Doesn't that make you want to take over the Shadow project and fix the problems yourself?
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Doesn't that make you want to take over the Shadow project and fix the problems yourself?
*in stereotypical Middle Eastern accent* What are these problems you speaketh of?
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3) Grabbin' guns: Jumpin' on the bandwagon.
it's very strange to see a gun in a hand of a furry animal. in the old sonic games the only *Guns* i remember were the egg cannons that shoot ..eggs!
on the flying fortress(sonic 2).
sonic is 15, right? so shadow is a 15 year old carrying a pistol.
this is why sonic is cool and shadow is not(he's worse than eggman).
anyway, dose anyone know what's the rating age for shadow's game? i doubt it'll be for all ages.
so shadow is a 15 year old carrying a pistol.
50 year old, actually 
Well, most probably older than that, but he's an immortal hedgehog created in a lab and has LOOKED like a 15/20 year old hedgehog since the day he first took breath. He shall look like that until the day he is mowed down in battle aswell.
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anyway, dose anyone know what's the rating age for shadow's game? i doubt it'll be for all ages.
Just a shot in the dark, here, but I'd put my bets and that brand-new ESRB-E10+ rating.
yeah i know that, but still he looks like a kid wearing a costume. besides the kids that like shadow would take it he's their age( that's if they new the story).
i'm very surprised yuji nakka would agree to this game, it's not his style.
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but I'd put my bets and that brand-new ESRB-E10+ rating.
for 10 year olds and above?
it's the above(13 to 16)i'm worried about.
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it's the above(13 to 16)i'm worried about.
Huh? Don't tell me you are afraid that'll be too violent for them...
Here we go into the debate about violent games.
It's the hypodermic needle theory - thought it might as well be called the 'sponge for brain' theory.
Kids grow up too fast anyway, in my opinion.
Look it is going to have guns and such (Cartoony in a way) but it's not like this game is going to be as violent as RE...
I have to wonder if anyone would have even batted an eyelid if Gamma's gun was realistic.
The fact it's a real style gun only serves to make it look silly. Not to make it any more or less violent, mature or anything.
OHNOS! ELMAR FUDD HAS A REALISTIC WEAPON! WE MUST PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!!
That's what I've been wondering too, I even asked if people would've cared this was Fang's game and he was using a realistic gun, didn't get too much of a reply though.
There's no way this game would get an M-rating in the US, unless they added blood and gore, cussing, and all those other requirements. I'm sure Sonic Team won't go that far, even if he does have that gun. Seriously, just because a character has a gun it doesn't mean the game will automatically get an M-rating.
I'm expecting an E-10 rating, myself.
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i'm very surprised yuji nakka would agree to this game, it's not his style.
We don't even know if Naka is working on this title. Supposedly, this is all Iizukia's idea, he's the head of the team for this project.
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OHNOS! ELMAR FUDD HAS A REALISTIC WEAPON! WE MUST PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!!
Elmer never fired his gun, though. And in the rare cases that he did, he never hit anything. It's certainly not in the frequency of a shooter like they're attemping with Shadow.
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Elmer never fired his gun, though. And in the rare cases that he did, he never hit anything. It's certainly not in the frequency of a shooter like they're attemping with Shadow.
Actually, last I checked, he has shot Daffy before. Check the classic "Rabbit season Duck Season" epsiode for that.
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Actually, last I checked, he has shot Daffy before. Check the classic "Rabbit season Duck Season" epsiode for that.
And if anything gun violence was worse in those cartoons because the only consequence they show is Daffy's bill spinning around on his head. So remember kids, shooting at someone point blank with a shotgun only yields hilarious results.
-Shakudo-
"60,000 hits, baby! Whoo!"
And I'd like to know why everyone thinks that Shadow is going to be bursting heads and riddling blood-soaked hookers with piping hot lead. Chances are, the gun is only going to make things blow apart like robots, or dissipate bizzaro aliens. Use some common sense here.
What I'd like to know is why everyone assumes that an M-rating automatically means GTA clone. All you need is the ability to shoot things with a large amount of blood (heck, they don't even have to explode, just bleed!), and boom, M-rating. No hookers. No cursing. Just blood.
Of course, if you use so much blood, chances are that there's a curse word somewhere in the script, but not necessarily...
I wouldn't say everyone thinks this, maybe just a few like Sonicknight. As everyone else basically disagreed with his opinion that this game would go over the top, including me. Atleast in this thread, at the very least, can't speak for everyone else in the world.
Did Timesplitters 3 get an M rating in the US then?
It REALLY doesnt seem like a M game from where i'm standing in the UK, it even goes out of it's way to prevent cursing. When Cortex really REALLY ought to blow his mouth off all he shouts is "DAMNIT", albeit really realy loud.
There is blood, but it's only noticable if youre looking.
Better not forget Carmageddon. The PS Version was best, because there was real blood. All the other versions had green blooded zombies. Even the bloody cows were zombies.
I mean, gotta make it M, or ten year olds might grab their daddy's car and give people a good running over.
I bet if Nack/Fang had been the protagonist, there would be even more outcry.
And I'd like to know why everyone thinks that Shadow is going to be bursting heads
i don't, not unless he plans on shooting eggman.
but really, there's shooters in the U.S that are rated for teens with realistic guns shooting people (without blood, the bad guys just vanish when hit).
but what makes shadow the baddy here, is the fact the heroes in those games are adults(mostly cops). shadow is a child's hero, they shouldnt have used a character from a kids video game in a teen game. Its just too mean, Its like telling kids not to watch batman.
Lucky thing it wasnt sonic, sonic was a game for everyone and it should always be. that's what makes it so super cool.
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Lucky thing it wasnt sonic, sonic was a game for everyone and it should always be. that's what makes it so super cool.
It seems to me quite deliberate that this is Shadow's game not Sonics. Shadow has always been a bit, not quite there when it comes to heroism.
If this is what they had in mind when they brought him back in SH, we should of seen it coming...
Sonic Team is obviously trying their hand at games for the more mature (read, bloodthirsty) player. Shadow, with his "I'm gonna take out an entire civilisation cus I got a grudge against some military jerks" attitude, is the perfect protragonist.
I prefer the term manic.
Stop assuming that everyone who wanted this game wanted blood guts and violence, it's insulting to the makers and insultng to the people who play the game.
By changing the formula and giving Shadow weapons their varying the playability, they've altered the setting andput Shadow in Sonic's place. If the action keeps up as fast as the speed then i'll greatly enjoy the game.
There's nothing bloodthirsty about getting the most out of a game. My main problem with Sonic Heroes is that, as nice as the fast bits are there's very little to do if you take it slow. I liked SA2 because it kept you moving fast while leaping to and from place t oplace, but i didnt like heroes slow bits because, there were slow...
If by adding guns, weapons, blowing up buildings/doing whatever you can just run into a fight, crash and then run on then It should make better gaming.
There is something to be said about games like the jak series (why does everyone say Ratchet and Clank, it's not really anything like that slow moving gadget fest). You arent required to go around causing mayhem, but there is something satisfying gaming wise when you have enemies coming from all directions when you just charge into an area and use whatever you can grab around you to unleash havoc.
It's not bloodthirsty, bloodthirsty is GTA, which I dont think this will be anything like those gagster games.
No, no, no, Swift. What I said was that Sonic team is aiming for the more mature player because of those guns. All previous Sonic games have been, on average, cute. Then Shadow came along and started sneering at everyone, and suddenly their games became rapidly darker.
I mean, look at Shadow 'dying' in SA2. That's dark. Most of the story is. And coming back from the dead in Heroes - well, it's not the dort of ting you hurl at a three-year-old.
So Sonic Team is swinging away from cute. So they're trying new things. So what?
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Did Timesplitters 3 get an M rating in the US then?
Yes, actually, it did. Timesplitters 2 got a T, though, despite shooting zombies' heads off. Thanks for the example in fact, since that works better than Halo (where you can't gib people, but it has cursing so not the best example) or Half-Life (can gib, a bit of cursing).
Thank you Swift, you make a very wise point.
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but really, there's shooters in the U.S that are rated for teens with realistic guns shooting people (without blood, the bad guys just vanish when hit).
I think you miss the point, here. It's still a Sonic Game in lineage. There's little chance of Shadow murdering anyone human. The gun will most likely be used on these robots and alien/experimental monsters. It will be used to detonate charges. It will be used to clear paths. It won't be used to settle petty grudge, or mortally wound humans.
Look at this like a Mario game. Mario throws balls of fire. In the real world, kids should never play with fire. The fire would seriously burn his enemies, either killing them slowly, or make them wish it had. He also stomps on creatures' heads, which (if you've seen American History X) is a very gruesome way of killing people. But, it's a mario game, so these facts are somewhat glossed over in a cartoonish way.
The same will be handled in this Shadow game. Guns will be used in a destructive manner, and possibly as threats, but I hardly see and chance of their being blood and lifelike murder.
(Note: The Spy vs. Spy game has machine guns, buckets of acid, chain saws and rocket launchers, and yet it is only rated "Teen," which is the same as Donkey Konga 2. I predict a Teen rating for this game as well.)
Yeah, it's hardly likely that despite his super speed, Shadow will be allowed to wander off and plug a bullet or two in his enemy Robotnik, or his arch-rival Sonic.
Such false advertising...
Sorry Harley, it's a valid point but I got a bit annoyed by the bloodthirsty ad lib, apart from that you were perfectly right..
Still, it had to be said anyway, so... meh.
WEll, I think that Sonic Team are dragging this whole "Shadow Story" On for too long.
One Question: Is this Shadow the REAL Shadow? Or is it just another robot?
Anywayz, I have mixed feelings about this game. And I'm getting tired of this whole "Hero or Villan?" Thing. If the guy saved the world TWICE he must be some kind of hero.
But, no doubt I'll get the damn game, anyway. I just love playing on my Gamecube too much.
Oh yeah... WHY IS THE GUN 10 TIMES BIGGER THAN HIS BODY?!!!
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The gun is large because he is small, beign the same height of Sonic and Sonic only coming up to humans waists (see SA1)
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Also, the Shadow thing has only been going on for 3 ED games (4 in total if you count battle)...
He was introduced in SA2...
Heroes brought him back, presumably to set him up for this game...
This game will explain his story and the questions that heroes failed to do more than just address.
Plus Battle, which he was in, but not in a Shadow's story, he was there to compliment Emerl.
So, it's a 3 game plot arc. Hardly been going on for THAT logn has it...
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but I hardly see and chance of their being blood and lifelike murder.
ah, how'd you miss that and your a shadow fan?!
don't you remember maria?
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Mario throws balls of fire. In the real world, kids should never play with fire
again an adult hero(tiny one, though).
i'm against shadow holding the gun. even if he was just shooting robots he's still a child figure and the pistol is very real looking, if he used a laser gun it'd be a different story(cause the threat would be gone. kids can't get ahold of a laser gun, can they?)
anyway, i'm not buying the game 
even if sonic was in it(sonic will just have to understand).
but'll try to find out if yuji nakka made it, it's too stupid an idea to be his.
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again an adult hero(tiny one, though).
Shadow's over 50 freakin' years old, he's older than Mario in that sense, and what's more Mario's designed to look child friendly, Shadow's designed to look like Sonic turned evil. I still object to the gun, but there's no point in saying "he shouldn't use it cause he's a kid" because that isn't the case, he shouldn't use it cause kids will be playing the game, and though I'm pretty sure the average 11 year old gamer is quite fluent with GTA, it still doesn't make it any better.
Still, it is true that this is a Shadow game as oposed to a Sonic game, they should never let Sonic grab a gun ever.
shadow is trying to find what happened in his life and you can choose who to side with:sonic or eggman which i think is a cool twist
ps email me for help on bosses from sa2b and sh atwww.theultimatelife@ckaotix.zzn.com
Thank you for not only NOT paying attention to the topic, but also NOT paying attention to us telling you that you SHOULD pay attention to the topic, and then spamming as well. It's like you're ASKING to get warned.
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ah, how'd you miss that and your a shadow fan?!
don't you remember maria?
Of course I do. But in all versions of Sonic Adventure 2 and it's story, we have never seen Maria bleeding out of her wounds. It WAS amazing dark, and the camera did linger on her while dying, but It wasn't overly gratuitous. We didn't SEE her body jerking under the impact of the bullet. There was no ghastly blood-spray. She died in a very cinematic, yet remarkably clean fashion.
(furthermore, you prove my point that this kind of Mature Storytelling isn't new. Both Sonic Adventure 2 and even Sonic Battle have moments that are darker then a Goth Chick's Coffee.)
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i'm against shadow holding the gun. even if he was just shooting robots he's still a child figure and the pistol is very real looking, if he used a laser gun it'd be a different story(cause the threat would be gone. kids can't get ahold of a laser gun, can they?)
Ah ha! I knew it! You ARE the president of 4Kids, aren't you?! 
In any case, that is severely flawed logic. A gun is a gun. I think it's wishful thinking to assume that Kids make that kind of distinction. As a kid, I played with suction dart guns, cap guns, Nerf blasters and water guns, and I never got the urge to actually shoot someone in the face with a bullet. I knew the entire time that they were ersatz firearms. You can't trick children that easily.
Kids need to be taught the value of life. That's the only way to protect them from gun violence.
Personally, I am buying the game. I like Shadow, and feel intrigued that they are willing to try something new. Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 dragged me back into Sonic Fandom, as they reminded me that Sonic is evolving with the times. My beloved franchise was was capable of delivering poignant epics, set in three dimensional worlds, that dealt with ageless issues. Then Sonic Heros came out and I felt almost embarrassed at times. Even Mr. Rogers employed the word Teamwork more conservatively then Sonic. The game was talking down to us.
Now, they have a specific spin off for the long-term fans that enjoyed the more mature aspects of the recent Sonic titles. That's cool with me. Remember, it's a Spin off, and not the future of all things Sonic.
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but'll try to find out if yuji nakka made it, it's too stupid an idea to be his
You don't have to buy it, and you don't have to like it, but I personally do. That shouldn't make me stupid, shallow or violent.
You know, I'm really doubting that this game is going to be something that totally flips the FCC (or whoever) on its head.
Sure, they'll be guns and the like, but I'm not expecting violence along the lines of GTA.
Don't think this is anything to freak out about
Besides, can't we just focus more on the other aspects of the game? I mean, anyone actually taking the time to notice just how neat the level designs are? (Bring on that Windy Valley-esque level!)
We've had cityscapes, a bleak desert area, windy valleyish place, some metallic (spaceship maybe), air battles and something completely freaky whic im assuming is a labratory flowing with green ooze and thosr red pipes???
It definitely does look quite interesting. I want to know exactly HOW many levels there are going to be...
Hmmm...
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You know, I'm really doubting that this game is going to be something that totally flips the FCC (or whoever) on its head.
US Senate, most likely.
Hm, Shadow takes on the White House; there's a plot to die for....
My guess on level numbers is about ten or so. All the info so far is boasting stuff about "50 missions", but I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that it'll be like in the SA games with each level having separate tasks to fulfill.
I just pray for lots of levels that aren't so huge that one could get lost in them for hours...like some of the later Sonic Heroes stages that lasted for too darn long! Though we don't need to see a huge variety of stages, than it'd be just too silly...can you imagine Shadow gunning down penguins in an ice level...
Maybe not penguins but an arctic facility run by G.U.N. maybe...
I hope there's not two different endings to the story - I mean, I get the feeling that depending on which side you pick, you'll find out if you're the robot or the clone, and it'll end with something like the original being found and released.
Just a total guess, but it's my own personal thoughts on how it'll go. After all, in Sonic Heroes, doesn't Gamma (or Omega, what difference does it make) say something like "For a copy to be made, the original has to exist... somewhere."
I think the different ending depending on which Shadow you are idea works better than just an open ended ending.
I can imagine different actions influencing which Shadow you turn out to be, and therefore the ending. The thing I havea problem with if there are just multiple endings and none of them say "this one is the good ending," or so om...
Yeah, you need the 'good' ending so that fans know which is the real end. And then they'll write fanfiction about it.
I wonder if there will be a Chao Garden in Shadow the Hedgehog. They're pretty popular, but he doesn't seem like the type to raise Chao.
Following the path of other Sonic games, there'd probably be a secret third mission that's unlocked once you finish the "Sonic" and "Eggman" storylines. Something like once you have all the emeralds, you face off against the clone of Shadow, or such.
Personally I'd love there to be a storyline option where you effectively say "screw you!" to both Sonic and Eggman, and go solo. Or the ability to swap between sides during the game...
hey guys! not sure if anybody posted this yet, but SEGA of America now has Shadow up in their site. check it out:
www.sega.com/games/game_t...me=shadow#
it has the second trailer, a little more info and a modified version of the official logo!
...not sure if this is old.
www.sega.com/games/game_s...dow_02.jpg
Love that picture...
Hmm, by the way, it confirms, around 20 levels and 50 missions and a 2 player mode as well.
Great, thats me happy, I was scared this would be a short game, but there are more levels here than there were in Sonic Heroes...
And I wont have to do each one four times either 
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And I wont have to do each one four times either
Some of us actually liked playing those levels over again...well except the pinball levels which confound me to no end and any level where I have to hear Charmy...
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Speed away on a motorcycle, an alien craft or an SUV.
LMAO...
