Wait... so how exactly is your sig different than every other super sonic pic?
Shadow is not only a recolor, he is a GENERIC recolor, colored black and red because his cliche smouldering angst must surely manifest itself as the color choice his hoey, incomplete backstory-supplied creator chose for his pet project. Everything he has screams generic fancharacter, which is why I dislike him.
I'm sure they can find something to make his character into.
If they can supply at least one more trait besides "generic rage," then I'll be happy.
He may smolder with generic rage but there's much more than that...
Take your pic from "generic mystery", "generic idiocy," "generic madness" "generic victim" and "Generic manipulator" and "generic puppet" and you've gothim summed up...
He's an everyman, nothing quite defines him except everything...
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See the difference now, BrownCow? The Sonic X quills are going more upward than the SA quills. Personally, I think the Sonic X quills look retarded, and are way too long. (No offense to your sig, SS)
The difference is there, but minimal and hardly noticeable except from a certain camera angle...
The deisgners probably werent that aware that they were changing such a sacred thing... 
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More like reverting back to it. SS had the Sonic X quills in S3&K as well.
bastard sonic3&k sprite artists... ripping off sonic x all the time...
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bastard sonic3&k sprite artists... ripping off sonic x all the time...
WTF?! Please tell me you are just being sarcastic...
Well, in Sonic Heroes, Super Sonic did look damn sexy in the CGI scene, so I can't complain too much. Though had Shadow have not been a recolour, I wouldn't have objected much to keeping the SA1 style.
Next up on Sonic's nemesis list: Bizarro Sonic!! "I'm way past bizarro cool!"
You realise that Bizarro is a term from DC comics, right? Mostly pre-crisis, though.
the baddies in this are actually aliens and also G.U.N
no way realy?
Were you even aware that the other pages before this existed, or did you think the numerical value system started at 49?
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You realize that Bizarro is a term from DC comics, right? Mostly pre-crisis, though.
I had no idea. I'm more of a Marvel man myself. It would make sense if Sealab stole that off something else though. Which comic is it from exactly? Or is it taken from the whole DC Universe? My Sealab fan friends would love to know.
*Back on topic, kind of* If Super Sonic does indeed look as sexy as you say, then I have a reason to beat SH now.
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the baddies in this are actually aliens and also G.U.N
And Sonic/Eggman (depends who you choose)... You can't forget them!
I myself have no problem with Shadow and his recolor'd self.
I've been thinking about this game, and I was thinking, maybe this game comes inbetween Heroes and Battle, explaining how he had his memories in the latter. More than likely, I'm dead wrong, but there's always hope...
Three things:
1. Shadow appears to have regained at least PART of his memory at the end of Sonic Heroes: He refers to Sonic by name, and remembers all about the super form... thingy.
2. The whole " he looks like Sonic, just a different color" bit is actually a MAJOR PLOT POINT in SA2, so stop saying they were lazy 
- they DID have a valid reason for that. Sheesh
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3. You're not alone in liking Shadow ( He ranks 4th with Knuckles, after Sonic in 1st, Tails in 2nd, and Amy in 3rd (gotta love the mallet (or Piko Piko Hammer, to be precise)), nor are you alone in the whole "lurking" thing.
Where do I sign up for the club?
No, seriously!
Forgot to mention I'm psyched about the game, especially now that I know I can ixnay the unsgay
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1. Shadow appears to have regained at least PART of his memory at the end of Sonic Heroes: He refers to Sonic by name, and remembers all about the super form... thingy.
And yet he doesn't remember that he too can go super. To be honest, I always assumed he knew Sonic's name because Rouge might have mentioned in prior to their meeting. I mean, she would have had to imagine that they might run into the guy. Might as well just give Shadow a few facts so he doesn't freak out upon seeing his "twin".
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2. The whole " he looks like Sonic, just a different color" bit is actually a MAJOR PLOT POINT in SA2, so stop saying they were lazy
Just because you rationalise your laziness doesn't make you less lazy... They could have made him an entirely different character, but they didn't. They are lazy. Shadow is a recolour with only slight modifications (I've seen sprite recolours with more originality, honestly). Sonic Team as a whole has been pretty lazy as of late.
this is the first time that I'm really excited for E3 because of something OTHER than a new Sonic game (Zelda, to be specific).
You know you love Sonic too much when...
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bastard sonic3&k sprite artists... ripping off sonic x all the time...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------WTF?! Please tell me you are just being sarcastic...
to confirm, i was actually defining sarcasm for all of you.
thats cool, Espio.
Also, I often wonder. If SEGA had made a different new character but still stayed with angst, then allowed him to transform like Sonic, then brought him back to life to be in the new game and then STILL given him his own game with guns, would we still complain about the character as much as we do now?
I really have no problems with Shadow's looks or his personality.
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Also, I often wonder. If SEGA had made a different new character but still stayed with angst, then allowed him to transform like Sonic, then brought him back to life to be in the new game and then STILL given him his own game with guns, would we still complain about the character as much as we do now?
I really have no problems with Shadow's looks or his personality.
I would still have as much of a problem with him.
1) Angst: clich.
2) Return from the dead: clich.
3) Grabbin' guns: Jumpin' on the bandwagon.
And giving him a super form has been done already, too (Tails and Knux). Shadow just has no originality about him at all. He's a walking clich, and it's a sign of Sonic Team not applying themselves.
Doesn't that make you want to take over the Shadow project and fix the problems yourself?
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Doesn't that make you want to take over the Shadow project and fix the problems yourself?
*in stereotypical Middle Eastern accent* What are these problems you speaketh of?
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3) Grabbin' guns: Jumpin' on the bandwagon.
it's very strange to see a gun in a hand of a furry animal. in the old sonic games the only *Guns* i remember were the egg cannons that shoot ..eggs!
on the flying fortress(sonic 2).
sonic is 15, right? so shadow is a 15 year old carrying a pistol.
this is why sonic is cool and shadow is not(he's worse than eggman).
anyway, dose anyone know what's the rating age for shadow's game? i doubt it'll be for all ages.
so shadow is a 15 year old carrying a pistol.
50 year old, actually 
Well, most probably older than that, but he's an immortal hedgehog created in a lab and has LOOKED like a 15/20 year old hedgehog since the day he first took breath. He shall look like that until the day he is mowed down in battle aswell.
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anyway, dose anyone know what's the rating age for shadow's game? i doubt it'll be for all ages.
Just a shot in the dark, here, but I'd put my bets and that brand-new ESRB-E10+ rating.
yeah i know that, but still he looks like a kid wearing a costume. besides the kids that like shadow would take it he's their age( that's if they new the story).
i'm very surprised yuji nakka would agree to this game, it's not his style.
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but I'd put my bets and that brand-new ESRB-E10+ rating.
for 10 year olds and above?
it's the above(13 to 16)i'm worried about.
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it's the above(13 to 16)i'm worried about.
Huh? Don't tell me you are afraid that'll be too violent for them...
Here we go into the debate about violent games.
It's the hypodermic needle theory - thought it might as well be called the 'sponge for brain' theory.
Kids grow up too fast anyway, in my opinion.
Look it is going to have guns and such (Cartoony in a way) but it's not like this game is going to be as violent as RE...
I have to wonder if anyone would have even batted an eyelid if Gamma's gun was realistic.
The fact it's a real style gun only serves to make it look silly. Not to make it any more or less violent, mature or anything.
OHNOS! ELMAR FUDD HAS A REALISTIC WEAPON! WE MUST PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!!
That's what I've been wondering too, I even asked if people would've cared this was Fang's game and he was using a realistic gun, didn't get too much of a reply though.
There's no way this game would get an M-rating in the US, unless they added blood and gore, cussing, and all those other requirements. I'm sure Sonic Team won't go that far, even if he does have that gun. Seriously, just because a character has a gun it doesn't mean the game will automatically get an M-rating.
I'm expecting an E-10 rating, myself.
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i'm very surprised yuji nakka would agree to this game, it's not his style.
We don't even know if Naka is working on this title. Supposedly, this is all Iizukia's idea, he's the head of the team for this project.
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OHNOS! ELMAR FUDD HAS A REALISTIC WEAPON! WE MUST PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!!
Elmer never fired his gun, though. And in the rare cases that he did, he never hit anything. It's certainly not in the frequency of a shooter like they're attemping with Shadow.
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Elmer never fired his gun, though. And in the rare cases that he did, he never hit anything. It's certainly not in the frequency of a shooter like they're attemping with Shadow.
Actually, last I checked, he has shot Daffy before. Check the classic "Rabbit season Duck Season" epsiode for that.
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Actually, last I checked, he has shot Daffy before. Check the classic "Rabbit season Duck Season" epsiode for that.
And if anything gun violence was worse in those cartoons because the only consequence they show is Daffy's bill spinning around on his head. So remember kids, shooting at someone point blank with a shotgun only yields hilarious results.
-Shakudo-
"60,000 hits, baby! Whoo!"
And I'd like to know why everyone thinks that Shadow is going to be bursting heads and riddling blood-soaked hookers with piping hot lead. Chances are, the gun is only going to make things blow apart like robots, or dissipate bizzaro aliens. Use some common sense here.
What I'd like to know is why everyone assumes that an M-rating automatically means GTA clone. All you need is the ability to shoot things with a large amount of blood (heck, they don't even have to explode, just bleed!), and boom, M-rating. No hookers. No cursing. Just blood.
Of course, if you use so much blood, chances are that there's a curse word somewhere in the script, but not necessarily...
I wouldn't say everyone thinks this, maybe just a few like Sonicknight. As everyone else basically disagreed with his opinion that this game would go over the top, including me. Atleast in this thread, at the very least, can't speak for everyone else in the world.
Did Timesplitters 3 get an M rating in the US then?
It REALLY doesnt seem like a M game from where i'm standing in the UK, it even goes out of it's way to prevent cursing. When Cortex really REALLY ought to blow his mouth off all he shouts is "DAMNIT", albeit really realy loud.
There is blood, but it's only noticable if youre looking.
Better not forget Carmageddon. The PS Version was best, because there was real blood. All the other versions had green blooded zombies. Even the bloody cows were zombies.
I mean, gotta make it M, or ten year olds might grab their daddy's car and give people a good running over.
I bet if Nack/Fang had been the protagonist, there would be even more outcry.
And I'd like to know why everyone thinks that Shadow is going to be bursting heads
i don't, not unless he plans on shooting eggman.
but really, there's shooters in the U.S that are rated for teens with realistic guns shooting people (without blood, the bad guys just vanish when hit).
but what makes shadow the baddy here, is the fact the heroes in those games are adults(mostly cops). shadow is a child's hero, they shouldnt have used a character from a kids video game in a teen game. Its just too mean, Its like telling kids not to watch batman.
Lucky thing it wasnt sonic, sonic was a game for everyone and it should always be. that's what makes it so super cool.
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Lucky thing it wasnt sonic, sonic was a game for everyone and it should always be. that's what makes it so super cool.
It seems to me quite deliberate that this is Shadow's game not Sonics. Shadow has always been a bit, not quite there when it comes to heroism.
If this is what they had in mind when they brought him back in SH, we should of seen it coming...
Sonic Team is obviously trying their hand at games for the more mature (read, bloodthirsty) player. Shadow, with his "I'm gonna take out an entire civilisation cus I got a grudge against some military jerks" attitude, is the perfect protragonist.
I prefer the term manic.
Stop assuming that everyone who wanted this game wanted blood guts and violence, it's insulting to the makers and insultng to the people who play the game.
By changing the formula and giving Shadow weapons their varying the playability, they've altered the setting andput Shadow in Sonic's place. If the action keeps up as fast as the speed then i'll greatly enjoy the game.
There's nothing bloodthirsty about getting the most out of a game. My main problem with Sonic Heroes is that, as nice as the fast bits are there's very little to do if you take it slow. I liked SA2 because it kept you moving fast while leaping to and from place t oplace, but i didnt like heroes slow bits because, there were slow...
If by adding guns, weapons, blowing up buildings/doing whatever you can just run into a fight, crash and then run on then It should make better gaming.
There is something to be said about games like the jak series (why does everyone say Ratchet and Clank, it's not really anything like that slow moving gadget fest). You arent required to go around causing mayhem, but there is something satisfying gaming wise when you have enemies coming from all directions when you just charge into an area and use whatever you can grab around you to unleash havoc.
It's not bloodthirsty, bloodthirsty is GTA, which I dont think this will be anything like those gagster games.
No, no, no, Swift. What I said was that Sonic team is aiming for the more mature player because of those guns. All previous Sonic games have been, on average, cute. Then Shadow came along and started sneering at everyone, and suddenly their games became rapidly darker.
I mean, look at Shadow 'dying' in SA2. That's dark. Most of the story is. And coming back from the dead in Heroes - well, it's not the dort of ting you hurl at a three-year-old.
So Sonic Team is swinging away from cute. So they're trying new things. So what?
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Did Timesplitters 3 get an M rating in the US then?
Yes, actually, it did. Timesplitters 2 got a T, though, despite shooting zombies' heads off. Thanks for the example in fact, since that works better than Halo (where you can't gib people, but it has cursing so not the best example) or Half-Life (can gib, a bit of cursing).
Thank you Swift, you make a very wise point.
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but really, there's shooters in the U.S that are rated for teens with realistic guns shooting people (without blood, the bad guys just vanish when hit).
I think you miss the point, here. It's still a Sonic Game in lineage. There's little chance of Shadow murdering anyone human. The gun will most likely be used on these robots and alien/experimental monsters. It will be used to detonate charges. It will be used to clear paths. It won't be used to settle petty grudge, or mortally wound humans.
Look at this like a Mario game. Mario throws balls of fire. In the real world, kids should never play with fire. The fire would seriously burn his enemies, either killing them slowly, or make them wish it had. He also stomps on creatures' heads, which (if you've seen American History X) is a very gruesome way of killing people. But, it's a mario game, so these facts are somewhat glossed over in a cartoonish way.
The same will be handled in this Shadow game. Guns will be used in a destructive manner, and possibly as threats, but I hardly see and chance of their being blood and lifelike murder.
(Note: The Spy vs. Spy game has machine guns, buckets of acid, chain saws and rocket launchers, and yet it is only rated "Teen," which is the same as Donkey Konga 2. I predict a Teen rating for this game as well.)
Yeah, it's hardly likely that despite his super speed, Shadow will be allowed to wander off and plug a bullet or two in his enemy Robotnik, or his arch-rival Sonic.
Such false advertising...
Sorry Harley, it's a valid point but I got a bit annoyed by the bloodthirsty ad lib, apart from that you were perfectly right..
Still, it had to be said anyway, so... meh.
