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(@true-red_1722027886)
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Thanks for looking up the time ^^

Probably because I've missed a bit (and don't know the ending), I don't get the spoilerish part of the pic, Psx. ^_^;; But I love the "in 2 weeks" one. 😀

 
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You're welcome, it was a pleasure.

 
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Probably because I've missed a bit (and don't know the ending), I don't get the spoilerish part of the pic, Psx. ^_^;;


Ah, well... this upcoming (and final) episode takes place back on Sonic's world but flashes back to the final moments of the battle with Dark Oak. And as you've seen... er, stuff happens. Cue more emotional scenes that may or may not be "downsized" by 4Kids. We'll see.

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But I love the "in 2 weeks" one. 😀


Always a pleasure.

Anyone else disturbed that 4Kids calls it a "Season" Finale, not Series Finale? Don't bring their hopes up only to smash them into the ground, Kahn!

 
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Spoilers (Select To Read): There MIGHT be a reason they call it a season finale only... the way 78 ends... kinda will feel like there could be more to it... Makes me wonder if there wouldn't happen to be some others episodes somewhere in the world that we have no idea about...

 
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While I won't deny that possibility since it's happened before, I like to think we would have heard something about it by now.

'Course, last time I casually said something like that Mana jumped in and supplied us with info of a new season we didn't know existed.

 
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I'm betting they (4Kids) are keeping it under wraps, and the way they have an anime company doing the Sigma 6 seres for US only (I think), That's probably what their going to do with Sonic X

 
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'Course, last time I casually said something like that Mana jumped in and supplied us with info of a new season we didn't know existed.


Well then, Now I wait for her to jump in... right about now! XD

 
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**looks around**

Here, Mana, Mana, Mana...

 
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Sonic X, Episode 78, "The Rebirth of Planets" or "The Ending...unless they announce ANOTHER set of 26 episodes. Oh, woe is me and my need to sleep."
After another round of "Last Time on Sonic X" (and hopefully, this IS the last time I hear that damn "last time" narrators voice), everybody watches the explosion take place as the Planet Egg breaks from the cannon. Dark Oak now turned back into just plain ol Lucas is...well, in some...mysterious place of mystical ness. Wherever he is, dead or not, he pretty much figured out he nearly screwed up the universe and repents. Typical, always doing that repenting thing at the last minute. Earthia comes and offers her hand, saying they've been given a second chance. Lucas holds her hands and the two are enveloped in light.
Cosmo then speaks again in all her mystical glory saying her seeds have spread (get your mind outta the gutta), especially to Tails who's spilling out enough tears to cover the entire Great Lakes. She ultimately says her good-byes and leaves or something. Then the Planet Egg lets out its powers.
Eggman tells his crew to move it or lose it, but they explain all the powers are drained. The Supers also deliver their peace to Cosmo, then concentrate on the Planet Egg's powers and the terrible affect they'll have on the good and bad guys. Super Sonic is about to do something, but Super Shadow delivers a punch in the gut faster then you could say "OWNED". Shadow then chaos controls and we see what Bokkun thinks is a white star. Shadow apparently used Chaos Control to save the entire crew, possibly killing himself in the process. Psst, if Sonic X ever gets renewed again, count on Shadow returning with...GASP...amnesia!

Sonic returns to the BT where Tails proceeds to cry some more on Sonic. Sonic then hands Tails a small seed. Afterwards, all the planet eggs start to head back to their own planets, flying past them like shooting stars. Eggman declares his lackeys to take a pic of him and the Planet Eggs, but the robots declare even the batteries were out, so Eggy berates them to get the ship running.

Scene cut to Sonic's planet. Chris narrates that they all eventually returned home and are just relaxing for the time being. The trees are growing back and everything is fine. Sonic runs around and admires the scenery while Chris speaks with Knuckles who is busy eyeing the shattered ME. Knuckles tells Chris the ME will eventually put itself back together; it just needs time to heal. Chris wonders if a chant would work, so Knuckles just does one to humor the kid. After that, Knuckles declares he's taking it easy for the time being. Chris motions that since he's staying here, he might as well build a home, hinting he'd like it near the ruins Knuckles usually dwells in. Knuckles seems to be taking this well, although he then hints that's a big no-no.
In Eggman's now ruined ship, Rouge eyes the container that once held Shadow. Eggman is surprised that she worries so much for him to which Rouge obviously denies. What's the matter, Rougy? Have a soft spot for that black hedgehog? I always did like you better with him then Knuckles (who should be with Amy.......*shifts eyes*). Eggman then claims he's not worried one bit. Rouge suspects he's hiding something, but Eggman merely continues by saying she should leave as he's ship is no longer salvable.
Chris meets up with Bokkun who has a message for him. Chris backs away, although Bokkun claims this isn't one of his explosive tricks. It must be if his message is delivered via letter then TV. While Chris deals with Bokkun, Sonic hears Cosmo's voice while he's resting below a tree. She basically tells Sonic she is at peace and in a paradise, and to tell Tails she's alright. Sonic agrees and runs off.

Chris meets up with Eggman and his lackeys, as well as a small rocket. Eggman tells Chris that the rocket will take him home, a one-way trip, nothing more, and nothing less. However, the catch comes in that Eggman has no clue if Chris will ever return to the age he was before, not to mention he has only three minutes to leave or be stuck here forever. Chris is confident in Eggman's ability, so he hops aboard; upset he had to leave suddenly. He asks Eggman if he can return, but Eggman merely said it is an unpredictable event, the fact that he came here was merely a fluke.
As Chris starts to leave, Bokkun urges him to stay, finally crying his eyes out when he leaves. Awww. As Chris leaves, we see shots of all the main characters and finally Sonic running below Chris, saying his goodbyes. Chris gets all teary-eyed as he repeats Sonic's name like three time. Eggman, too watches him leaves then cackles evilly, going back to his usual villain self.
The last scene shows a potted plant where a small sapling has grown. Life begins anew...

REVIEW:
Man, if people were complaining that Tails didn't have any emotions on the last episode because of how it's dubbed, they pretty much made amends here by making Tails bawl his eyes out. In fact, this whole episode is all about emotions. People cry, people are in peace, blah blah blah. I don't know if the original episode had intentions for this, but I did like how 4kids kept Cosmo's fate after the big blowy uppy thing ambiguous. Well, to me at least. It did seem she could have either found a planet like they said or it's possible that when she meant by paradise and peaceful nature, she could be in the Afterlife for all we know. Do plants go to Afterlives? That said, in the end, the sapling still indicated a life will go on kinda thing, whether it a plant creature or just a regular plant.
That said, it was a nice series finale (I refuse to say season finale until I know there will be another, thank you very much, 4Kids), but unfortunately, the amount of finale and emotions cannot compare to the brilliant episode 52. Still, even then, it was nice to see anyways. That said, I can leave the episode with the fact that I have a bit more respect for Chris and that I was glad Tails got a sizable development. More then makes up for both their roles in the past season.

Oh, and since the dub never mentioned it, Bokkun's crush on that heart shaped locket of his (which he never seemingly gets back) is a picture of Cream. Yes, he has a crush on Cream. I'm not gonna even question the logic behind a robot falling for a 6 year old bunny.
8.5/10

 
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I'm gonna assume from your lack of mention that they cut out the parts between Amy and Cream, and the Chaotix and Vanilla (the latter was fairly long too, IIRC)...

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Shadow apparently used Chaos Control to save the entire crew, possibly killing himself in the process. Psst, if Sonic X ever gets renewed again, count on Shadow returning with...GASP...amnesia!


... as well as showing Shadow's, ah, shadow. Odd.

 
(@dirk-amoeba)
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I think a new season is doubtful. It looks like Sega is trying to take the franchise in a new direction (again), so I think Sonic X won't be continued. But it was good while it lasted, wans't it?

 
(@sonknux)
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They totally moved around the elements of the episode. But, for once, I'm glad they did. Looks like 4kids managed to fix what I didn't like in the original 78... If I was mad at the lack of emotion last week, I was quite happy and surprised today.

While I was watching the beginning, they even managed to get a tear in my eye...!!! I was all like "So, that's where the emotion all went".

However, as for another season happening, I don't know anymore. The way the original ended made us go "Huh? What? That's it?" but 4kids made it look like a little more finished than the original did. Heck, in the original,we did not even SEE any of the human characters except Chris and today they did prove he remembers them and made it clear he should be able to make it home. The real question now would be... did he?

 
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I'm gonna assume from your lack of mention that they cut out the parts between Amy and Cream, and the Chaotix and Vanilla (the latter was fairly long too, IIRC)...


Yes, they cut those parts out.

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I think a new season is doubtful. It looks like Sega is trying to take the franchise in a new direction (again), so I think Sonic X won't be continued. But it was good while it lasted, wans't it?


It'll be a relief to me. As much as I like doing these, I need sleep. Anytime before noon is too early for me.

 
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In my opoion, they did a good job is this epsiode, sure they cut about 2 and a half mintues, but I think they wanted to keep in or have time for the scenes that they felt were important to see.

Now as far as the Tails-Cosmo scence, where she fads into him, they made it look like what fans had been wanted to see, a kiss between them.

And Tails crying on Sonic's shoulder at the lost of Cosmo, it almost made me cry.

But very well done!

Can't Wait till Season 4, and there will be a Season 4.

Ps. if want to remember Comso, head over to Canveral Island and find my name and you'll see Music Videos on her.

There's a new one that'll put a tear in your eye

Thanks for the memories Cosmo!

 
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Can't Wait till Season 4, and there will be a Season 4.


You don't know that. As of right now, there's no real indication at all that any new episodes are planned.

 
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For 77 and 78 dub and uncut

Me I nearly shed some tears for today's epsiode when Tails cryed on Sonic's sholder over the lost of Cosmo.

And nearly some last week when Cosmo sacficed herself.

Anyone Else

 
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The Moral of the story: Sonic just doesn't like hugging anyone. Even if it's his best friend who's suffered a huge lost.

This season, 4kids has done the unthinkable, they've censored love.

Despite what was obviously a romance, they constantly had Tails refer to Cosmo as a friend. Plus, they censored out all Vector X Vanilla scenes (which really cheesed me off as I thought they made a cute couple). Sure, the latter was unimportant to the plot and done for commercial time, but what was wrong with Tails and Cosmo being lovers? Thier age? Even little kids can fall in love, (In Tails case, it's litteraly "puppy love".) and thier nothing wrong or immoral about it. The only ones they didn't censor was Amy/Sonic but that's only because he always runs from her advances (except for 76/77).

Rouge needs to make up her mind. She flirts with Knuckles, but contantly hangs with and worries about Shadow. In both Sonic X and the video games.

Is Gerald Robotnik called Robotnik in the japanese versions of Sonic X and the games as well.

Well, unless it gets picked up by an american anime team like Sigma 6, this is it for Sonic X

 
(@ttg-was-taken-0o)
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"Is Gerald Robotnik called Robotnik in the japanese versions of Sonic X and the games as well."

Yessir, I believe.

"Well, unless it gets picked up by an american anime team like Sigma 6, this is it for Sonic X"

....I thought 4Kids was dubbing Sigma 6. o.o

 
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The Moral of the story: Sonic just doesn't like hugging anyone. Even if it's his best friend who's suffered a huge lost.


He hugged Chris back in #26 and didn't seem to mind having the kid's hands all over him in #51-52. o.o

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This season, 4kids has done the unthinkable, they've censored love.


Because that goes over very well with the target audience for Sonic X, boys 6 to 11 years of age.

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Thier age? Even little kids can fall in love, (In Tails case, it's litteraly "puppy love".) and thier nothing wrong or immoral about it.


I guess 4Kids didn't want them kids getting too attached to the Tails x Cosmo relationship. They knew what was coming.

Yeah, that's @#%$.

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The only ones they didn't censor was Amy/Sonic but that's only because he always runs from her advances (except for 76/77).


Now this they understand.

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Rouge needs to make up her mind. She flirts with Knuckles, but contantly hangs with and worries about Shadow. In both Sonic X and the video games.


Indeed! She can't help being her own little bit o' cruel to Knuckles, but gets all enfeminate over Shadow. Lady, you've got issues.

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Is Gerald Robotnik called Robotnik in the japanese versions of Sonic X and the games as well.


That was a question, right? I guess. Though they pronounce it as Robotonik.

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Well, unless it gets picked up by an american anime team like Sigma 6, this is it for Sonic X


...what? The studio animating that show is purely Japanese. It's a work-for-hire.

 
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I just realized something, contrary to the original, Eggman did not make any comments about Rouge's breasts XD

Well, I'm not really surprised about that...

 
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You've got to realize first of all that 4kids is possibly keeping the 4th season underwraps, and won't reval anything until the time is right, so no one will find reasons to complain or critsise the epsiode differences, this means (if I'm right or half right) that we here in the US, will get the 4th season first before anyone else.

Another reason is that with the introduction of Blaze and The Babylon Rogues in the games, you have to add them in somehow.

Also, we may see the return of Cosmo and Molly, remember the 4kids version kept them alive, so they might return.

But from what I've been thinking also today, while I was working, they may finally have Sonic and Knuckles show Amy and Rouge how they truly feel about them and that Bokkun's crush on Cream and Vector's crush on Vanilla might finally be relved to everyone.

Also that Tails might find a way to be with Cosmo, like maybe staying with her on her new world, thus saying goodbye to his friends, which would make this the final season of Sonic X.

In Addition, if this is the final season coming up, we might a get a music video and a message from Sonic Creator Yuji Naka.

And that is why there will be a 4th season and why it could be the last.

 
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You've got to realise first of all that 4Kids has nothing to do with the production of the show. It's not their call if another season's to be made, and any new season would not take into account the edits and changes made in their version.

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Another reason is that with the introduction of Blaze and The Babylon Rogues in the games, you have to add them in somehow.


No, they don't. In case you didn't notice, there was no adaptation of Sonic Heroes in the past, nor was there any inclusion of Omega. The introduction of Blaze and the Rogues in the games does not ensure in any way that more episodes will be made.

Furthermore, there is certainly nothing to indicate that there will be a music video nor a message from Naka.

None of your reasons (and I use the term loosely) indicate or prove a continuation of the series.

 
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Well, the 3rd series WAS bought internationally, and thusly it is not beyond reason that it would happen again. Plus we only found out about Season 2(3)'s existance with the pictures Solly found which was about a month before the episodes started airing.

Really, nothing is out of the realms of possibility. Sonic X is making MEGABUCKS, I doubt the West will let go of a cash cow unless Sega cut the udders.

 
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I'm not saying it's completely impossible.

I'm saying none of those reasons for their being another season have any basis.

 
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*Nods* Fair enough. I'd say the main flaw with BW's logic is that he believes that the 4kids version is the only one which counts. The French, Thailand and Chinese versions were all out a year before the US one and were uncut. Thusly things like Molly wouldn't count.

Cosmo, however, is sort of alive in the original as a tree, as as Luke.

If there is a season 3, it wont be appearing for some time. It was only 1 short year ago that the French episodes were being aired. It'll take a bit longer for new ones to start up.

I'll give 4kids this, though. They got the dubs done pretty dang fast, compared to the first 52 eps.

 
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*Nods* Fair enough. I'd say the main flaw with BW's logic is that he believes that the 4kids version is the only one which counts. The French, Thailand and Chinese versions were all out a year before the US one and were uncut. Thusly things like Molly wouldn't count.

Cosmo, however, is sort of alive in the original as a tree, as as Luke.

If there is a season 3, it wont be appearing for some time. It was only 1 short year ago that the French episodes were being aired. It'll take a bit longer for new ones to start up.

I'll give 4kids this, though. They got the dubs done pretty dang fast, compared to the first 52 eps.[/qoute]

Whoa, I wasn't saying that the 4kids version is the only that counts, I was saying that we might the 4th season before anyone else, and what I said is just my thoughts on what could happen, that's all.

 
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Na, it's very very doubtful. Japan STILL hasn't aired Series 2 yet, it was commisioned elsewhere and 4kids picked it up later.

I'd say if it happened again, it'll be the same routine.

 
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But you never know (especilally with 4kids), they could be keeping the 4th season under wraps.

 
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But even if 4Kids wanted to keep it under wraps, as you say, why on earth would the rest of the world? As Craig says, the French got their dub long before the US one appeared - they'd seen the entire season months before the first episode aired in the States.

Still, as you say, it's possible that Sega might still commission TMS (it was TMS, right?) to make another series, purely for the international market, even though they've not aired the second in Japan yet. I just don't see what 4Kids would have to do with it, other than dubbing. It wouldn't be their call to announce it or hide it...

DW

 
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If it gives you any hope, Sega was showing episodes of Sonic X in thier little Sonic corner. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

 
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The episode was okay, but I did want to see the part with Vanilla and Vector. Though the part with Cosmo and Tails finally made me sad and watching Tails cry on Sonic was heartbreaking. (Though you could tell when he was going to say "I loved her"...)

I swear, they need to release a subtitled version of this season uncut.

If there is another season, I wouldn't mind seeing Blaze--but I think I'd watch Dora the Explorer if I saw any of the Bab. Rou. in the show. (And more so if they had their same VA's from the game, esp. Jet...)

 
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My Question is what was up with Rouge in Bubble Baths, we've never seen in them before, so why the sudden change.

 
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Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :newbie here

Can anyone tell me what happen to Shadow after he fell in Earth? (Sonic X)

Did Dr. Eggman save him or cloned him?

 
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I think that part of the monologue where Eggman shows Chris his ticket home was cut out from the final episode. I remember it being longer and having an explanation of what happened to Shadow at the end of the SA2 story arc.

In short: he saved him.

 
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Did anybody else think 'Kingdom Hearts' when the Planet Eggs went back to their planet?

 
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Well, the first two "seasons" of Sonic X are now available on DVD, and it appears that 4Kids is planning on zipping through "season 3" as soon as possible (cramming 8 episodes on the last disc is one thing, but more than that...wow).

Of course, the season 5 title makes no sense, and will surely change before release. Regardless, it looks to be containing the first half of the Metarex saga.

 
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More than 8? Woah, and I was surprised with vol. 10. But good news. Just wish they'd put the stupid volume number on the actual package (unless I'm missing something.)

 
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Well, if you go based on "every 13 episodes = 1 season," then it would be "Season 5." But, it probably is a mistake.

And, no, they haven't put the Vol. # on the DVDs to my recollection and I do own most of them.

 
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Some questions went unanswered.

1) How did Gerald Robotnik know about the Chaos Emeralds if they were from another world?

2) If Eggman was actually born in Chris' world, how did he get to Sonic's world?

 
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I thought it was alreadly mentioned throughout the series that Sonic's and Chris' worlds were originally one and the same.

 
(@sonicv2)
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That's true. But that probably was like millions of years ago.

 
(@ashide-bunni)
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The Echidna civillization existed million years ago? Because there were Echidna ruins when Knux got his shovel claw before the worlds were merged back again.

 
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I haven't seen anything that mentions that Tikal brought or humans created the shovel claws in the show.

Also, Chao exists in both worlds.

 
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Chao may be universal creatures. As for shoval claws, well, the Echinda race (which existed 3000 years ago) created the shoval claws and forgot about them.

As for Eggman, well, we don't know how he and Sonic met on Sonic X, so it's safe to assume that Eggman came from Earth via a teleporter or something.

I am a Cosmo fan; many people back here at home are, too. I was sad, as everyone else was (except maybe Cream/Tails fans) when she died. She was brought back as a seed, not guranteeing whether or not she will come back. HOWEVER!!! If you are smart (like me), then you'd come to realize this; she may not come back (though I hope she does), but it is guaranteed that the flower she left behind in episode 78 will play a major role in the future, so it's as if she is alive (which she probably is, as the see).

Who am I? A guest. I have made fan fiction in which Cosmo returns. You can find it at Fanartcentral.net. I am known as "Weresheep" there, too. No lie.

 
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I'd rather not have Cosmo pull off a Shadow, but thanks anyway.

 
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Yeah, resurrecting her really cheapens the impact of her death and character. I mean Shadow and the ending to SA2 was ruined when they brought him back to life.

 
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It's a matter of opinion. Emerl didn't "pull a Shadow", but he's a robot. Besides, the third season was much more darker then the others (Chris got stabbed!). And I just think that they need to lighten things up before they lose too much publicity.

By the way, Shadow was meant to really die at the end of SA2, but because many people (including me) thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, so they went off and said Eggman saved him with one of his robots.

 
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Hey, Were welcome to the MoFo. Just so you know double posting is not allowed here therefore use the edit button next to the reply button under your name. Happy posting!!:]

 
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Yeah, sorry about that. I keep forgetting that that edit button is there. I'll just post it here, after yours.

And besides, most people who don't want Cosmo back are usually TailsXCream fans. :">

That better?

 
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I don't care for TailsxCream or whoever. Personally, I would rather have Tails stay unattached as far as the games are concerned. TailsxCosmo is okay, though I'm not really a shipper.

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By the way, Shadow was meant to really die at the end of SA2, but because many people (including me) thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, so they went off and said Eggman saved him with one of his robots.


This is where I would counterpoint in that Squeenix at least has the guts to not cave in to fanantics' hope to resurrect Aeris in a potential FFVII spin-off/sequel, but then I remember her cameo appearences in KH and FFT...

...then I remembered that the Aeris in those two games are not Canon!Aeris. So I guess S-E really didn't cave in the consequences of sacrificing the impact of one of the most emotional sequences of video game history after all.

That said, I find resurrecting a character(especially if they died a hero death in a supposedly moving scene) as a cop-out move that kills any emotional impact of the death scene and it is also indicative that most writers/developers nowadays don't have the guts to keep a character dead.

It's even worse if the resurrected character isn't being used properly *cough*Shadow*cough*.

So no, I like Cosmo, but I don't want her to come back to life.

 
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