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(@smellslikechidna)
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-It's got to be about Shadow! The angst!


A huge proportion of the teen female Sonic fandom would have said that word for word. >-<

 
(@shadonic_1722027905)
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Does someone know what the energy bars on the top do?.Since I can't download the trailer, I know one of must be the life bar but the other one.

 
(@true-blue-9)
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Er, I'm back to tell everyone about IGN's article:

cube.ign.com/articles/594/594565p1.html

Trailer is so hott.

 
(@tornadot)
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I think it's obvious this could be a huge DMC ripoff which is sad because Shadow can never look as cool as Dante, not by a long shot. If he expects to do slamming combos, big whoop! I can do that in a ton of games now even the lackluster DW series. Wall running? Please...the Prince owns you in all regards...Super powerful form? Oh brother...Dante's looks cooler and he has a sword! Energy blasts? This ain't DBZ and let's not have it like that...

I think this could be a DMC/Prince of Persia ripoff if you ask me...

 
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(@craig-bayfield)
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That first picture makes me cry. WHEN DID OUR BEAUTIFUL LITTLE COLOURFUL FURRY CHARACTER SERIES BECOME SO ANGST AND DARK?!

WHY?! WHAT IS THE POINT?!

*Weeps* I want to see a really cute and colourful Sonic game starring Team Jubilee to make up for this ;.;

 
(@robobotnik)
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This could be a good thing, giving Shadow his own game to explain his past, supposed death and return and appeal to all the Shadow-fans without taking up a regular Sonic game to do it (meaning Sonic fans who don't like Shadow can just ignore this). My problem, much like other comments, is that he just looks crap with a gun, even if it was a lazer there's no call for it, what's more the guns themselves look terrible, it'd make more sense to have based a game on Team Dark and have Omega using a gun, one that's built in though.

Nevertheless I'll give this the benefit of the doubt for now and hope this actually turns out ok, I just hope to god that this isn't the game Yuji Naka was talking about in NOM last month, but I highly doubt it isn't.

And Cycle, I don't remember you saying you wanted this but I remember you told me that Amy with guns would be cool :p .

 
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"I smoulder with generic rage."

 
(@very-crazy-penguin_1722585704)
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This is very troubling and could potentially do a lot of damage to the strong image the Sonic series has built over the years. I hope that if the project continues there is a drastic overhaul on certain elements, namely Shadow using guns.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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Yeah... this is one of those cases where fan-loyalty will be harmful, if everyone who buys Sonic games bought this, how would the company be able to tell how appauled we are, beyond angry letters and bricks through windows?

*Sigh*

So when's pre-ordering opening?

 
(@hyper-sonic-warrior)
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..........

Ten full stops. And I'd have a face, like an o_o or O_O, but there'd be too many underscores. It'd do a fair bit of table stretching at least.

HOOOLY. FRIGGIN...

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What the crap? What the friggin freshola dinponza SPONGEBOB?!

Guns seem very...very...veeeeery OOC of Shadow. maybe some sort of chaos gun powered by an emerald shard that amplifies chaos energy, but not this. They're not even guns that Shadow would consider using in terms of looks. They're completley plain and ugly, and that's without taking a look at the teeny amount of polygons they seem to have.

...I think I'll watch the trailer thing before I say anything else. *finishes downloading, and watches*

Hmm...Despite the fact I think the guns're a bloody shamble, I like the hovering while shooting thing he's got going, and everything else doesn't look tooooo bad...Hopefully using the gun will be entirley optional, and you might even be able to put it away.

That's it. Right there. That's what I don't like. The fact that in the beginning - until recently, infact - Sonic and his furry friends ran around at ludicrous speeds defeating Eggman and co here and there - with their bare hands {and spikes...and Tails...and hammers...}, defeating the machines. they never used any. Well, apart from Tornado and such, of course, but they're rare exceptions. I like that aspect. Then Tails comes along with his clunky transformer and now Shadow with a gun. Admittedly, the the cyclone{?} wasn't really that bad, but Gamma's levels were better and I'd still prefer to use Tails by himself. I don't mind characters using gadgets here and there, really...Just...You get the point. Just a general rant thing. Back to this game.

I'd have preferred some kicks and punches and chaos energy moves like, or even based on, his SB moveset. Oh well. I just hope it's actually good. Infact...I don't...won't care about the gun stuff if it's fun. That's what matters to me.

...It could also do without putting everything on one button...And the only shiny thing on Shadow's model being the gun and braclets wouldn't be a bad idea either...

*looks up* Fraggen. That's like my 4th longest post ever. END

 
(@the-buzzbomber_1722585708)
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My worst fear is that this game will actually be good or at least commercially successful, and Shadow will usurp Sonic as the series' title character.

This would make Buzz Bomber cry.

Anyway, looking at the video I suppose it looks a bit like Sonic Adventure's Sonic levels. I always thought that that would make a much better game than the Sonic Heroes or Sonic Adventure style multi-character whatnot...

It's like a cruel joke - It is a game composed entirely of Sonic levels... Without Sonic.

I suppose I should remain subjective and say that the game could be good and that I'll remain impartial until I see more information about this game (or play it myself), but the enraged splenetic juices erupting from deep within my gut make that a bit difficult to say.

And guns? Why?

...Well, I've had my moan now. I feel better.

 
(@shadowglass)
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I can't believe you guys are so negative about this. Well, I'm back from the mists of time (and work) to point out a few things....

1) It's at least some kind of "Sonic" game. Best of all, it's will probably have dubious continuity like Chaotix, so we will have plenty of things to argue about in the forums.

2) Look, some people, myself included, actually like Shadow. There are people here that love Big, Cream and the Chaotix, so what's wrong with enjoying Shadow. Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean that those who do are fools, or that Sega should "lose money" over this.

3) For years we've been complaining that the Sonic games never fill in enough info on Shadow. Well, obviously this game will tell us SOMETHING. (I hope)

4) Every time Sega gives us something new, we complain that we wanted things to be "old School", just like the Sonic Levels in SA1 and SA2. Now, your first, knee jerk reactions are "Oh my god, uninspired!"

5) We've been complaining that the shooting segments of the recent games have been too slow. Well, now they seem to be a hell of a lot faster.

6) A long time ago, the many fanatic Sonic fans on this very forum admitted that they wanted Shadow in his own series, and not polluting their "Sonic Games." Now he's got his own spinoff, and you guys are acting like some kind of atrocity has been committed.

7) Many believed that Heroes was too light on plot, and the characters weren't serious enough, even by Sonic standards. This is probably Sega's response to that.

8) Some say the Gun is Too realistic, but you know that others would complain that it was too "Kiddy" if it were any different.

I'm not saying that you have to like it (although it certainly is far too early to hate it). I'm just suggesting that you give it a chance, and respect the large number of Shadow fans that have just widdiled themselves upon seeing this news. It doesn't mean the end of Sonic in any way, it just represents a branching out.

More importantly, rather then grousing about how much you dislike shadow, perhaps we should be discussing the various possibilities presented in the trailer. It does seem odd that they would have mentioned Sonic the Fighters. Perhaps Bark or Bean might be reinvented, or dare we hope, Fang? The Hero or Villan concept is intriguing, but I wonder if there will be a definitive "Cannon" ending?

 
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Arg... @ new screens

Ok... I could not sleep last night but I was racking my brain. I smell a Sonic Cult behind this. Think about it. They've pulled off hoaxes before. They could do it again. Several have been able to hack into SA:DX and Heroes PC version and so some major tweaking. What's stopping anyone from taking it to another level? With knowledge of Studio Max, pulling off something of this caliber is not impossible.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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If CulT can hoax Gamespot into covering it, we deserve to be tricked.

There's just no way this can be fake if so many high profile sources are covering it.

Ah and here's another article on it, a pretty nice one which is saying what we're all thinking.

TVG

 
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*prays*

Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...Please be an early April Fools joke...

In all seriousness, this had better be what it looks like: A quick, cash-in for Sonic Team while they finish up Phantasy Star Universe.

 
(@robobotnik)
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Dang you Craig and your lightning fast posting skills, you beat me to it, I'll get you next time :p .

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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I am unstoppable.

As, it seems, is Shadow's mission to destroy everything I love ;.;

Also, the footage was unleashed at the Walk of Game in San Fransisco.

Unless Sonic CulT have managed to take over Sega's booth and run the hoax video... I'd say this is pretty genuine

 
(@lighty)
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Does anyone remember the Knuckles Adventure hoax and how easily that spread EVEN when it was said to be a hoax?

 
(@swifthom_1722585705)
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If the Gun is incorporated into the Platform gameplay, like it was in Naughty Dog's excellent Jak 2, then this could be great...

The trick is to let the gun handle itself and just let the player get on with it, just tapping shoot when it's needed.

On the other hand it could bomb, but hopefully, after playing Jak 2 im more optimistic than pesimistic...
But the movie wont load so im going by screens here, trying to get it to work...

:">

 
(@the-buzzbomber_1722585708)
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You know what's really sad? That it was announced at an opening of the Walk of Game, where Sonic was recognised largely due to the type of character he is, and what the original games were like.

Then Sega come along and go 'Yo kiddies, here's a cool, updated version of Sonic - to the max! ...With a gun!'.

 
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Thanks DB. I am a Shadow fan, and this looks pretty sweet. Yes, the Gun is a surprise, but it's hardly any more out of character then him "Teaming up" up Rouge and Omega, or worse yet, letting Sonic use his "super powers" alone. Remember, mistake or not, Shadow did try to Kill all of us. Just because we haven't seen him with a gun doesn't mean he's opposed to them.

And I still maintain, most of you are acting like a bunch of Drama Queens. Did you act like this when Knuckles Chaotix came out? Shadow's not replacing Sonic, he's just going along on his own merry way, doing things that wouldn't fit into the normal Sonic Titles.

If I recall, many of you freaked out about Sonic Battle when you first heard about it, and it turned out to be a fine game that stayed true to the series, while providing a surprisingly emotional story.

 
(@the-buzzbomber_1722585708)
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We're allowed to exaggerate, you know.

 
(@mist-echidna)
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Greetings people, this is the apocalypse, Sonic Team have finaly gone insane and we are entering a dark age. WTF are they doing giving Shadow a gun for? he doesnt need one, he has a spindash/Homing atack, Chaos Control, chaos spear, his Sonic Batle moves, why the fricking gun?

I'll reserve judgement untill a Demo or something apears, anyway, for all we know it could be some experimental Chaos gun that he's swiped so he an go postal on GUN for killing Maria

I don't mind thae fact its a Shadow game, realy, as long as it explains why he isn't a crispy fireball after falling from space.

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(@craig-bayfield)
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I'd say Sega stooping low enough to have to change to get recognition from the modern market while turning it's back on fans is one reason to be upset, without being a drama queen.

Perhaps releasing a game which uses the exact same physics and graphics as Sonic Heroes, plus a few attacks and a crappy looking gun which looks alien to the model? No?

What about the fact they are wasting their time creating yet another game which is nothing more than a rehash? Surely we can still be pissed off for that, no one complained last time we ranted about the lack of work Sonic Team are putting in?

Oh! Oh! I know! How about the fact that Shadow can run faster than the bullets he shoots!

...

Damn there's so many reasons and believe it or not, Glass, my hatred of the character doesn't even show up on radar. The fact that he's staring files under "selling out"

As I wrote in my journal "they're doing with badass, what they did with "cool" 10 years ago, that I can live with", it's just the fact that they have to whore the Sonic franchise in such a way in order to achieve this result. I mean come on, this is a BLATANT rip of Ratchett & Clank. When did my beloved Sonic, the grand-daddy of fast paced action games, which paved it's own way to history, become nothing more than a cheap copy-cat game which buys in on it's own success?

If they wanted to do that, they should have made a new game with new characters.

I'd have been shooting venom if Billy Hatcher starred Tails, instead of Billy. Not because I dislike Tails, not because I dislike the game Billy Hatcher, but because IT'S NOT SONIC, GEDDANGIT!!!

 
(@smellslikechidna)
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2) Look, some people, myself included, actually like Shadow. There are people here that love Big, Cream and the Chaotix, so what's wrong with enjoying Shadow. Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean that those who do are fools, or that Sega should "lose money" over this.


With all due respect, I am, personally, a Shadow fan. Quite a large Shadow fan, I think he's one of the game's best characters, even if a little cliche.

However, Shadow's history, backstory and background are such that if you're going to have a game centred around a being who can control and harness Chaos energy, you do NOT give said being a sodding pistol. You do not send Shadow the Hedgehog - the ULTIMATE LIFEFORM - up against GUN, or whoever, with a pistol when he is perfectly capable of beating the tar out of them with his own gloved fists.

And if they do a cop-out a la Fox's blaster in Starfox Adventures (ie, the bad guys are immune to Chaos power), I'm going to cry.

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3) For years we've been complaining that the Sonic games never fill in enough info on Shadow. Well, obviously this game will tell us SOMETHING. (I hope)


Are you nuts? Sonic Battle gave us plenty to go on. It's just a matter of connecting the dots. Already, we know that Shadow's memories of Maria are fradulent, that he was never awoken or on ARK whatsoever pre SA2, we know the original reason he was created, we know that GUN twisted this and destroyed his purpose... Shadow has the most complete history available out of *any* of the Sonic characters, as confusing as it may be at times.

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7) Many believed that Heroes was too light on plot, and the characters weren't serious enough, even by Sonic standards. This is probably Sega's response to that.


I have always wanted a game involving Shadow confronting his past somewhat, especially after his Battle-long angst trip in which he succeeded in depressing virtually every character in the game, but he does not need a gun to do so. He's the Ultimate Lifeform.

Shadow is cynical, sadistic, cold and ruthless. It seems in this game, he's returning to form, however, I want to see/hear what this plot is *about*. Gameplay doesn't really concern me at this point, as nobody can ever agree on a Sonic game's quality since they went 3D.

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Some say the Gun is Too realistic, but you know that others would complain that it was too "Kiddy" if it were any different.


To be quite frank, if that gun's not cleaned up by the game's release, I'm going to be furious. It looks like it's come off the N64 in some shots, and we all know that the Cube is capable of much more than that.

 
(@shadowglass)
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We're allowed to exaggerate, you know.


I know. It's just that you guys really are getting awfully dramatic over a handful of screenshots, spouting absurd nonsense about Shadow replacing Sonic and all that rot. Shadow isn't replacing sonic, and never will. Sonic is an institution. Also, they're not presenting us with "Sonic to the Max", because if they were, it would be Sonic with a gun.

Let's face facts, wheather you like it or not, there are some Shadow fans out there. Also, there are some long time sonic fans that still love the series, but feel a tad silly during some of the "Big the Cat" moments. Sega is making a spinoff game, aimed at this market. It's not the end of days. If it's that offensive to you, then obvious you aren't part of the market this game is aimed for. Sorry.

Also, If Tails can use guns (such as the ones on his mech), then Shadow can pack some heat. For all we know, part of the plot is that he's lost his abilities, and he has to get them back. He's lost his memory before, so why not his skills? Of perhaps he's fighting some Shadow clonebots from Heroes, and needs an advantage over them.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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Shadowglass. Watch the movie before telling people off, you'll see that the game is Sonic Heroes with a gun if you did, all skills are exactly the same as always.

 
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To be honest, if it was Sonic with the gun I'd be up in arms, but it's not so I'm not.

If this game HAS been in development for 2 years then they were planning this about the same time as Heroes was finishing up, therefore this is what they were working towards with Heroes "I dont know anything" Shadow.

I don't think it's a complete sell out, but it's not perfect.

I just hope there is another PROPER Sonic 3D game coming sometime in the future, but as I said before, I'm happy with this.

And as for ripping of Ratchet and Clank, i think it's far more a rip off the Jak games than those, but that's just my opinion.

 
(@tornadot)
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There is no reason whatsoever for Shadow to need guns. He has the Spin Attack just like Sonic...he is faster than Sonic (And probably faster than the bullets)...I think this game could bomb because well...how many games out there have an angsty male lead? Show of hands, who liked the shooting levels of SA2? I hated those levels because they were so un Sonic...if I want guns and inflicting ridiculous amounts of damage on everyone and the enviorment, I'll go play Ratchet and Clank...is Shadow trying to be some sort of silent assasin or what?!

 
(@smellslikechidna)
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Also, If Tails can use guns (such as the ones on his mech), then Shadow can pack some heat.


The difference - the very large difference here - is that Tails *needs* to have a weapon. He's not a fighter, like Sonic and Knuckles, and he needs his gun on the Cyclone because to all extents and purposes, he's a fighter pilot when they're faced with Eggman.

Shadow has been genetically enhanced to be able to control Chaos energy without going Super. Sonic can't do that. Not in 1P anyway. He shouldn't have to pack heat, as you say.

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For all we know, part of the plot is that he's lost his abilities, and he has to get them back. He's lost his memory before, so why not his skills?


Oh great. Hedgehog Prime.

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And Swifthom?

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If this game HAS been in development for 2 years then they were planning this about the same time as Heroes was finishing up, therefore this is what they were working towards with Heroes "I dont know anything" Shadow.


Shadow's amnesia was cured in Sonic Battle, remember? Battle was finished before Heroes, but it's still the sequel.

 
(@d-b-vulpix)
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I mean come on, this is a BLATANT rip of Ratchett & Clank.


If Sega gives Shadow his own sidekick that can cling to his back THEN it will be a Ratchet and Clank rip-off. Or more of a Jak 2/3 rip-off if you count the games darker nature. And the fact that Jak's arsenal pales in comparion to Ratchet's :^^ . And because so far it looks like Shadow only has one gun.

 
(@shadowglass)
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Shadowglass. Watch the movie before telling people off, you'll see that the game is Sonic Heroes with a gun if you did, all skills are exactly the same as always.


I've seen it many times Craig, and I'm not telling people off. I happen to be rather intrigued with where their going with this, and I don't think twenty seconds of video from a game that's half a year from release is enough evidence for you guys to start screaming about the rapture. You'd think the screen shots were of a drunken Shadow defiling Tails the way you chaps are caring on.

The game is still a rough beta. You don't have to like it, or look forward to it. I just think it's silly to despise the game before we have any real info on it, let alone seeing the final build.

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To be honest, if it was Sonic with the gun I'd be up in arms, but it's not so I'm not.

If this game HAS been in development for 2 years then they were planning this about the same time as Heroes was finishing up, therefore this is what they were working towards with Heroes "I dont know anything" Shadow.

I don't think it's a complete sell out, but it's not perfect.

I just hope there is another PROPER Sonic 3D game coming sometime in the future, but as I said before, I'm happy with this.


Thank you, Swifthorn, for that resonable reply.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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So you'd rather we look at this and not express any opinion whatsoever?

From what I've seen, I feel justified to say "I don't like this" and state my reasons (note the big post I made for you on the previous page, none of which have to do with the character involved). I'm just expressing the amount of emotion that this video stirred in me, appologies if you find that my reaction is wrong, but it's how I feel.

I'll ask again.

Would you be doing the same thing if Billy Hatcher starred Tails?

 
(@smellslikechidna)
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Would you be doing the same thing if Billy Hatcher starred Tails?


*sneeeeeeeeeeeerk* That game would rock. Especially if one hatched Chao.

 
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I probably would have actually played it just to laugh at Tails in a chicken costume.

 
(@lighty)
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I'm with Craig on this. It's mainly the fear that what if Sega has decided this is the new standard for Sonic games from here on out? This is going to be the first T. That's practically a gimme. I've got mixed emotions and am fearful of the fanbase splitting.

 
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Oh come on! This game will be a novel addition to the franchise. How many other spin offs have been produced? Do you people remember: Sonic Battle, Sonic Drift, Sonic R, Sonic Labyrinth... There are sooooooo many of these types of games in the Sonic series. Out of the dozens of games starring Sonic characters, how many have followed the basic Sonic platforming principle? This game will be different, yes, but I doubt very much it will set a precedent in future games... just look at Sonic Heroes for example.

 
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The difference - the very large difference here - is that Tails *needs* to have a weapon. He's not a fighter, like Sonic and Knuckles,


In SA1 Tails was just as capable with his own abilities as Sonic with his, that was the point of his story (and song), that he could be a hero on equal terms to his hero.

Anyway, I have to agree with Shadow Glass to an extent, some are slightly over reacting at such an early stage, though I'm not saying that's not expected, the fact that Shadow uses a gun puts me off and is in complete contrast to previous Sonic games and characters. I still going to stay as neutral as possible until at least E3.

 
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The HUGE problem is the tone. Sonic the Hedgehog is an all ages series. The protagonist of a spinoff should not being running around with handguns, let alone highly realistic ones. This is a character that also appears in a popular children's cartoon currently in syndication throughout the world!

The next problem is how out of character it is for Shadow to carry guns. It's established that he hates weapons. Even if he didn't hate weapons he wouldn't have need to carry guns anyway, he can fire energy blasts, teleport, destroy robots with spin attacks and run faster than the speed of sound.

The final problem is how much of a shallow and obvious attempt this is to imitate the flavour of the week into a license that is completely unsuited for it.

It's like doing a Winnie the Pooh spinoff with a cigarette smoking leather jacket wearing kung-fu Matrix action Tigger.

Who is this supposed to appeal to? Sonic's core audience is children, the older Sonic fans will mostly be able to see straight through this shallow bastardisation of an all ages series, and the average teen who does want dark badass angsty games with guns certainly aren't going to want it from a Sonic the Hedgehog spinoff, they'll play games that actually are adult-orientated and edgy.

Remember when Sonic was an ALL AGES series of GOOD games? Now we seem to be stuck with juvenile toned games like Sonic Heroes and dark toned T+ games like this Shadow the Hedgehog.

 
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At the risk of not adding anything to his previous post, VCP just posted my exact sentiments. Whether or not the game is good, it still betrays what the series is (or was).

It'd be the same as having the next Street Fighter as a FPS - you can have Blanka and Dhalsim in it, but it still won't really be what Street Fighter was all about.

Hyperbole and sarcasm aside, this game does have a chance at being good, but that still doesn't help the fact that it isn't any way near 'Sonic' (as in the series it belongs to). All the previous spin-offs like Chaotix or Tails Adventures still had the tone of the series.

If it were, say, a Shadow game where the gun was used by a new character to whom it was relevant (i.e. Gamma, and to a lesser extent the Egg Walker/Cyclone levels of Sonic Adventure 2 used them as an extension of the character or machine), then it wouldn't be so bad, but I'd still find it too... realistic.

Even Gamma or the Walkers used laser-type guns, and all of Eggman's weapons have never used a 'gun' even if they have quasi-bullets shot at you. The gun doesn't fit into the series in this context any more than making Sonic's main mode of transport a car (and yes, I'm aware of the Sonic Drifts .).

 
(@pat-l-hedgehog)
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Hopefully it should be released for PS2 and Xbox first, the GC version will come a bit later.

I'm not really excited about it, because I want to see the other Sonic characters in the game, I'm still hoping that Miles will get another handheld release.

 
(@hyper-sonic-warrior)
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Hopefully it should be released for PS2 and Xbox first, the GC version will come a bit later

o_O

Edit: Oh, and what VCP and Buzz said...Plus, I think some are over-reacting a little bit. I'm quite sure it's just another spinoff, and the main series will keep true to whatever it still has intact. *shrug* I really don't think much will change. It's just a cash in on the current cool thing. Buuut...as has been said, you don't need to drag a character OOC to do it. MORE ORIGINAL CRAP PLZ.

 
(@catakiller)
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I am quite surprised by all this. Im only slightly angry that shadow has a gun, because as far as the older titles go, he doesn't need one. But what im really concerned about are the Heroes graphics, Shadow Model, and physics. The homing attacks show Shadow bounce upward off of an enemy like heroes instead of just going through them in a nice quick line like SA2. He seems to have the heroes running animation where his feet don't seem to be moving as fast as they should, and with no fire coming from his shoes. The wall jumping looks a little cooler in that close up shot, but I imagine its just as crummy as the heroes version of it.

But that Super Sonic flying looks pretty cool and fast. I just hope this game will allow you to keep moving like SA2, and just keep connecting tricks and attacks. That float shooting is alright and looks like it can work its way into the non stop action.

One more thing, if you all remember from SA to SA2, running through loops and certain obsticles became more smoother and natural looking. In SH it was choppy and awful looking, I hope this game will improve on that and make it look like hes running at the speed hes running at without ugly choppy crap.

I hope its fun.

 
(@smellslikechidna)
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In SA1 Tails was just as capable with his own abilities as Sonic with his, that was the point of his story (and song), that he could be a hero on equal terms to his hero.


I'd disagree with that, solely on the basis that Tails' levels were all about strategy (finding the quickest path), flight and speed. His boss battles can either be counted as irrelevant, as they took place when Sonic was there, and therefore, it can be assumed that in the main story, it's JUST Sonic who wastes them, or counted in that he and Sonic co-oped.

Tails didn't equal Sonic by fighting, he equalled him by using his attributes to defeat Eggman without smacking him around.

 
(@d-b-vulpix)
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I wonder if anyone is just surprised/upset that its Shadow and not Tails...

 
(@Anonymous)
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Where was all the mayhem and panic when they announced Tails and the music Maker? Huh!?

I'M SENSING SOME HATE FOR THE BLATANT UNIMAGINATIVE RIP-OFF CHARACTER. :(

*cough* Anyway... LOL @ this

 
(@shigamado_1722585792)
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I agree with VCP 100%. Here's the scenario this christmas;

Kid - Mommy! Mommy! There's the new Sonic game! Can I have it?!
Mother - I guess so honey, lemme take a look. Shadow the Hedgehog?! You play as the bad guy? Oh my, he has a gun! It's rated T. You're only 7 honey, I'm sorry but this game is too violent for you.

Kid - Whhaaaaaaa!!

This story is fictional of course as no parent actually reads the ESRB rating

 
(@swifthom_1722585705)
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Shadow's amnesia was cured in Sonic Battle, remember? Battle was finished before Heroes, but it's still the sequel.


I dont buy that...
Shadow's character has potential, but aside from the twist in SA2 he's been wasted, and more than that malhandled so badly that noone really has a clue whats going on.

I'm relying on this game to tie things up, and if it doesnt I'm prepared to switch sides and join Craig on the "SHADOW HATERS" bench.

But at the mo, im being optimistic, I'll admit it's far from perfect but I'm hoping for a simmilar tone in gameplay to the one in SA2, as SH said i( tihink it was SH) the tone is what makes it not Sonic. I can't see anything in the video which didnt looklike it would fit in SA2's tone apart from holding a gun, but ill wait till I see more untill then.

 
(@rico-underwood)
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OH MY GIGGLE! NUH UH! They are ripping ME off! I'm the original firearm toting furball around here! *throws childish dramaqueen rant driven tantrums*

Ok, and on a serious note. Don't like it, don't play it. I probably won't be playing this one. If I wanna play a shooter I'll buy HL2 or something. Wake me when they release a Sonic MMO. *stretchs, yawns, and goes back to sleep*

~Rico (...smoulders with generic rage)

 
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