, we know that GUN twisted this and destroyed his purpose... Shadow has the most complete history available out of *any* of the Sonic characters, as confusing as it may be at times.
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7) Many believed that Heroes was too light on plot, and the characters weren't serious enough, even by Sonic standards. This is probably Sega's response to that.
I have always wanted a game involving Shadow confronting his past somewhat, especially after his Battle-long angst trip in which he succeeded in depressing virtually every character in the game, but he does not need a gun to do so. He's the Ultimate Lifeform.
Shadow is cynical, sadistic, cold and ruthless. It seems in this game, he's returning to form, however, I want to see/hear what this plot is *about*. Gameplay doesn't really concern me at this point, as nobody can ever agree on a Sonic game's quality since they went 3D.
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Some say the Gun is Too realistic, but you know that others would complain that it was too "Kiddy" if it were any different.
To be quite frank, if that gun's not cleaned up by the game's release, I'm going to be furious. It looks like it's come off the N64 in some shots, and we all know that the Cube is capable of much more than that.
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We're allowed to exaggerate, you know.
I know. It's just that you guys really are getting awfully dramatic over a handful of screenshots, spouting absurd nonsense about Shadow replacing Sonic and all that rot. Shadow isn't replacing sonic, and never will. Sonic is an institution. Also, they're not presenting us with "Sonic to the Max", because if they were, it would be Sonic with a gun.
Let's face facts, wheather you like it or not, there are some Shadow fans out there. Also, there are some long time sonic fans that still love the series, but feel a tad silly during some of the "Big the Cat" moments. Sega is making a spinoff game, aimed at this market. It's not the end of days. If it's that offensive to you, then obvious you aren't part of the market this game is aimed for. Sorry.
Also, If Tails can use guns (such as the ones on his mech), then Shadow can pack some heat. For all we know, part of the plot is that he's lost his abilities, and he has to get them back. He's lost his memory before, so why not his skills? Of perhaps he's fighting some Shadow clonebots from Heroes, and needs an advantage over them.
Shadowglass. Watch the movie before telling people off, you'll see that the game is Sonic Heroes with a gun if you did, all skills are exactly the same as always.
To be honest, if it was Sonic with the gun I'd be up in arms, but it's not so I'm not.
If this game HAS been in development for 2 years then they were planning this about the same time as Heroes was finishing up, therefore this is what they were working towards with Heroes "I dont know anything" Shadow.
I don't think it's a complete sell out, but it's not perfect.
I just hope there is another PROPER Sonic 3D game coming sometime in the future, but as I said before, I'm happy with this.
And as for ripping of Ratchet and Clank, i think it's far more a rip off the Jak games than those, but that's just my opinion.
