There is no reason whatsoever for Shadow to need guns. He has the Spin Attack just like Sonic...he is faster than Sonic (And probably faster than the bullets)...I think this game could bomb because well...how many games out there have an angsty male lead? Show of hands, who liked the shooting levels of SA2? I hated those levels because they were so un Sonic...if I want guns and inflicting ridiculous amounts of damage on everyone and the enviorment, I'll go play Ratchet and Clank...is Shadow trying to be some sort of silent assasin or what?!
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Also, If Tails can use guns (such as the ones on his mech), then Shadow can pack some heat.
The difference - the very large difference here - is that Tails *needs* to have a weapon. He's not a fighter, like Sonic and Knuckles, and he needs his gun on the Cyclone because to all extents and purposes, he's a fighter pilot when they're faced with Eggman.
Shadow has been genetically enhanced to be able to control Chaos energy without going Super. Sonic can't do that. Not in 1P anyway. He shouldn't have to pack heat, as you say.
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For all we know, part of the plot is that he's lost his abilities, and he has to get them back. He's lost his memory before, so why not his skills?
Oh great. Hedgehog Prime.
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And Swifthom?
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If this game HAS been in development for 2 years then they were planning this about the same time as Heroes was finishing up, therefore this is what they were working towards with Heroes "I dont know anything" Shadow.
Shadow's amnesia was cured in Sonic Battle, remember? Battle was finished before Heroes, but it's still the sequel.
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I mean come on, this is a BLATANT rip of Ratchett & Clank.
If Sega gives Shadow his own sidekick that can cling to his back THEN it will be a Ratchet and Clank rip-off. Or more of a Jak 2/3 rip-off if you count the games darker nature. And the fact that Jak's arsenal pales in comparion to Ratchet's 
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Shadowglass. Watch the movie before telling people off, you'll see that the game is Sonic Heroes with a gun if you did, all skills are exactly the same as always.
I've seen it many times Craig, and I'm not telling people off. I happen to be rather intrigued with where their going with this, and I don't think twenty seconds of video from a game that's half a year from release is enough evidence for you guys to start screaming about the rapture. You'd think the screen shots were of a drunken Shadow defiling Tails the way you chaps are caring on.
The game is still a rough beta. You don't have to like it, or look forward to it. I just think it's silly to despise the game before we have any real info on it, let alone seeing the final build.
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To be honest, if it was Sonic with the gun I'd be up in arms, but it's not so I'm not.
If this game HAS been in development for 2 years then they were planning this about the same time as Heroes was finishing up, therefore this is what they were working towards with Heroes "I dont know anything" Shadow.
I don't think it's a complete sell out, but it's not perfect.
I just hope there is another PROPER Sonic 3D game coming sometime in the future, but as I said before, I'm happy with this.
Thank you, Swifthorn, for that resonable reply.
So you'd rather we look at this and not express any opinion whatsoever?
From what I've seen, I feel justified to say "I don't like this" and state my reasons (note the big post I made for you on the previous page, none of which have to do with the character involved). I'm just expressing the amount of emotion that this video stirred in me, appologies if you find that my reaction is wrong, but it's how I feel.
I'll ask again.
Would you be doing the same thing if Billy Hatcher starred Tails?
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Would you be doing the same thing if Billy Hatcher starred Tails?
*sneeeeeeeeeeeerk* That game would rock. Especially if one hatched Chao.
I probably would have actually played it just to laugh at Tails in a chicken costume.
I'm with Craig on this. It's mainly the fear that what if Sega has decided this is the new standard for Sonic games from here on out? This is going to be the first T. That's practically a gimme. I've got mixed emotions and am fearful of the fanbase splitting.
Oh come on! This game will be a novel addition to the franchise. How many other spin offs have been produced? Do you people remember: Sonic Battle, Sonic Drift, Sonic R, Sonic Labyrinth... There are sooooooo many of these types of games in the Sonic series. Out of the dozens of games starring Sonic characters, how many have followed the basic Sonic platforming principle? This game will be different, yes, but I doubt very much it will set a precedent in future games... just look at Sonic Heroes for example.
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The difference - the very large difference here - is that Tails *needs* to have a weapon. He's not a fighter, like Sonic and Knuckles,
In SA1 Tails was just as capable with his own abilities as Sonic with his, that was the point of his story (and song), that he could be a hero on equal terms to his hero.
Anyway, I have to agree with Shadow Glass to an extent, some are slightly over reacting at such an early stage, though I'm not saying that's not expected, the fact that Shadow uses a gun puts me off and is in complete contrast to previous Sonic games and characters. I still going to stay as neutral as possible until at least E3.
The HUGE problem is the tone. Sonic the Hedgehog is an all ages series. The protagonist of a spinoff should not being running around with handguns, let alone highly realistic ones. This is a character that also appears in a popular children's cartoon currently in syndication throughout the world!
The next problem is how out of character it is for Shadow to carry guns. It's established that he hates weapons. Even if he didn't hate weapons he wouldn't have need to carry guns anyway, he can fire energy blasts, teleport, destroy robots with spin attacks and run faster than the speed of sound.
The final problem is how much of a shallow and obvious attempt this is to imitate the flavour of the week into a license that is completely unsuited for it.
It's like doing a Winnie the Pooh spinoff with a cigarette smoking leather jacket wearing kung-fu Matrix action Tigger.
Who is this supposed to appeal to? Sonic's core audience is children, the older Sonic fans will mostly be able to see straight through this shallow bastardisation of an all ages series, and the average teen who does want dark badass angsty games with guns certainly aren't going to want it from a Sonic the Hedgehog spinoff, they'll play games that actually are adult-orientated and edgy.
Remember when Sonic was an ALL AGES series of GOOD games? Now we seem to be stuck with juvenile toned games like Sonic Heroes and dark toned T+ games like this Shadow the Hedgehog.
At the risk of not adding anything to his previous post, VCP just posted my exact sentiments. Whether or not the game is good, it still betrays what the series is (or was).
It'd be the same as having the next Street Fighter as a FPS - you can have Blanka and Dhalsim in it, but it still won't really be what Street Fighter was all about.
Hyperbole and sarcasm aside, this game does have a chance at being good, but that still doesn't help the fact that it isn't any way near 'Sonic' (as in the series it belongs to). All the previous spin-offs like Chaotix or Tails Adventures still had the tone of the series.
If it were, say, a Shadow game where the gun was used by a new character to whom it was relevant (i.e. Gamma, and to a lesser extent the Egg Walker/Cyclone levels of Sonic Adventure 2 used them as an extension of the character or machine), then it wouldn't be so bad, but I'd still find it too... realistic.
Even Gamma or the Walkers used laser-type guns, and all of Eggman's weapons have never used a 'gun' even if they have quasi-bullets shot at you. The gun doesn't fit into the series in this context any more than making Sonic's main mode of transport a car (and yes, I'm aware of the Sonic Drifts 
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Hopefully it should be released for PS2 and Xbox first, the GC version will come a bit later.
I'm not really excited about it, because I want to see the other Sonic characters in the game, I'm still hoping that Miles will get another handheld release.
Hopefully it should be released for PS2 and Xbox first, the GC version will come a bit later
o_O
Edit: Oh, and what VCP and Buzz said...Plus, I think some are over-reacting a little bit. I'm quite sure it's just another spinoff, and the main series will keep true to whatever it still has intact. *shrug* I really don't think much will change. It's just a cash in on the current cool thing. Buuut...as has been said, you don't need to drag a character OOC to do it. MORE ORIGINAL CRAP PLZ.
I am quite surprised by all this. Im only slightly angry that shadow has a gun, because as far as the older titles go, he doesn't need one. But what im really concerned about are the Heroes graphics, Shadow Model, and physics. The homing attacks show Shadow bounce upward off of an enemy like heroes instead of just going through them in a nice quick line like SA2. He seems to have the heroes running animation where his feet don't seem to be moving as fast as they should, and with no fire coming from his shoes. The wall jumping looks a little cooler in that close up shot, but I imagine its just as crummy as the heroes version of it.
But that Super Sonic flying looks pretty cool and fast. I just hope this game will allow you to keep moving like SA2, and just keep connecting tricks and attacks. That float shooting is alright and looks like it can work its way into the non stop action.
One more thing, if you all remember from SA to SA2, running through loops and certain obsticles became more smoother and natural looking. In SH it was choppy and awful looking, I hope this game will improve on that and make it look like hes running at the speed hes running at without ugly choppy crap.
I hope its fun.
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In SA1 Tails was just as capable with his own abilities as Sonic with his, that was the point of his story (and song), that he could be a hero on equal terms to his hero.
I'd disagree with that, solely on the basis that Tails' levels were all about strategy (finding the quickest path), flight and speed. His boss battles can either be counted as irrelevant, as they took place when Sonic was there, and therefore, it can be assumed that in the main story, it's JUST Sonic who wastes them, or counted in that he and Sonic co-oped.
Tails didn't equal Sonic by fighting, he equalled him by using his attributes to defeat Eggman without smacking him around.
I wonder if anyone is just surprised/upset that its Shadow and not Tails...
Where was all the mayhem and panic when they announced Tails and the music Maker? Huh!?
I'M SENSING SOME HATE FOR THE BLATANT UNIMAGINATIVE RIP-OFF CHARACTER. 
*cough* Anyway... LOL @ this
I agree with VCP 100%. Here's the scenario this christmas;
Kid - Mommy! Mommy! There's the new Sonic game! Can I have it?!
Mother - I guess so honey, lemme take a look. Shadow the Hedgehog?! You play as the bad guy? Oh my, he has a gun! It's rated T. You're only 7 honey, I'm sorry but this game is too violent for you.
Kid - Whhaaaaaaa!!
This story is fictional of course as no parent actually reads the ESRB rating
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Shadow's amnesia was cured in Sonic Battle, remember? Battle was finished before Heroes, but it's still the sequel.
I dont buy that...
Shadow's character has potential, but aside from the twist in SA2 he's been wasted, and more than that malhandled so badly that noone really has a clue whats going on.
I'm relying on this game to tie things up, and if it doesnt I'm prepared to switch sides and join Craig on the "SHADOW HATERS" bench.
But at the mo, im being optimistic, I'll admit it's far from perfect but I'm hoping for a simmilar tone in gameplay to the one in SA2, as SH said i( tihink it was SH) the tone is what makes it not Sonic. I can't see anything in the video which didnt looklike it would fit in SA2's tone apart from holding a gun, but ill wait till I see more untill then.
OH MY GIGGLE! NUH UH! They are ripping ME off! I'm the original firearm toting furball around here! *throws childish dramaqueen rant driven tantrums*
Ok, and on a serious note. Don't like it, don't play it. I probably won't be playing this one. If I wanna play a shooter I'll buy HL2 or something. Wake me when they release a Sonic MMO. *stretchs, yawns, and goes back to sleep*
~Rico (...smoulders with generic rage)
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The HUGE problem is the tone. Sonic the Hedgehog is an all ages series.
That's exactly why I applaud them for making it a Shadow Spinoff, rather then a Sonic game. It won't mar Sonic's tone at all. Shadow's part of the Universe has always been very dark and very sinister. Rather then have those aspects pollute the fuzzy, fun loving world of Sonic and pals, they are venting the mirk into it's own little game where only those who are really interested can play.
Which is really my original point. Craig (and ect...), I wasn't saying that you had to like it. It's just that comments such as "this is the apocolypse", and "I hope they lose money on this" are absurd at this juncture. Certainly, all the fears about Shadow replacing Sonic are just as ludicrous, especially when looking at past evidence. Did Knuckles usurp Sonic with Chaotix? Tails with Skypatroll? Hell, Hasbean in Mean Bean Machine? No. It's just an added bonus for fans.
Look, I'll be honest when I say this. Who is the target audience? Perhaps it's me, because I'm really excited about this. As a twenty-something sonic fan, I love the universe, but would welcome a deeper exploration of the darker themes presented in SA2 and Battle. Suddenly this game rolls around, and I can't wait.
There are still a lot of question left unanswered regarding Shadow's life, both explicit, and inferred. As of yet, we don't even know when this adventure takes place plot wise, so there are a lot of possible plot holes that could be retroactively filled in. Perhaps this takes place fifty years ago? Maybe it explains why he was in that tube at the beginning of Heroes. Wouldn't it serve as a great bridge to explain how Shadow got his memories back in time for Battle?
As for the gun, once again I must reiterate, it does seem odd, and a little out of character. However, the following examples are also out of character for their context:
1) Tails DRIVING his airplane to catch up with the president in SA2
2) Knuckles being seemingly ignorant of the Emeralds in SA.
3) Knuckles not caring about the master emerald in SH and SB
4) Sonic giving Knuckles credit and playing toward the team concept in SH.
5) Knuckles working with Sonic for the fun of it in SH.
6) Eggman kidnapping Vanilla in Sonic Advance 2.
7) Shadow letting Team Sonic beat Metal Sonic without his help.
I could go on. Sometimes the sonic games have you doing things strictly for gameplay reasons. I'll also wait to pass judgment until I've heard Sega's explanation for the gun. Perhaps:
1) There are no chaos emeralds in this game, and Shadow must find other means of protection.
2) Perhaps it's the "only" way to harm those alien attackers.
3) It's the Gun that killed Maria, and he wants to use it against the soldiers of GUN.
4) (Crazy Theory) He needs it to battle another Gun based rival, such as Fang the Sniper.
5) He just fells like shooting people.
6) Maybe they realized that a lot of people think Shadow's just a rip-off of Sonic, and are simply trying to give Shadow traits and attacks that Sonic wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole.
Who knows. I just think it could be a fun game for what it is, and upcoming information just might make the whole thing sound better.
Since when has Tails not used his own airplane?
~Rico
now that we got the new shadow game, everyones gonna be like
person 1:OMG SHADOW ROXORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111oneoneone
person 2: HES GETING A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111oneoneoen
person1:OMFG THAT IS SO @#%$ AWESOM!!!!!!!!!11111111111
later after the game is released-
person 1:THAT SHADOW GAME SUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
person 2: I NO LETS W8 FOR ANOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, where does Shadow say that he hates weapons of all kind?
I cant remember?
Also, people said they wanted a Sonic Adventure 3, this looks to be the closest we're going to get, (especially as someone pointed out, the bullet shots look like a backwards 3 and the logo is simmilar to the original SA one) and from it's tone it's continuing on from where SA2 left off (and Heroes as well, but tone wise from SA2)
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I'm unimpressed. I'm boycotting this one. Oh, and.... BLAME SAMMY! (maybe)
*impersonation of a fan boy*
yay lets spam sega's emails with complaints about the upcoming shadow game!!!!!
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Also, where does Shadow say that he hates weapons of all kind?
I cant remember?
Throughout Sonic Battle he expresses his hate for weapons, it's his reason for initially wanting to destroy Emerl.
I don't care if he uses guns. I don't care that they're going for the teenage audience now. Power to them and both those. But I already played Devil My Cry and Max Payne. I don't feel the need to do it again with crappier camera angles.
~Rico
Castor don't you curse SEGA.
Their earnings have been well, and in a few years they will be back in the console market. Nintendo is doomed. They will be leaving the hardware market.
I'm blessing them, I don't think Shadow's title will be a blockbuster I think it will enjoy moderate success like Tails Adventure. Unklie Knuckles Chaotix which bombed rather badly.
Late as usual....but what in the world--?!
....o.o I might rent this game when it comes out. The gameplay doesn't look much different from SA2/Sonic Heroes. But still... I've got a rather large dislike for Shadow and I don't like the looks of that gun. >>;
I'll wait till more information comes out till I make my final judgement. Right now I'm kinda.....in shock, so I can't say much. XD;
~Shadowed Spirit Sage
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Throughout Sonic Battle he expresses his hate for weapons, it's his reason for initially wanting to destroy Emerl.
He's not *that* gung-ho about weapons in general, it's more a case of Weapons of Mass Destruction, which both he and Emerl are. He hates more the fact that they were originally intended for good by Professor Gerald, and GUN warped them to be nothing but murderous destroyers.
i hope Sega are happy influencing a young generation by associating guns with a character adopted within a friendly E rated gaming series, as if gun culture isnt bad enough. It's just setting a bad example and if Sega cant think of a better way to take the series in another direction (i.e. more adult) then they are sick and i won't blow the trumpet of any game which does so, even though im a fan of the series from sonic 1
Frankly, I'm with Gale: PSU had better be REALLY good if they're going to whore out Sonic like this.
And Lighthead... we've been split for years. YEARS.
I meant splitting to the point where there are those who no longer feel comfortable expressing their opinions on the forums and just.... well quit.
To Shadowglass, it's not that we fear that Shadow will replace Sonic. It's just that the use of the gun kind of hurts his character. I understand Sega for wanting to try something new, but if they wanted someone to use a gun, use the right character. Eggman would be perfect for weaponry, or what about Fang? Bean and Bark, we don't know much about them, other than Bean uses bombs, and there it is! He would be perfect to use guns. He seems like a weapon-crazy fool. Their character traits are a bit empty, so they be open to have weaponry.
But...if Sega wants to go this way, I hope they do it right. The gameplay should be a little different if he's going to use guns. I'd say it would be more like SADX/Grand Theft auto style, where he has to travel around a world map place to find levels, or something else. That part with him running while shooting seems alright. I hope they expand that part.
Yes, it's a little early to judge it, overexaggertly, so I'll give this game a chance to fix themselves...like for one, redesign the gun!! It's so big it hurts!! Give him two small pistels. I'd see him shooting like Neo.
Well, if it gets to be THAT bad, then I can easily just fall down on them like an iron fist... at least, here.
Seriously. I have no qualms with you if you like this product, nor if you hate it. I only have qualms with you if you direct an attack on the other camp.
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He's not *that* gung-ho about weapons in general, it's more a case of Weapons of Mass Destruction, which both he and Emerl are.
I don't think that's the case. Maria wasn't killed by a "weapon of mass destruction". And the whole WMD thing has become a big buzz phrase in America and the UK that you're probably subconsciously making the connection yourself.
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He hates more the fact that they were originally intended for good by Professor Gerald, and GUN warped them to be nothing but murderous destroyers.
G.U.N. never got their hands on Emerl, it was created as a weapon by an ancient civilisation, Gerald inserted a "heart" into it. It was Gerald that wished Shadow to murder humanity, not G.U.N.
Wow, this thread's getting popular.
I honestly think that Sonic Team could pull this off if they could make the gun concept work, like explainnig why Shadow's using a gun, and why there have been at least three different guns in the screenshots; a pistol, an MP5-esque gun and one that looks kinda lke an uzi (the pics are futher back, about pages 2-4 somewhere). Although, I think the two pistols idea would be better than jutst one.
It might be good for filling in the gaps about Shadow, and help with plotholes... I get the Feeling that Netraptor'll get her hands on this and make it into a great fanfic ^_^
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I don't think that's the case. Maria wasn't killed by a "weapon of mass destruction".
Shadow never knew Maria. She was either killed by GUN's raid or by NIDS, it's never clarified which.
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And the whole WMD thing has become a big buzz phrase in America and the UK that you're probably subconsciously making the connection yourself.
Shadow himself uses the phrase "Weapons of war" in Sonic Battle. The entire scene goes thusly:
Shadow: You see, Emerl? This is the fate for weapons of war.
Emerl: I don't understand, Shadow. I'm sad.
Shadow: I know.
The sheer power Shadow controls and contains would classify him as a WMD, and certainly Emerl as well.
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G.U.N. never got their hands on Emerl, it was created as a weapon by an ancient civilisation, Gerald inserted a "heart" into it. It was Gerald that wished Shadow to murder humanity, not G.U.N.
Re-read the journals. Gerald handed over Emerl to GUN to buy some time to continue work on Project Shadow.
I think that it's way too soon to pass judgement. Let's just all wait until it comes out and we can try it, then we can decide for oursevles (each of us personally, not a decision by consensus) whether or not this game is good.
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I'd disagree with that, solely on the basis that Tails' levels were all about strategy (finding the quickest path), flight and speed. His boss battles can either be counted as irrelevant, as they took place when Sonic was there, and therefore, it can be assumed that in the main story, it's JUST Sonic who wastes them, or counted in that he and Sonic co-oped.
Hmm, good point, however I still disagree that he needs a weapon, though I have pondered of what a weapon would be like for him, I'b rather he just used his own two tails.
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Since when has Tails not used his own airplane?
My point was that he was DRIVING it through a hazard filled course, when all logic would have dictated that tailing the president's car by Air would have made the most sense.
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now that we got the new shadow game, everyones gonna be like
person 1:OMG SHADOW ROXORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111oneoneone
person 2: HES GETING A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111oneoneoenperson1:OMFG THAT IS SO @#%$ AWESOM!!!!!!!!!11111111111
later after the game is released-
person 1:THAT SHADOW GAME SUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
person 2: I NO LETS W8 FOR ANOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You see this is the sort of thing that appalls me about this thread. Sure we are entitled to our own opinions, but there is a good deal of bashing, intimating that Shadow fans are brainless goons that just want darkness for the sake of it. Ironically, the few Shadow fans that have posted in this thread have been cautiously optimistic, listing well though out reasons why the game might work. MOST everyone else has just unloaded a lot of useless drivel like "Sega's going out of business!". Now who's the raving fan boy/girl?
At least VCP is trying to debunk the game using well-though out arguments based of the other games. I've repeatedly listed evidence and possibities as to how and why the game might work, but this once thoughtful forum had degraded into a mob mentality. As I've said before, some of us do want the game, and posts like the one above are flat out insulting.
That said, sure this new game seems to have elements of other popular games mixed in, but that is not a reason a it will suck. Even the original Sonic borrowed liberally from the basic "Mario Platformer" Formula, adding unique bits and twists here and there.
Also, I personally fell that Shadow would use a gun if he needed to. Yes, he's opposed to Weapons in general, but we also know that, when truly angered, he is homicidal. Remember him trying to wipe out the whole planet? Remember his "Date to Die for" comment. Remember him planning on killing Emeral before they bonded? We still don't know his true motives in this game...
Lastly, it is still very much debatable weather or not he knew Maria. There is evidence to both effects.
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Thats what annoys me as well, the entire Shadow Fan Boy debate has grown so out of control, personally I dont think that it really exists (Okay it does, but not at that level, and not here anyway) and that it's just grown out of control by people talking about it, like the Sailor phenomenom in the SPA...
I agree whole heartedly. 
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I was going to quote that earlier, but i didnt have the time, thanks, for arguing it out yourself Shadowglass, i didnt haven the time or energy to bother
Always a pleasure, Swifthom.
LMAO
This thread happening was so predictable.
Haven't read abseloutly all of it, but yeah... what can I say apart from the fact that there are a lot of pessimistic extemists who have dismissed something that was merely presented with a small movie. A lot of it I'm sure just stems from a bias disliking of the character anyway. Of which I reckon if you don't like the look of the game, or the prospect of it and if the sight of it disgusts you so much, don't get it.
It's also funny how people just can't or refuse to see through the possibilities as to why the game might work out.
Personally, I thought the gun was an eerie touch. My first thought wasn't 'Wow! OMFG!!! THIS IS SO KEWL! SHADOW GOTZ A GUN... DAMN!'
It was more along the lines of 'Hey, wait... this is rather sinsister.' Why has he got a gun?
It sort of reinforced my believing to the fact that he's really means something this time, what with everything that happened to him. And I thought it was refreshing that SonicTeam were offering a branch off towards a dark genre.
Like it or not, there are a ridiculous number of Shadow fans. Not so much in this forum, but other sites. Something I've certainly noticed on DA is that a Shadow drawing with relative standards compared to a Sonic drawing seems to get more reception. That's just what I have noticed. Not that I'm saying it's evidance that Sonic has a bigger fanbased with Shadow but I found that propspect rather amusing.
In any case, I'm feeling optimistic about this game. Even if a lot of people would dismiss the gun as 'abseloutly ridiculous', perhaps there's a reason. I think if the storyline is thought out and the game is refined in time for its release that it'll be something worthwhile for Shadow fans. It's a bit dumb to make a verdict of the game right now <3
I'd like to have been in that board room when someone stood up and said "Let's give Shadow a gun!" How do they go from Happy Meals to assault rifles in less than one year? 
Last I checked, the only weapon any Sonic character carried was a Piko Piko Hammer that waved hearts. Now we're moving up to assault rifles? I'm sorry, but no words can describe how "WTF?" I am about where they're trying to go with this. I mean, Shadow having a gun, in my mind, is like Wolverine having a gun. They just don't need it.
I really don't even know why I'm worried about this game. After Sonic Heroes and all the hype it received, I've failed to be excited about anything else, from Sonic Advance 3 to this. I guess it just bothers me, the idea that Sonic Team, which once defined the medium, would drop something like this.
And I know I haven't actually played the game yet, so you don't hafta remind me. But if the game is anything like those screenshots, well then, you all just read what I think about it.
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Haven't read abseloutly all of it, but yeah... what can I say apart from the fact that there are a lot of pessimistic extemists who have dismissed something that was merely presented with a small movie. A lot of it I'm sure just stems from a bias disliking of the character anyway. Of which I reckon if you don't like the look of the game, or the prospect of it and if the sight of it disgusts you so much, don't get it.
Well, first off, I like Shadow as a character, and I don't mind him gracing Sonic's adventures (although I would like the mystery behind his revival to be solved). I can't speak for everyone else, but it doesn't matter to me that this game stars Shadow.
Secondly, whether it was a small movie or a playable demo through 90% of the game, it gave off a bad vibe to most people. There's nothing wrong with them feeling pessimistic about it. You said so yourself that you feel optimistic about it, so let the other people say they feel pessimistic about it and why.
Lastly, sorry for the double post. 
He posted when I was posting and I missed his.
I actually like that video. It tells a deep message. That message is "Sonic games used to be cool and fun, but then we decided to screw it all up by making the games dark and angsty."
Gameplay wise, I think that if Sonic Team is going to make some sort of strange, mutant clone of Sonic Heroes/Ratchet and Clank/Jak and Daxter/Devil May Cry, they should at least try to do it right and add a bigger arsenal with less generic looking weapons. Since this game is still early in development, it's not too late for them to add such a feature, but I somehow doubt that they'll do it.
However, it doesn't matter how good the gameplay would be, crap like this does not belong in Sonic games. It's too dark and angsty to be a Sonic game, and it's a far step behind the real Sonic games we've come to know and love.
Really, if they actually wanted to do something like this, they could just release another Tails' Adventure game. It would be a much better concept, and it wouldn't make me throw up all over my computer.
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Shadow never knew Maria. She was either killed by GUN's raid or by NIDS, it's never clarified which.
Shadow remembers spending time with her, and Maria was definitely shot dead.
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Shadow himself uses the phrase "Weapons of war" in Sonic Battle. The entire scene goes thusly:
Shadow: You see, Emerl? This is the fate for weapons of war.
Emerl: I don't understand, Shadow. I'm sad.
Shadow: I know.The sheer power Shadow controls and contains would classify him as a WMD, and certainly Emerl as well.
True, but guns are still weapons of war.
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Re-read the journals. Gerald handed over Emerl to GUN to buy some time to continue work on Project Shadow.
Oh yeah. But it was still created as a weapon before Gerald got his hands on it and G.U.N. never got the chance to do anything particularly malicious with it.
