No thanks, I think I'll stick with it..... OMFG!!! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If this turns out to be a good game, then Sega will churn out more games with gun toting violence, which would mean more of the same which could be good or bad depending on the the content of this game. Sega is in a way like Bush... looking for more places to dig for oil then once found, suck it dry.
<shrugs> whatever floats your boat
THE END IS NIGH!!! T'IS THE APOCALYPSE!!!
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GOD SAVE US ALL! OMFG! MAYBE IT'S GOT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE QUESTIONNARE ON SONIC!!! OMFG!!! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
Ok, the above is exactly the type of response I was referring to when I said that the responses were overly dramatic.
There are plenty of Shadow fans, and if you look at much of the fan fic and fan art (outside of Carnival island), you often find Shadow associated with blood, violence and adult themes. It has nothing to really do with the source material, but apparently a lot of people would like to view Shadow in this way. This must be the kind of audience Sega wishes to entice, and responses like the above will do little to deter it.
Once again, as far as petitioning against it, I just don't see why. Some of us want it, and those you you who don't know precious little about it beyond your dramatic, impulse reactions. If you don't want it, don't get it. It's as simple as that. This game is not going to shatter the Sonic series into little shards of broken glass, not would it's cancelation turn it into a new Sonic game. People have already put too much work into it. Canceling it would just lead to everyone who liked it being let down.
Also, think of this: If it was cancelled, it would join the cryptic ranks of Sonic Crackers, Genocide City and Sonic X-tream. If you strike it down, it would become more powerful then you could ever believe. There would be thousand of topics on this sitet alone, with crack-pot theories talking about how Shadow was stalking Bark and Bean, collecting Time Stones, or that it all came down to a search for princess Sally.
The least painful solution is to just grumble quietly, and not buy the game.
But if they spend to much money on this game, they just might send a ton of cash down the drain. And that may mean no more Sonic games, and that'd be damn BAD. WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!
No. Because then Sonic Team would get the idea that the majority of their fanbase liked this kind of stuff. And so they'd make more. And we'd start this crazy ride all over again.
It's annoying enough that this game is being developed instead of something a little more interesting and not so utterly devoid of any actual innovation. It's also not so much that there's nothing new - it's also that they've seemingly gone backwards.
Please stop with the "WERE ALL GOING TO DIE! THE END IS NIGH! APOCALYPSE!!!!!"
It was okay a few days ago as an 'initial reaction' but now its getting old and is unnecessary.
Sigh.. Every second that passes I feel worse about this... I think I'm going to take Shadow off my favourite char list.
What were Sonic Team smoking when they came up with this?
I can only hope in good gameplay, I guess.
Though the little voice of hope still tells me:
Remember, everyone thought Sonic Battle would suck and Sonic Heroes would be great and it turned out to be the other way round.
By the way, do you think there is another Sonic game in development aside this..thing and Sonic DS?
I really hope so, as I was looking forward to a new big Sonic game, not a weirdo spinoff.
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If this turns out to be a good game, then Sega will churn out more games with gun toting violence, which would mean more of the same which could be good or bad depending on the the content of this game. Sega is in a way like Bush... looking for more places to dig for oil then once found, suck it dry.
I wouldn't have any problems with this if Shadow didn't have that gun, especially a realistic looking gun. It goes against all that is pure about the Sonic universe. When it comes down to things leave this stuff to the appropriate franchise. Not an all ages one. It doesn't fit with the franchise or the art style.
He's the Ultimate Lifeform. He shouldn't even need to use a gun in the first place. His Chaos powers should be enough to takeout anyone who stands in his path.
Shadow having a gun sounds like a bad marketing device.
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And that may mean no more Sonic games
Even if you're not looking forward to this new Shadow spinoff there's still Sonic DS that's in the works to look forward. Not to mention that nameless Sonic title for the Gamecube, assuming that this new Shadow game isn't the results of that game.
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Remember, everyone thought Sonic Battle would suck and Sonic Heroes would be great and it turned out to be the other way round.
Hmmmm... If we say it'll suck.... It'll be good! 
AHA! My fellow MoFos. I have a solution to make it good! Say it sucks!
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When it comes down to things leave this stuff to the appropriate franchise. Not an all ages one. It doesn't fit with the franchise or the art style.
They said that about Jak 2, but it ended becoming a landmark for PS2 owners.
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I think I'm going to take Shadow off my favourite char list.
If it turns out good, it may put him higher on other people's.
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What were Sonic Team smoking when they came up with this?
That's classified.
Considering how protective SEGA has been of Sonic's image the past few years, I'm surprised they would make such a huge shift in content like this. By "Sonic" I don't mean just the character but the whole Sonic universe.
Well, this isn't really putting down Sonic's Image, as it is Shadow's. And we all know that image was defamed in Heroes. 
But yeah, my initial reaction to seeing the poster was "hey that looks pretty funny. That's one hell of a nice looking fan made hoax."
but I was wrong... dead wrong.
It seems as though now, that this game is coming out whether we like it or not. And there's nothing we can do about it. Except maybe NOT buy it. (This is coming from the guy who bought DragonBall Z Budokai 2 because it looked pretty.)
So yeah, rather than complain about it, I'm trying to look for some good in this gross rape of Shadow's character- er.. I mean game.
The gameplay looks pretty decent, something like Sonic Adventure 2, and it has destrucable enviroments. and that weird energy release thing he does.
I'm not gona judge this thing gameplay-wise until I play it.
I'm just utterly shocked that they would give Shadow a gun (I thought he hated weapons. My only guess is that this is a sort of prequel to Sonic Adventure 2 and is on a mission to kill G.U.N. by shooting them (a bit of an irony, no?).
But yeah, my hopes aren't TOO high. But I have to SOMETHING to look forward to, I guess.
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Also, what it says about a new game pretty much sounds like it could just be talking about the ones we know of. O_o
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In addition to presenting a retrospective Sonic video, SEGA of America president Simon Jeffery and Takashi Iizuka, game director, SEGA Studio USA surprised attendees of the 'Walk of Game' induction ceremony with a sneak-peek of a mysterious trailer labeled Shadow the Hedgehog; one of
several new projects coming from the Sonic franchise in 2005. SEGA did not release any details about this new game, but assured fans that there will be more information about several new Sonic titles forthcoming.
Sounds like more than just Sonic DS and the Shadow game to me.
The PDF can be found on Sega's FTP.
Has anyone noticed from the trailer that some of the enemies that Shadow faces look very similar to a certain water beast?
Makes u wonder what G.U.N. are up to now...
(the crates have the G.U.N. insignia on them)
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On the gun issue: I'd be pretty satisfied if it was the gun that shot Maria, and Shadow was hunting down it's previous owner. Remember Sonic X is a separate continuity, so for all we know, that soldier could be a high-ranking general now. Yeah, it's cliched, but what recent Sonic narrative isn't to some extent. And given Sonic cliches, the Soldier would probably turn out to be an emotionally suffering good guy that Shadow takes pitty on, and they both work together to confront some kind of bigger evil.
Now that's a storyline I would be satisfied with. Problem is, Shadow totes around multiple guns in the trailer while Maria was only killed by one.
I'm not doubting that Sega can't hook this up. It's just that this trailer isn't giving me a good feeling of what might happen.
Just a though here, but would everyone (well, at least those who oppose this game) here be as up in arms if the game stared Fang as its gun-toting anti-hero?
I wouldn't be. But then it would be a much different scenario.
A) Fang carries a gun anyway. He's carried one since he was first created. So if Fang were to appear in a game with a gun, it wouldn't seem like some desperate attempt to tack on a fad that doesn't fit the series.
B) Fang needs a gun. Shadow doesn't. Shadow's saved the world multiple times without the use of one, and has officially stated that he dislikes weapons.
C) Fang's gun wasn't as realistic as the one we saw in the trailer. So he could still carry his around and maintain the "fantasy/all-ages" feel that the game has been giving off since 1991.
I think the main reason people oppose the gun in the game is because it's irrelevant for the character who's using it and it just doesn't fit the series. Sonic built his empire on abstract landscapes, super speed, and animals hidden inside robots created by a mad scientist shaped like an egg. He uses gold rings for power, not uzis. He can practically outrun bullets, so why would he need them? Since Shadow has roughly the same powers as Sonic, the same examples can be applied to him.
Fang shot corks out of his gun in Sonic the Fighters.
Whoa Whoa Whoa. Now I am a HUGE Shadow fan. I'm talking Ursa Major. *shot for horrible attempted pun* He's my favorite. I've wished for him to have a game many times. Well it's here. And what do I have to say about it. "Hmmm...interesting." I'm in a state of shock. The fact that he has a game of his own is driving me bonkers. I'm not as excited as I was for Heroes, though. Not sure why. Maybe it's the gun. Shadow + Gun = one of those great inventions that happens by accident. Or Shadow + Gun = Major Screw-Up. Honestly I don't think it's OOC. He's an angsty little tyke and he's releasing it now...with firepower. I'll admit he surely doesn't need one...but he does have one. Now if you ask me, everyone here is acting as if this was the end of the world...literally. *referring to Doc's joke I think it was about the Apocolypse* I mean I know you all are probably trying to not get pumped about this game considering how Heroes was such a...ummm...different approach. *coughletdowncough* Although I only read the 1st page, being that 5 pages have been made already and this is my first day online since Sunday...this is too much for me to take. I'm with ShadowAldrius on this one...give this game a chance. Of course it looks really goofy right now, but I think alot of games do when you first see it.(Ok not a bunch but i'm trying to defend my favorite guy here) If you think about it Windwaker was made fun of so many times it got old. Now it came out...it's said to be one of the best in the series. Now Link wasn't given a gun in WW, I understand, but there's hope? *shrugs* Honestly if you ask me...the only bad thing about this game so far would be the gun. If it was removed and Shad had his usual manipulation of Chaso Energy, i'd be much more pleased. I say wait until E3 when it's been polished some more and worked on a bit more. I don't think SonicTeam has lost it. I have faith in them. They brought us the great Genesis titles and rather controversial Adventure titles and even a new approach with Heroes. I think ST may throw us all for a loop. We'll just have to wait and see, eh?
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C) Fang's gun wasn't as realistic as the one we saw in the trailer. So he could still carry his around and maintain the "fantasy/all-ages" feel that the game has been giving off since 1991.
Fang's gun wasn't all that fantastical in Sonic Chaos. It was only in Fighters where they turned it into a silly pop-gun. Until then, I thought he carried a generic revolver.
On that note, he never really used it on Sonic in their adventures. Photos exist of a Beta where Fang shoved the barrel in Sonic's mug, but it was taken out, presumably because it was an off-color image.
I still say, with the gun play, Fang would make a good rival. Perhaps, with Fang gunning for Shadow, the ULF might carry a firearm to even the odds.
Another point...
We complain that Shadow doesn't need guns because of his chaos powers. Well, technically he didn't need Rouge and Omega in Heros, but he lugged them around anyway, and he seemed perfectly willing to have Omega do all the work during Chaos Control. There were also quite a few times that old fashioned warping Chaos Control (or even Chaos Spear) would have been useful in their adventures, but he refrained from do so.
When you get down to it, Shadow is a god. He can distort space and time, and he can summon raw energy into teleporting spikes. That gives him a terribly unfair advantage. For game-play reasons, you have to tone down his omnipotence. Having him use the gun, for whatever reason they come up with, would help to accomplish that.
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Fang shot corks out of his gun in Sonic the Fighters.
Actually, he originally had a real gun, but it was cut for obvious reasons.
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Fang's gun wasn't all that fantastical in Sonic Chaos.
Mainly because Fang/Nack didn't exist until Triple Trouble.
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but it was cut for obvious reasons.
And now Shadow's come back with a REAL gun. HE HAS A PISTOL, DAMNIT! And one of those earlier screens, he had an MP5!!! WTF?!?!?!
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C) Fang's gun wasn't as realistic as the one we saw in the trailer. So he could still carry his around and maintain the "fantasy/all-ages" feel that the game has been giving off since 1991.
I meant that Sega gave Fang the real gun (it should be a revolver to suit his look though) and used him in Shadows place. I was just trying to see which of the two is most disliked; Shadow using a gun, or the fact that a realistic gun is used st all (even if it fits the character).
I suppose one advantage to using Fang would be that he doesn't look like Sonic and he is only recognised by Sonic fans (be it of the comics, Triple Trouble or Fighters). The connection to the Sonic world would be less obvious, but it seems to be Sega's intention to show the connection anyway.
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Just a though here, but would everyone (well, at least those who oppose this game) here be as up in arms if the game stared Fang as its gun-toting anti-hero?
Yes and no.
Yes, in the sense that I still wouldn't be interested due to the style of play. I'm not interested in shooters or shooting-related games. No, in the sense that Fang has always used some form of gun whereas Shadow is supposed to be so powerful as to not need one. It's similar to the complaints registered by fans of the Archie comic when Bunnie was shown to be carrying guns a year ago (never to be seen again) and the popular reaction (at least around here) was "why would Bunnie of all people need guns?"
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We complain that Shadow doesn't need guns because of his chaos powers. Well, technically he didn't need Rouge and Omega in Heros, but he lugged them around anyway, and he seemed perfectly willing to have Omega do all the work during Chaos Control.
In Rouge's case, Shadow cannot fly, Chaos Control or no Chaos Control. And he keeps Rouge around primarily because he knows that Rouge knows about his past.
In Omega's case, I think it's more of a case of convenience. Shadow may be all powerful, but he's also only a metre tall. Omega is twice that, and therefore a powerful ally when it comes to smashing things up.
[quote[When you get down to it, Shadow is a god. He can distort space and time, and he can summon raw energy into teleporting spikes. That gives him a terribly unfair advantage. For game-play reasons, you have to tone down his omnipotence. Having him use the gun, for whatever reason they come up with, would help to accomplish that.
There are easier ways to 'tone down the advantage' than giving him a gun. Giving him limits, for example, or an energy gauge much like MP that is refillable by idling for a while, or collecting Rings.
I highly doubt that Shadow could constantly and continuously use his Chaos energy by Spears or Controls, in fact, I think that's the reason he couldn't control his Super form in SA2. He'd spent a large amount of time chasing Sonic via CC and attacking him with Chaos Spear, then smacked Biolizard around, and then went Super. He almost certainly used up too much.
Why do people think that the decision to make this game has something to do with the questionaire? This game has obviously been in development much longer than that questionaire has been around.
A more probable eplanation is that Sega made that questionaire to test the proverbial waters before dropping the bomb at GDC. That way they could decide how to go about making the game known.
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Why do people think that the decision to make this game has something to do with the questionaire?
Because.... No reason. X_X Good point.
I'm officially no longer a Sonic fan. I mean, what the hell is Sonic Team thinking? It seems like we give them no end of feedback on what WE, THE FANS, want to see in a Sonic game but they just won't listen. I have completely lost faith and will never play another Sonic game again.
To be quite frank, I'm actually happy about this development.
(Waits for gasps of amazement)
Why? I'll admit that I've neevr really liked Shadow as a character, but I've never been a great fan of the poor plots in most recent games besides Battle.
However, what has annoyed me is Sonic Team's recent insitence on poor multiple-character gameplay, and they've finally dropped it.
So what if it's Shadow only, and he's got a gun? Fighting enemies was never the main point of Sonic games anyway... it was the platforming, and I'm hoping that will be good. If so, whether a gun is added into the mix and the hedgehog I'm controlling is blakc rather than blue doesn't matter to me.
To put it another way, I care about the game, not the universe, and I have some hopes this could reverse the lazy design trends Heroes showed.
So yes, I'm looking forwards to this.
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I love you man! It's sooo true! No more 12 or so crap characters, just one pure, well know character. And it's true! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PLATFORMING!!! ;_;
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This proves it folks. Shadow just isn't cool anymore. And the main reason for my aggravation is not Shadow getting milked to death, but rather the fear of what this might mean for Sonic's next game. If they put a gun in Sonic's hand then that's it, I'm quitting the series for good.
I wouldn't leave the fandom altogether; but it'd probably mark the end of my interest in the games, too.
At the very least, outside of the current standard of the Advance series, which seems to be the only set of titles that still remembers the raw platform playability and comparatively decent coding that Sonic used to be about, rather than just churning out buggy eye candy.
If I wanted a shoot-'em-up, I'd buy one. Sonic's... well... Sonic.
I might not've had to like putting Tails in a mech in SA2, but at least putting the resident tech whizz in a mech is vaguely in character.
This has all of the in-character-ness of Cream's Bad Fur Day.
Sonic or Shadow packing a piece just has no realistic justification. It's just not how either of them operates.
They're walking projectiles themselves and can outrun freakin' bullets. They don't need guns. It makes no sense.
If this is a cheap sop to the "But we're "mature" teenage fans, so we want R-rated Sonic games with gore, cussing and Amy getting her boobies out!" brigade, then Sega've lost my respect once and for all.
Aw...is there no way to stop this madness before it goes too far? Or has it already??
According to Sonic Stadium this is NOT the game that Yuji naka has been working on, so hopefully there is a mainstream Sonic Game not to far in the distance beyond this one...
All I can say is thank god... phew.
Although i'm optimistic about this game, it is a spinoff and it shouldn't take precidence over the main line, which was my main concern, but it hasnt so i'm not....
I was just wondering, do we know yet what component of Sega is making this game? I know Sonic Team doesn't really exist any more, but is it even being made by the old members of it, or is it from Sega of America or somewhere else?
I'm happy. I've always liked Shadow for not being a direct sonic xerox, and now they're splitting him off from his blue counterpart. If only I had a PS2.......
Dont go out and buy one just for this, it'll probably be on the GC as wel....
And Buzz, no clue. I cat see Yuji naka having some say in it, but apart from that I think all the coins are still in the air.
You know I'd be shocked if SonicTeam worked on this title...it seems so not like them. Anyway like ShadowGlass said we should rejoice. *Rejoices* We might be getting a single character based game finally. Of course I know a bunch of people despise of Shadow...for reasons that to me seem pretty pointless. All I'm saying is give this game a chance. Feel free to ridicule the game once more info is out, but for now...be optimistic...expecting only to be letdown.
According to Sonic Stadium (heck, i seem to be getting all my info from there) it's being made by a department in Sega of America.
Apparently, Iizuka is the one who's in the development of this title. It makes sense that he's the one behind this, considering he's the one who was the mastermind behind the other 3D Sonic games too.
"Mastermind" works for Adventure, but I think we need a better noun for Heroes, and quite likely, this.
Regardless, I find all you people who are immediately refusing to play or even like Sonic ever again because of one bad upset to be kinda silly. I mean, if it floats your boat, go for it, but you shouldn't be denying yourself the goodness of the original games or the many really good fangames that are coming out lately just because the latest ones suck.
Regardless, I find all you people who are immediately refusing to play or even like Sonic ever again because of one bad upset to be kinda silly.
Oh, I'll play it. In fact, I'll probably do so before I even read a review of it, just so I can say my opinion is completely untainted. But I'm still preparing for the worst, and I think I have reason to do so.
You, me, and pretty much everyone else (with some exceptions), Cyc...
Mhmm, same here. I mean I hate gameplay as a rule anyway, but I'm preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best.
All they need to do is half as much to Shadow's story as Sonic Battle gave, and tie up the ridiculous clone crap from Heroes, and I'll be happy as heck.
I was already cosigned to play the game regardless of everyone's opinions.
Can we still make remarks about how silly the situation with the gun is, though? ^^
EDIT: This just in, Takashi Iizuka reveals the truth! Okay, I'm done now.
Somehow I still haven't given up hope yet, not for one simple Shadow spinoff title. Considering there's still plenty of more Sonic titles being released besides this like Sonic DS and that Gamecube Sonic title I can only hope those games make up for this one, if it does turn out bad (and I'm not saying it will).
This, I'm having with mixed feelings with. Only time will tell how well this game turns out.
Oh, and by the way, Psx. Those two comics that you posted were hilarious.
XD XD @ Morpheus!
If that was the serious excuse then all is forgiven. SA2's ending should never be referenced or copied ever. EVER!
and the "Only Logical Explination" made me laugh outloud 😀
Heh, nice comics...
To be honest, there is the potential for an interesting story to be told here, but it's such a delicate situation that, well...
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I'm not sure if anyone here's had this idea, but someone at a Pokemon board had this idea in a topic about the game.
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who said they have? notice how Shadow the Hedghog is the only game that hasn't been put up on Sega's site since all the games they announced at GDC?
Just wait. I bet you anything that in a few weeks they announce a Knuckles the Echidna game, or an EGGMAN game. And then they'll eventually tell us that it's all one big game - Sonic Adventure 3.
I doubt it, but it is believable, when you think about it. Still, I'm looking forward to this game no matter what.
UNLESS!!!!
This is set in an alternate Universe!! *shot* 
