No Matrix moves yet, though.
So is it Iblis Trigger, or Iblis Dagger? And if it's the former, how long before we get Chrono Trigger photoshops?
Where did we hear that the white guy is playable?
What makes people think that said white guy is angsty? Sounds more like he's just a hero who knows more than Sonic does, and is just trying to stop Sonic from meddling with the greater good. Or he could be a villain. I dunno. Regardless, "angst" isn't what comes to mind. "Proto Man", maybe.
Is this new princess human or anthro? I was imagining her to be a second new hedgehog, myself.
This plot screams X-Treme, even though there's enough of a difference. Screams Mario, too.
Finally, it's seriously looking like the inclusion of Tails or Knuckles or anyone else from the older games who ISN'T Sonic or Eggman is going to be pretty slim... am I the only person to think that's a GOOD thing? Because, as much as I like Tails, the inclusion of everyone and the kitchen sink is getting old, fast. A roster wipe and then re-adding everyone in, slowly, is a good thing in my mind.
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Where did we hear that the white guy is playable?
"You'll also be able to play as the new character," first page, fourth paragraph. It's briefly mentioned here.
Yeah the story does scream Sonic X-treme. I was being a very sarcastic about the angst of the new hedgehog. I suppose its going to be interesting how he turns out.
I want to see if the Adventure Fields are actually big, busy and actually places to explore. I do think that in terms of playability it will be Sonic and the White Hedgehog. But I wouldn't be surprised if older character cameoed in the game/adventure fields.
Well after this annoucement I do want this more to be a technically slick and solid platformer to build a solid base from. If this game isn't even that then maybe its time for Sonic to return to 2D.
Meh to the Adventure Fields. If they had anthros instead of humans, then yay to the Adventure Fields.
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No Matrix moves yet, though
Sadly true.
Normally, I'm against bullet time being overused, but it'd make so much sense in Sonic...
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Finally, it's seriously looking like the inclusion of Tails or Knuckles or anyone else from the older games who ISN'T Sonic or Eggman is going to be pretty slim... am I the only person to think that's a GOOD thing? Because, as much as I like Tails, the inclusion of everyone and the kitchen sink is getting old, fast. A roster wipe and then re-adding everyone in, slowly, is a good thing in my mind.
I agree entirely! Since I recently got my hands on Sonic Gems Collection, I've been playing Sonic CD a lot, and there's something much more enjoyable about a Sonic adventure rather than Sonic and friends. Maybe it's because it IS about Sonic and Eggman, and IS about Sonic as the hero, not needing his friends for back up. Plus it feels more satisfying.
As for all the news on the game, I'm gonna hold out for the actual demonstration at E3 and maybe any demos released in the future. Though I have to say, the Adventure fields' return makes me very happy, and the screenshots, while not the best display of next gen power yet seen, still are very nice to look at. The story sounds more like fanfiction than actual in game story, but again, I'll wait to see more.
From the Gamespy article, I found this tidbit most interesting:
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But most important of all was the blistering speed that Sonic can move at. There are essentially two levels of speed too. The first is still really fast and represents the movement around the hub world levels and the regular stages. But second level is reserved for specific areas in the regular levels, and this is where the coined "mach speed areas" are found. The mach speed content uses a zoom-out camera perspective and some clever camera work to give a much increased sensation of speed. These stages literally look like the fastest moving sections of pretty much any action game I've ever seen.
That's a VERY good addition, and just what we need.
So... Sonic had a huge growth spurt apparently. I can't say I like the idea of Sonic being close to six feet tall. That kind of height don't seem to suit the proportions for the design.
Wow, after seeing IGN talking about princesses and calling Eggman "Robotnik", I'm starting to wonder if the rumor of restarting the continuity is correct. Also I agree with Robo that it sounds more like fanfiction then the actual game.
Also, the flame of hope I had for this to come to the Wii is dimming now, though I'm still holding out hope for a Wii announcement come E3. Hmm, I wonder if this white hedgie could be "Nazo."
The story sounds good (if its real) but I was expecting better. I also wish Dr. Eggman is the main villain.
The Wii game has already been confirmed in one of these X360/PS3 previews - they just haven't let up anything on it.
Of course Eggman's the main villain. He kidnapped the freakin' princess, who is apparently the MacGuffin here (I don't see any real plot significance here, yet - it could seriously be just about anything, which is the very definition of a MacGuffin). Thus far, in fact, he's the only person to deal with the MacGuffin - that's a pretty good indication, really.
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The Wii game has already been confirmed in one of these X360/PS3 previews
Are you saying Sonic Next-Gen is coming to the Wii, or are you talking about the rumored Wii exclusive game that IGN talked about awhile ago? If Next-Gen is coming to the Wii, then I'm gonna have to be ready to do my happy dance!
Exclusive. This game's stayin' where it is, despite my desire for a PC port (and not a year after the fact).
Oh, okay, yeah, I knew about the exclusive I just am desparately wanting Next-Gen on the Wii, that was the hope I was talking about. If it means I have to get a PS3/360 and Wii, I rather go without a Wii exclusive.
One of the articles mentions a "more sinister-looking Eggman." Can't wait to see what that's all about. I hope they don't mess with his design too much.
I'm not wild about the idea of Sonic being the size of a regular human. I'm so used to Sonic being a lil' 3'3" hedgehog, not a human-sized...hedgehog.
The plot sounds interesting enough, but I hate the idea of yet another hedgehog. It's been done, people. Eh, maybe I'm being a little harsh. Here's hoping he's a well-utilized character. I hope his gameplay is at least as fun as playing as Sonic.
Adventure fields = teh yay. I love being able to explore areas. I'm hoping we see the return of Sonic emblems scattered about.
I wouldn't count the other characters out yet. Remember that at this stage in Sonic Adventure 2's life, we thought only Sonic and Knuckles were playable. I'm sure they'll cram at least 2 or 3 more playable characters down our throats.
Found this at The GHZ.
Source. Also has Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (the Wii game) screens, if that tickles your fancy.
Shadow's apparently in the game too. Bleh. Then again, now we have both black and white. Although the white one looks a helluva lot less cool than I'd thought he would.
However, there's now a PC version being announced, which works for me - I'm building one for UT2K7 anyway, so I might just pick up that version and call it a day, barring any really stupid moves (like including StarForce or something).
I don't see what all the big fuss is about Sonic's height. I'd much rather seem him roughly the size of a human, anyway. But that's just one person's opinion.
As for the picture SH just pulled up: Great. Just 'effin great. Despite being a Shadow fanboy, here I was thinking that this Sonic Game wouldn't really have him.
And the white 'hog doesn't exactly look like he's going to live up to expectations, either.
Great. =/
My dreams just crashed. And crashed. And crashed. And crashed. They eventually burned, but that was after the fiery explosion.
For some reason I knew that the new Hedgehog would wear boots like Jet.
I just wonder if Sega are actually using the same studio who produced the rather sexy CGI movies in Shadow and Riders to make the new in game models. They look a bit similar IMHO. Also Travellers Tales did the same thing for the Narnia Xbox 360 game.
Edit: Angsty is back. YAY!
Putting the new hog's ugliness and weirdness aside for a few seconds, how the f**k did anyone manage to mistake his fur colour as white? It's barely even a light blue.
Moving on to his other features...it looks like they tried too hard to make him more unique than Shadow and ended up placing him a little on the...odd side. Oh well. At least he's unique. And not wearing any gloves.
About the height; remember, the 5'-odd figure could be nothing but an estimation by the magazine. We've known he's been elongated since the first shots and footage, and I don't think ST would stretch his official height above 4'.
ps3.gamedaily.com/game/fe...d=292&rp=3
Odd. Game Daily says that Sonic and Co. are quite small compred to humans...
*sees picture*
Yep. Creative Bankruptcy 100% confirmed. 
And Shadow is in this...great...
I bet we have to play as him(guns and all also). Thanks a lot, Sega!
I thought this was game was called Sonic the Hedgehog not Sonic, Shadow, and Shadow 2 the Hedgehog. And dang it why do the have to pose in an apocolypictic(sp?) city? Is Sega trying to tell us that they would like to take the Sonic console platformers in the same dark and eXtreme direction as Shadow? If so then they totally suck. Totally, totally SUCK! =(
And the tech demo looked so pretty. =(
*hope for this game decreasing*
Once again pretty graphics and nice ideas raise our hopes and Sega brutally destroy them just as fast. We should learn never to love, never to trust.
PA were right, Sega are rapists.
Wait a minute.....human shape....oversized quills......SEGA HAS HIRED RON LIM!!!
My God.
They also got their idea of Shadow 2 from Deviantart.
And to think the original title of this thread was Ladies and Gentlemen, Sonic the Hedgehog is Reborn!
I guess when it comes to Sonic, it really is a commodity first and emphasis on creativity and effort later for Sega seeing that they can get away with releasing feces(Shadow the Hedgehog) and still have it sell decently--sadly.
But I guess the Sonic games are just to fund Sega the games they really want to make(such as Yakuza). =
Can we actually play the game before it gets sent down to the pits of death.
We can argue the toss about whether Shadow and this new hedgehog will dilute the quality of the title but the fact is that they will probably play very similar to Sonic if not exactly the same.
So maybe now it isn't going to be Sonic on his own like it (should) was meant to be but its now going to be Sonic, Who and Why.
And about the style. Its just like the first Sonic Adventure really. Maybe even more so. We have seen two levels and heard about a Hub level.
Im not saying you're wrong but at least wait for the first review.
I mean I have given up on the story though. Completely.
Frankly I'd rather remain cautiously optimistic about everything instead of complaining all the time (seriously, anyone here want some cheese with that whine?).
Fine, so Shadow's in it. Fine, so the new character isn't very imaginative. But frankly, if I have fun with the game, I couldn't give a damn about how fan-character-y it all came across.
This is the first new game that at least LOOKS like the gameplay is going back to its roots. Sure, it's still got a lot of influence from Adventure, but not only did I greatly enjoy that title the first run through, but also it sounds like they're trying to analyze what's worked and not worked and fix some things here. I mean, mach speed areas sound incredibly dull and linear, but face it, weren't there a few areas like that in S3&K anyway? Running around that corkscrew in Lava Reef Act 1 comes to mind. Or Sonic CD, with the really tall wall you flung yourself over in Palmtree Panic 1 Present. Plus, from what I'd read, the levels are quite a bit more vast and explorable - that is, the Action Stages, not the Town ones. That's still leaps and bounds better than Shadow's linear crap.
Can it suck? Yes, verifiably. WILL it suck? Frankly, I'm not so convinced it will. Sure, the plot may be coming across as rather bleh, but I kind of like the fantasy vibe that Princess is giving the title (even if it clashes with Westopolis v2.0). Plus, the gameplay doesn't have those crappy gimmicks that the more recent titles had - no crappy teamplay, no crappy gunplay, no crappy fetch quests (yet), just running like mad. And isn't that what everyone said was the best thing about the Adventure series, anyway?
As long as Shadow and the white guy have some differentiation that make them fun to play as without eclipsing Sonic, while not sharing the exact same stages (Rush's biggest weakness, frankly), then it shouldn't be too bad.
And yeah, let's not tl;dr this.
Well, see, I reserve my right to complain. The only reason I was allowing optimism for this game was because it promised to be back to basics, Sonic and Eggman.
Now it's three hedgehogs. It has a Westopolis level and the tech demo already shows rails.
Thusly, it has everything I hate about the Sonic franchise and none of the promised redeeming points.
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But frankly, if I have fun with the game, I couldn't give a damn about how fan-character-y it all came across.
Agreed, and so far no game-play gimmick has been claimed, although I'm sure we'll see the simple, "who is this mysterious hedgehog?" everywhere. Not that this has to do with gameplay. I somewhat wish they had not even mentioned this new hedgehog, because people are going to be talking more about the weird hair-do instead of the awesome look of the game. Then again I suppose it's necessary to supply us with plot info, and it sounds like the new guy is a big part of that.
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This is the first new game that at least LOOKS like the gameplay is going back to its roots.
Again, I concur. I go back and play Sonic's levels all the time in SA1 & SA2, because those are the closest things to a 3D version of the Genesis days.
The new guy should (and may) be a porcupine, IMO. His appearance and the sight of Shadow being in there* has crushed my spirits a bit for the game's style/atmosphere**, but I also agree with some of you, and am allowing myself to be dumb and, yet again, put a little faith that they might pull off a good game.
I want to see this new aerial charge move, could be useful.
It looks like that 'dance' style attack action in one of the screens may be a Mario-esque sweep kick, which I also like. If there's going to be plenty of enemies and tough ones at that, combat's definitely going to need to be made fun and actually effective, unlike it was in Heroes and Shadow.
* If he was in there as an NPC wandering one of the Town Stages, and give a bit of advice or something, and had nothing to do with the story, I'd be completely cool with it. But he's likely gonna be more than that, I guess.
** That said, I too kinda like the more fantasy feel, what with the princess of the water capital and all. A while ago I would've been a bit.. 'against' it, but after aliens and alternate dimensions I kinda want to get into something a little more 'storybook'.
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This is the first new game that at least LOOKS like the gameplay is going back to its roots.
Why couldn't the art direction and certain other concepts go back to its roots also? I mean, despite of some technical graphical issues of Sonic Heroes, I liked the art direction of that game. It was bright, colorful, fantasy-like and it had blue sky. It was unfortunate that the gameplay reeked to high heaven.
This seems like the opposite in that it sounds like it has decent gameplay so far, but it has some bad art direction from the screencaps we've seen. Dark, dreary, ultra realstic, and generic robot designs that doesn't need to be in a Sonic game. I also fear the inclusion of Shadow and Shadow 2 as the adds to the sinking feeling that Sega will try to hard to make Sonic "TEH MATURE!!" with more ANGST! It's supposed to be a franchise about an optimistic, cocky yet loveable blue hedgehog for goodness sake! Sonic should have more humor not angst!
And please don't say art direction doesn't matter in a game--especially in action games like this because it does matter as it is part of the experince in a game. Would Viewtiful Joe or Okami get the same reception and critial acclaim if Clover Studios used realistic or generic 3D for both games? Would Katamari Damacy actually feel the same if instead of playing as the Danshing Prince, rolling a katamari for various stylized junk to make stars and planets for the universe, you play as a demon rolling a spiked ball for dead bodies and lost souls for Satan to rape. Heck, even Mario wouldn't be Mario if Nintendo would place him on a Resident Evil-like setting instead of the Mushroom Kingdom and he had the stomp on zombies', and other creatures' of the damned heads--even if they gave him familar power-ups like the fire flower.
Also I's surprised that you didn't post the thread where the picture originally came from.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98290
Though that thread is more negative than what I have been on this game.
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* If he was in there as an NPC wandering one of the Town Stages, and give a bit of advice or something, and had nothing to do with the story, I'd be completely cool with it.
Agrees on that.
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** That said, I too kinda like the more fantasy feel, what with the princess of the water capital and all. A while ago I would've been a bit.. 'against' it, but after aliens and alternate dimensions I kinda want to get into something a little more 'storybook'.
Pity that these new screens dimishes that proposed "storybook" effect. =/
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However, there's now a PC version being announced,
I am promtply cheered.
Btw, 3D rails can be done well. Go play Psychonauts.
So that what the new hedgehog looks like?
O__O
I just hope he has some kind of cool power.
EDIT- You know looking at pic better, this could fake. That Shadow look a lot like he did in his current gen game. What I mean is that pic look too PS2 rather than PS3. Plus the writer of the IGN article said the hedgehog was white not blueish.
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EDIT- You know looking at pic better, this could fake. That Shadow look a lot like he did in his current gen game. What I mean is that pic look too PS2 rather than PS3. Plus the writer of the IGN article said the hedgehog was white not blueish.
We've also heard "cream" and "gray" in addition to white. =P
I like the looks of the game so far, but why oh why must we have yet another new charachter? He looks too much like Sonic and Shadow. I'm also wondering why Shadow is there. And saving a princess? That's Mario's area of expertise. Meh, guess we'll find out more soon enough. Then I can actually make something of this.
I highly disagree about how they should use the Heroes style...Heroes was the worst looking of all the 3D games...style wise I mean. I am not going to pass judgement on "Whitey" even though he's blue.
Though that fact that Shadow is here bugs me a bit, since I was expecting the Adventure continuity to be crapped on and end, and this be the start of a new continunity.
and the reason that Sonic and the robots and everything look realistic is because it is supposed to be reality...real reality.
*agrees with Xag, except on the psychonauts thing, cause I hasn't sampled it. Rather I cite the earlier levels of SA2, with the fun, entertaining, but non-essential-non-glitchy rails*
Also, this game, I've now gone from being regretfully enthusiastic (in that I have no newestgenism conosles, but drooled at the screens) to hopefully pessimestic (In that, I hope the game will be good, SA 1 or 2 material, but actually expect it to , but expect Heroes or worse fare...)
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But I guess the Sonic games are just to fund Sega the games they really want to make(such as Yakuza). =
Now you're catching on.
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Also I's surprised that you didn't post the thread where the picture originally came from.
I had. It was the link labelled "Source".
Yes, I've edited the post since you've said this, but that was to fix the image; for some reason, it was giving me a 404 all of a sudden.
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Why couldn't the art direction and certain other concepts go back to its roots also? I mean, despite of some technical graphical issues of Sonic Heroes, I liked the art direction of that game. It was bright, colorful, fantasy-like and it had blue sky. It was unfortunate that the gameplay reeked to high heaven.
This seems like the opposite in that it sounds like it has decent gameplay so far, but it has some bad art direction from the screencaps we've seen. Dark, dreary, ultra realstic, and generic robot designs that doesn't need to be in a Sonic game. I also fear the inclusion of Shadow and Shadow 2 as the adds to the sinking feeling that Sega will try to hard to make Sonic "TEH MATURE!!" with more ANGST! It's supposed to be a franchise about an optimistic, cocky yet loveable blue hedgehog for goodness sake! Sonic should have more humor not angst!
In response to this, let's put it this way: pretty much any attempts at humor in Sonic games haven't really come across very well. Frankly, the lines are almost always cheesy enough that that's humor right there for ya.
As for how dark and dreary = bad... Frankly, I think of the castle stage more than the demolished city one. That's fantasy right there, and frankly, I think it's the ideal location for a Sonic game.
Also, Sonic CD was pretty dark, too. Just go to any Bad Future, you'll see what I mean. Demolished cities aren't immediately "Shadow 2 OMG", although Shadow's inclusion on the picture does kinda make the connection a lot easier.
Also, since Sonic is the central character here (I don't think that Iblis Trigger-hating guy or Shadow are going to have major plots goin' on here that won't be more or less fully told from Sonic's perspective), I think the angst level should be fairly low in comparison to older titles.
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And please don't say art direction doesn't matter in a game
Of course I won't, it matters an awful lot. Frankly, though, generic or not, I'm liking what I'm seeing here - save the design of the new hedgehog, which looks awful. Yeah, it's a lot more muted, color-wise, than some of the earlier games, but then, Adventure kinda was at times, too, and I liked that game's art direction a lot.
Imageshack refuses to show the picture of Shadow and the new hedgehog. Does anyone have it saved somewhere else? I'd like to see it.
With Shadow there and all the claims that the game will focus on Sonic's gameplay, I'm guessing Shadow and anyone else that might make a cameo are just there for the story, like Amy was in SA2.
Wait. This is seeming more and more familiar with each passing second... The main character with a large amount of shifting forms. One's been around for years more than the others... The four hedgehogs, the light, the darkness, the in-between, and the present... One's even pink!
Quick, Craig! Start searching all your old posts! It's the rebirth of Sonic Hearts! =O
But I digress.
The Iblis character model just seems to be a bunch of old models fused into one. It's Blaze's boots. Shadow's chesthair. (Don't mock my words) And a little bit of the birds from Riders in the mix. I'm not necessarily complaining... but doesn't anyone else believe that the main importance of a Sonic character being unique is the clothes? I mean, they don't wear much, but honestly. When you see a giant pair of gloves with little, pointy spikes in them, who do you think of? And what about red sneakers with a stripe through them? Hmmm?
Now, if I show you an OMGtechno pair of sneaker-boots, what do you think of? What? Michael Jackson? Okay... That was a bad example. But you get my point.
If the gameplay is even somewhat reminiscent of Adventure, or heck, even Adventure 2, I will love it. That was the height of the saga. I liked grinding for what it was, and it made some very interesting level designs to be sure.
Story sounds promising, and I really like the weather and whatnot effects of the 360. And I really hope that everyone doesn't fall into the 'serious storyline' trap. You can have a serious storyline without being 'omg, i'm gunna cut myself nao!' Showing emotions is not being emo. It's being flippin' human. Or anthro. Whatever.
Welp. I'm tired. Going to bed now. G'night.
~Nytlocthehedgehog
People should really stop calling the new guy Iblis. That's the devil's name (well, if you're Islamic). The hedgehog himself is as-of-yet unnamed.
Gamespot gives a few more details.
Apparently Eggman's lost some weight, among more interesting things.
You know what I just realised when I found these images...
I dont MIND Shadow coming back...
I don't, in fact, it could work... On ONE BIG condition...
He must never MENTION Gerald or Maria, their in the past, he's over them. If his story revolves about them in any way, shape or form then the one thing that DID come out of Shadow will of been null and void.
He mustn't mention his amnesia either...
And ideally he shouldn't be playable outside an optional extra reward for completing the game (I like optional extras, giving the fans unlockable content is alwas nice... Ideally I'd like the other hedgehog to be unlockable and not part of the main game as well but... well, we'll see...)
Also, as for the other hedgehog...
My brother thinks his hairdo has shades of Emerl... 
Not sure, want to see and hear more before i comment.
If that other hedgehog called Sonic an Iblis (Smokeless Fire Jinn), would he consider himself a Marid (Water Jinn) and Shadow an Ifrit (Fire Jinn).
Well, Skinny Eggman? whats the point of his name now? Oh well.
I just wonder if new guy's name is actually Skye. or something like that? Shadow is dark. And the new guy is light blue.
Anyways. I just wonder if they are going in two different directions for the Sonic games.
PS3/360 - Gritty, Realistic + hint of fantasy.
Handheld - Pure fantasy style Sonic.
Heck, Rush and Rivals might just prove this one.
And we don't know what the Wii might bring us in a Sonic game. Art direction/storyline wise.
Like I said before I just want this game to play very well. And argue about the art style/storyline later.
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The first demo showed off what's currently being dubbed an "action stage" set in an area currently known as "Kingdom Valley."
*looks at his last post.*
*ahem*
Wow. That was a good deal of good info. The trailers are only moving at HALF speed? There are gonna be a LOT more towns and stuff, with ACTUAL gameplay in them? Not mere HUBS? The graphics, among the characters models are INCOMPLETE? I have suddenly obtained a thing for CAPITALIZING one word in each of my sentences?
Still sounds promising, if you ask me.
~Nytlocthehedgehog
it's said somewhere that Sonic's now about 5'10" - he's taller than me now! [I'm only 5'5 1/2 ^^;]
So now he's taller, that means he's going to be even FASTER than ever!! *squeals with joy*
It's interesting how many people are claiming that the new character's name has been officially confirmed, especially when they're all giving different names. XD
So far there's Iblis (even though he called SONIC "the Iblis Trigger/Dagger"), Ibis, Silver, Nazo, Terion... honestly.
This has probably got to be THE most MARIO-style Sonic game I've ever hear of!!!
Let's look at the comparisons...
- Princess Elsie (suggested to be human)- the damsel in distress
= Princess Mushroom/Peach
- Supporting cast members- Sonic will meet supporting cast members throughout the game
= Sonic & Shadow are both hedgehogs... Mario & Luigi are both humans... do the math
- Robotnik kidnaps Elsie
= Bowser kidnaps Princess Mushroom/Peach
- Sonic, not one to let an injustice take place, begins his quest to rescue the princess
= Mario sets out to rescue the princess
- Kingdom Valley
= Mushroom Kingdom
the end. [for now]
I'm hoping Sonic Team doesn't pull yet another ref to DBZ and have Paleface here be the illegitimate son of the angsty protaganist/antagonist who's come from the future to change history for the better.
Put a purple Robotnik Corp. vest on the guy and give him a sword, Sonic Team.
You know you want to.
