Sad to think Sega hyped the heck out of this game and the 15th year of Sonic in general. =(
Hurried. 
Yeah. That was what probably ruined it. We expected much, but, they hurried it, and it laid out some unexpected suckage.
Yes, I did make that word up.
And btw, the demo controls work just fine for me!!
Sonic's first stage breaks my heart. Three unapologetically difficult sections (for an introductory stage, mind), including the last one that will guarantee death if you don't hit that loop as far left as you can. And if you fail and lose all your lives, well OOPS there's that intro video again... and then that town section where you run around bored to tears running errands in order to get the two power-ups you need to reach the 1st Stage Ring. Then you get to try the stage again YAY.
*sigh* Third time's the charm. Anyway, thanks to all the "Silver's cheap!" whining across the boards from days prior I was able to discern that letting him get within arm's length of Sonic was a major NO-NO.
And then of course, it was time to try out Silver/Blaze whose gameplay style was less nerve-wracking than dodging trees and rocks with Sonic. Just move along, pick crap up and toss 'em in all directions. Which wouldn't be all that difficult if the freaking camera would stay still for more than 5 seconds. Seriously, the camera goes from following directly behind the character giving you a great view then when you're forced to back up it flies overhead, limiting your view to Silver's forehead and the floor. WTF. Meanwhile I'm losing where the enemies are located so I can fling rusted fender at them but if flung before I could get the camera positioned right the projectiles always miss. Are we having fun yet?
Actually, kinda. OH SHI-!
Just played Kingdom Valley, after eons of headaches from other crap.
Wow, this is a really well designed map, and compared to the demo, practically EVERYTHING is fixed ... well, better anyways. There's still problems here and there, but the first act is one of the perfect sweet spots of the game.
Aquatic Base is a @#%$ with 2 lives. 🙁
Forget about the gameplay, all I wanna know is if the PLOT'S any good!
I've never ever had a huge problem with gameplay in Sonic games, except for perhaps Heroes, and the camera may be crap sometimes, but I don't get worried about it.
As long as it's got an amazing story like in Sa2, then it's worth buying.
^...
It seems sad that people would spend $60 for 20-30 mins of CGI in a freakin' Sonic the Hedgehog game of all things.
Not rent, not watch them on Youtube, not even waiting for the sales, but just buy at retail price. =( It's like supporting Sonic Team for doing the wrong thing.
Even RPGs with great stories cannot be considered good if they don't have decent game mechanics to back it up.
Anyways, a certain Last Story scene that is circulating on Youtube is crap. Really crap.
Also, if anybody out there still complaining about Shane's 5.5 score at 1up.com--know that he's a fan of platformers and he gave it the highest score out of everyone among the 1up staff. And speaking of the story, he's not fond of it also--assuming you had not read the full review.
again, someone please help me
i bought sonic's superspeed and slow motion moves. can anyone tell me how to actually DO those moves?
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It seems sad that people would spend $60 for 20-30 mins of CGI in a freakin' Sonic the Hedgehog game of all things.
Well, I'm a fan of the what's going on in the world of Sonic =P. But of course, I wouldn't be spending so much on CGI clips I could view on the internet. I would spend money on it because as a fan I feel the need to not be cheap and pay for it and keep it (Tho' I usually watch Video Game clips on Youtube, "Sonic" is different^_^)
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Even RPGs with great stories cannot be considered good if they don't have decent game mechanics to back it up.
True, true. When I played FFX, the story was amazing and it really interested me. But the gameplay just seemed to get in the way with me continuing the story =P.
Same for Sa2, KH, KH2, FFIX, Xenogears, Phantom Brave, etc.
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Anyways, a certain Last Story scene that is circulating on Youtube is crap. Really crap.
Sounds delicious x3. I've always said that Sonic the Hedgehog can get away with cheesy. Don't know how, don't know why. But he can.
There is some good news...
The later levels are actually quite an improvement. Today I used Sonic on the train and Jungle levels. Except for a few minor glitches, they were actually pretty fun.
I'm starting to like Shadows levels better than Silvers. While Silvers powers are very cool, his stages are too slow. His first stage was the best so far, and they've gotten kinda bland since.
It' wierd, but with this game, it's like the later you get into it, the better it gets.
Ah, there! Ya see?
All we need is a positive attitude about the game ^_^!
Or maybe shig's finally getting used to the controls. *bricked*
Also the latest Edge mag gave it a 3 out of 10...the lowest score in that particular issue.
I have a feeling Gamerankings won't be kind with this title.
You know, I'm glad I wasn't expecting this game to be much good.
Otherwise, this would be awful.
Bring on Sonic and the Secret Rings!
I don't see why my 360 would die, I've only had it since july and haven't played it a whole bunch. and yes the great game i was talking about was sonic.
Wow... Just... Wow... Going by Erikas link, I can't believe they stuffed up the soundtrack so bad. It's just... So bland.
None of the tracks stand out at all. Generic, generic, generic. It sounds like they really wanted to go Final Fantasy on us, and to be honest, failed miserbly. Please note that all orchestrated music =/= automatic good soundtrack. Neither does chucking a techno-ey drum beat in the background of the previously mentioned orchestrated music.
Where's the funky, catchy little Sonic numbers we know and actually like? Say what you want about the music for Knuckles levels in SA2, but it honestly spits on this soundtrack from a great height. Maybe the soundtrack will work better when I'm actually playing the game, but I doubt it.
Thankfully, I can play my own soundtracks via the 360, so hoorah for small miracles. Jun Senoue should have composed the soundtrack (Heck, even get Hideki Naganuma or Richard Jacques to do it). Speaking of Senoue, his version of His World was literally the only tracked I like.
And speaking of His World, I boycott that as Sonics' theme. And someone please shoot someone else for messing with Sweet Sweet Sweet.
And just think, I've only heard the soundtrack. Imagine how much the game may dissapoint me. 
Out of all the complaints I've heard about this game Gyser, yours is the first to complain about the music of all things. I actually think the music is a breath of fresh air as Senoue was getting pretty stale as of late. I think the music is one of the very few positive things about this game.
Though I too like Senoue's remix of his world though he only seemed to add the guitars as the basic composition was still decent before it.
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I don't see why my 360 would die, I've only had it since july and haven't played it a whole bunch.
Sorry, man. It does happen--especially if you bought an early model.
I take we can assume the PS3 version (along with the eventuallytobe PC version) will be just as buggy... if not worse?
Hmm...
The music seems a mix, good but not distinctive...
However, I do prefer His World without vocals, they detract from the rest of the song.
Sweet sweet, the chorus is good but I dont like the drums in the verses.. oh well, personal taste.
I hope there's a PC version, as i'll probably buy that if it does come out down the line in the UK. Otherwise, i'll only be playing this game if my brother decides to buy a PS3 or Xbox 360, and then only during the holidays when i visit him 
That said, a lot of the complaints people have seen to diminish the more you play the game. Apparently it is one of those that gets better as they go along.
Reviewers though, I can understand hating that as they only have so long to get into each game and they've seen so many that it'd just annoy them.
Somebody tell me these things in spoiler tags.
Why is Blaze on Silver's side? Is her world actually Silver's future? Does this happen before Sonic Rush? Does she recognize Sonic? Is Eggman Nega involved? Why does Amy team up with them?
Do Silver and Blaze go away into ther own times/universes at the end so we'll be rid of them?
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| Blaze and Silver are from the same future, it probably happens before Sonic Rush because at the end of his story, Silver seals her in a parallel dimension. She doesn't really have much of a chance to meet up with Sonic, but upon mentioning of a "blue hedgehog" she mumbles with herself about it, although it isn't really a sign of her recognizing him in any way. Eggman Nega is not involved. Amy mistakes Silver for Sonic (ala SA2 with Shadow) and since both her and Silver are looking for somebody (Sonic) they decide to team up. Blaze is sent to another universe, Silver remains in the present time, but probably has no memory from his future (and of all the events of the game) because of the time reset. |
I agree with pretty much everything Ashide Bunni's been saying about the game. The soundtrack is actually pretty good. There's no lame, pop rock. Except that main theme. "HE's got mad hits pumpin out his stereo-eo!" Ewwwwww.
If they had just fine tuned the controls, and got rid of the ridiculous loading in Soleanna, the game would have been decent.
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That said, a lot of the complaints people have seen to diminish the more you play the game. Apparently it is one of those that gets better as they go along.
Not so sure about that since there have been complaints that the game gets worse as you move on--especially with certain puzzles with Silver.
SPOILERS...Maybe...(Select to read)
Looks like Eggman didn't get his position as main Villain ONCE AGAIN.
Instead we get the same "Eggman gets master plan, releases evil being, which later causes the situation to become too much for him to control, he joins Sonic's side and cheers him on in his victory"
Seriously, I was really looking forward to a Sonic & Knuckles / Sonic CD esque final fightr between Sonic & Eggman...but alas...NO.
Eh, well. That was pretty easy to guess.
Wow, "Aquatic Base" is an amazing song!
I'm the kinda guy who listens to Moby religoiusly, so this kind of music is PERFECT for me.
Such an epic feel to it...
Ashide is right. This really does feel like a breath of fresh air in Sonic music.
Who else was ready to puke while listening to "Sonic Heroes"? =P
I have to admit whilst His World is meh. The lyric: "He's like a running man in this world" Is the greatest lyric ever. EVER.
I like the soundtrack. Switching between the Crisis City music and Flame Core: Volcano. Crisis City reminds me of Metallic Madness for some reason.
I still want to play the game and judge it for myself. But I'm not rushing to get a 300-430 Next Gen console for it.
Has anyone played as Omega yet? Any good?
You know what the music reminds me of?
Sonic CD. I think they're trying to emulate that game's music. (Which had the best music out of any Sonic game in my personal opinion.)
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I don't see why my 360 would die, I've only had it since july and haven't played it a whole bunch.
You should be covered by warranty.
So... with the general consensus... does this play better or worse than Shadow?
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Has anyone played as Omega yet? Any good?
He is average. He doesn't play like Gamma did, he play more like the Tornado stages from SA(just hold X button and he will fire lock on missiles on nearest enemy).His new VA is not as good as previous VA. He sound more machine-like than before.
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So... with the general consensus... does this play better or worse than Shadow?
Better, expecially story wise and soundtrack. Also Mephiles is better villain than Black Doom was. Dan Green does a good job of voicing him than he did with Knuckles.He does need to work on his evil laugh though.
Spoilers (Select To Read): I think I've cracked the code. Took me a while.
Anyways, seeing as how Silver seals Blaze in another dimension (perhaps Silver's world, whist Silver stays in the present of wherever), she seems to have forgotten about Sonic (almost?) completely. And this happened before Rush, which would explain why when Blaze appeared in Sonic Rush without her "brother" Silver.
But as I see it, the time thing could work one of these two ways. Either Blaze is still in her world, in her future and Silver is in the present on Earth, OR!
Blaze is in the same world, only in the present, before Iblis' attack. And Silver is still here, on Earth.
This is clearly, 100% speculation. Two more complaints about pulling stuff out of my ass and I'll just make a "crackpot theory" thread.
NOTE: I really did think about this for a while.
Could you also provide a speculation on how Sonic grew about 3 feet?
It's a redesign. Deal with it.
And it's closer to 1 or 2 feet.
No offense guys, but a game's quality is usually shown by the audience it attracts. People played the original sonics didn't have to read the comics or be a fan to enjoy them. They just simply played them. A person knows they've got a good game when it attracts new a lot of new people to the franchise, and that hasn't happened since Sonic Adventure 2's port to the Gamecube. Sonic Rush is another example, because the a lot of the people who've played and enjoy that game don't own every game with 'Sonic' in the title.
You want to excuse this game's lack of quality on something like "they don't play it right"? Did you ever think that control was an aspect of a game as well? Quite frankly, I think a person who isn't normally a blue hedgehog fan won't be inspired to go through a bunch of pitfall deaths, just so he can see this game's real "quality".
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It's a redesign. Deal with it.
And it's closer to 1 or 2 feet.
I know thaaat. 
I finally beat it with Sonic's side. I can't get over how beautifully orchestrated this game is. It would be perfect if it played as good as the old Adventure games. Finally the music can be listened to anytime! Too bad I can't rip them.
CPP, yer totally right, I couldn't agree with ya more!
OH, and guys? SCREW the Website Reviews. They don't mean a thing. Ya know why? Cuz when a site reviews a game, they're NOT AVERAGE video game players. They play game after game after game, and soon put their expectations waaaay up there, which is totally out of whack.
What I do is read the User reviews from Gamefaqs. I trust these people cuz they're normal people who don't own an entire website based on reviews.
And all those normal people gave "Sonic the Hedgehog" and average of 8 out of 10.
Melikes.
The majority of those people who gave this game an 8 out of 10 are the fanboys who would eat dogcrap if it had Sonic's face on it.
You'd think all these unanimously bad reviews of the game would serve to detract me from wanting it so badly. Sadly... it doesn't. =/ Becaue all I see is gorgeous visuals and pleasing PSO-ish music, and screenshots that don't reveal poor controls or camera angles.
And being the impulsive spender that I am, I may just "accidentally" buy an Xbox 360 for this game and regret for that for the next year. I wish I had a friend with an Xbox 360, or a friend at all for that matter.
When will they ever learn...? 
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The majority of those people who gave this game an 8 out of 10 are the fanboys who would eat dogcrap if it had Sonic's face on it.
Then it's a good thing that I'm a raging Sonic fanboy then! x3
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The majority of those people who gave this game an 8 out of 10 are the fanboys who would eat dogcrap if it had Sonic's face on it.
Must we go through this. If one's opinion isn't suicidal, surperiority complexing, or just plain evil, than there's no reason to criticize them because of there opinion. Zelda fans are in an uproar because Gamespot gave Twilight Princess an 8.8. It's just one f***ing opinion.
Sometimes I wish I was never human.
Funny to see how polarized the results are though. People are either saying GOD! Its AWFUL! or GOD! Its FUN!. No ones there saying eh its ok
Ya know, with Yuji Naka gone, SEGA has a new producer, and with a new producer, comes stuff we are unfamiliar with.
An ok rating?.....that's the "Middle Way" right there. Ya know, nothing should be too good or too bad.
A guitar string must be in the middle to work.
Ya know, basically how I think everyday. 
What I do is read the User reviews from Gamefaqs.
This is absolutely the worse advice I've ever heard.
Seriously, trust raging fantards on Gamefaqs, GAMEFAQS of all places who would eat up any upchuck of their favorite franchise now matter how awful it is because they still in their own little bubble of its the greatest series of all time, when everyone else shakes their head sadly. It's the same thing as having a gaggle of 10 year-old kids rush to get the latest BVG or THQ franchise drivel because they loooove everything about the franchise. And as of now Sonic, seems to be on the technical level of those kiddie crap games such as Spongebob or Bratz: Forever Diamonds.
And you are going to suggest, I should take review advice from them over people who have played countless of games that even I never had a chance to play, and who usually don't carry any heavy fanboy-ish biases that blinds them from seeing how bad a game is constructed compared to other games?
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Then it's a good thing that I'm a raging Sonic fanboy then! x3
No offense, but I think scatology is gross.
AB wins.
o_O Dude, what you got stuck in your ass?
The people who did the reviews at gamefaqs gave good reasons for why they gave it such a score. It was valid, let me assure you.
And plus, seeing how I'm a Sonic the Hedgehog fan, I don't understand how reading the opinion of a fellow fan is wrong. If a hardcore Mario fan reviewed "Halo 2" and said it was a piece of @#%$, the people who like Halo would shrug it off and say "F you." (Or at least that's all they should do)
But if someone who really enjoyed "Halo" played "Halo 2", thought it was a piece of @#%$, then made a crummy review of it, then someone else who played "Halo" and haven't tried out "Halo 2" yet would take the reviewer's opinion to heart, since they share similar interests.
>_< Gah, I don't know if I'm explaining this right.
OH, and...
"No offense, but I think scatology is gross."
Scatology is the study of @#%$, soo...
I would not be offended if you told me you did not like to study crap. In fact, I agree with you, @#%$ isn't a fun topic to study.
Wait wait wait wait wait. So what you're saying is, you're willing to listen to the Sonic fans who love and adore this game, but shut out the fans who hate it?
Huh, sounds to me like you're no so much taking other gamer's reviews into consideration. Seems to me like you're only hearing and paying attention to what you WANT to hear.
No no no. I know what you're trying to say, but my point was a bit different.
People come to appreciate Sonic the Hedgehog after being a fan for so long, right?
They seem to understand more about the game, (Such as the basics of how the game is played) and care more about what Sonic is doing in the plot of the story.
Some reviewers play hundreds of games a year, and when they sit down for "Sonic", they don't really care about Sonic, where as an avid Sonic fan really can't wait to sit down and hang with Sonic for a while.
You know what I mean? I suppose, yeah, it's good to hear what the outside thinks while looking in. But don't take too much of what they say to heart, since there's a chance that they may not like Sonic, or adventure games for that matter.
Everyone has their preferences.
User reviews are written by people like you, since they chose to BUY the $60 game.
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o_O Dude, what you got stuck in your ass?
People who support the murder porn of a once beloved franchise. ;-( And it burns.
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The people who did the reviews at gamefaqs gave good reasons for why they gave it such a score. It was valid, let me assure you.
And the people who gave it poor scores also gave their reasons why they hate it. How are their opinions any less valid than the Sonitaku?
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And plus, seeing how I'm a Sonic the Hedgehog fan, I don't understand how reading the opinion of a fellow fan is wrong.
Except some of these fellow fans seem to looove Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog, neglecting to mention or minimize the gamebreaking faults or just spewing crap to ignore the professional reviewers who actually play games that are *GASP* better constructed than Sonic.
HAHAHAHAHA NO Thank You!
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But if someone who really enjoyed "Halo" played "Halo 2", thought it was a piece of @#%$, then made a crummy review of it, then someone else who played "Halo" and haven't tried out "Halo 2" yet would take the reviewer's opinion to heart, since they share similar interests.
Well, hey guess what? The 1up 5.5 review is from a man who is a fan of the Sonic games and platformers in general. Also here is a well-written, Must read, review essay from a well-known, die-hard Sonic fan who hated this game so much that he calls it one of the worst games he's ever played. Not one of the worse Sonic games, just one of the worst games in general period.
And did I mention, Ian Potto(yes, that Ian Potto) called this game sloppy, hollow, and a Sonic game as if the current EA made it?
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Scatology is the study of @#%$, soo...
I would not be offended if you told me you did not like to study crap. In fact, I agree with you, @#%$ isn't a fun topic to study.
You seem to missed the joke as you agreed that you were a raging fanboy in response to WW's following comment.
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WW:The majority of those people who gave this game an 8 out of 10 are the fanboys who would eat dogcrap if it had Sonic's face on it.
<Shrug> S'pose they had extremely high expectations for "Sonic the Hedgehog". S'pose they wanted this and that, and they didn't get it.
In frustration for the lack of whatever they NEEDED to have a good time, their negative attitudes point out and exagerate on the flaws of the game. I never, ever take into consideration extremely terrible reviews. There are some people who can't be pleased, and they're not worth listening to. Of course, this goes for the super-positive people, too. They focus WAY too much on the minor elements of the game that are good. They can't be trusted because they fail to point out the flaws.
There was maybe one or two of those at Gamefaqs. The other ones gave both highs and lows. YES, they ADDRESSED the lows (omfg!o_o). They aren't fans who have been around only for two years, as they gave refrence to "Sonic Adventure".
Let's review!
Crappy reviews=Most likely a pessimistic player
Super fun reviews=Most likely a overly positive player
Scores between 4-8(out of 10) and address flaws and pluses= Good, acceptable reviews.
(Of course, this doesn't apply to games that are so, so, SO awful that every single person who has played it hates it)
Disregard any prollums in my english or my point- I am very sleepy -_-
G'night.
Not having played any previous games in a series does not make one's opinion any less valid, and reviewing hundreds of games a year, most of which are better than Sonic '06, actually makes one's opinion more valid, as it's an educated opinion instead of just blind 'OMG ITZ SONIK SO IT MUZT BE GUD EVEN THO THE CAMRUH, CONTROLZ, GRAFIX, AND STOREELYN ARE PISS-POOR! 10/10' praise.
The point is, whether or not you're a Sonic fan, you have to look at the game objectively, and compare it to other games of its generation and genre, which tends not to show Sonic in a favorable light, because as I've said before, every single aspect of this game is below the standard.
