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(@super-rayzor_1722027929)
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Is it just me or does that kinda look like the ME shrine from ARK there.

 
(@hyper-sonic-warrior)
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n/m

 
(@janucheese)
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Charmy's purpose in this game:

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When I played the alpha version Charmy gave Shadow the mission to find 5 G.U.N. Disc's. The Characters are just an other version of Omochao.


also, more things about this game:


^^^one of Eggman's bases. here you meet up with Amy

^^^this is how the goal ring looks at the ending of neutral mission.

^^^Shadow with an Eggpawn gun/bazooka. it has also been confirmed that Shadow can use the jousting poles that some of the Eggpawns have.

also, it's been said that Shadow can use a G.U.N walker. so we should get some "Tails/Eggman SA2/B robo walker" feelings in this game i guess.

also:

 
(@shadonic_1722027905)
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hmmm... Watching the trailer again I notice someone leading GUN forces. He didn't look like a soldier, he had a coat. I wonder could this the leader of GUN? I hope he is someone like Bishop(TMNT) and be all evil and twisted:evil

 
(@janucheese)
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yeah, i noticed him. some say that he looks like George Bush.:lol

if Shadow does work with G.U.N, i'm guessing that guy will be his "Black Doom".

 
 Pach
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That guy really reminds me of the Fuyutski character from Neon Genesis Evangelion, with the coat, hair etc. Might be interesting to see if he isn't the true G.U.N commander, but instead exacts his orders for him.

 
(@super-rayzor_1722027929)
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Well, besides the pictures I posted a while back, Shadow's game page positively confirms Shadow the Hedgehog is rated E-10+ because of fantasy violence and mild language. I presume the mild language is things like crap, crud, freakin', etc. because I cannot fathom a Sonic game or spin-off actually using real cuss words. Any thoughts?

 
(@shadonic_1722027905)
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Sorry Super Rayzor but from the horse's mouth
esrb.com/search_results.a...teSearch=1

:nono Sorry kiddies guess you have to ask your older brother (13+)to buy for you.

Edit- I just realise something if Shadow is rated Teen then where is the excuse of not putting Street of Rage games on Sonic Gems :annoyed . I mean wouldn't it make invalid SoA excuse now.:razz

 
(@questern)
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Ok, I was expecting violence, but language? That's not a "problem" I was expecting from this game. Ah well. I wouldn't have issues with it anyways.

I can't wait! ^_^

 
(@janucheese)
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hey SHADONIC:

.....nah, i'm just joking.:jester

i just wanted to find an excuse to post that.:lol *shot*

 
(@energyemerald_1722585807)
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Eh?

So, is it E-10+, or Teen (13+)?

 
(@super-rayzor_1722027929)
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Well, EE, according to these pics and Shadow's game page, he's E-10+ but according to the ESRB's website it's T. I hope the pic and gamepage are right, but there's a possiblity that they're wrong, of course so could the ESRB website. I'm hoping the one that updates the ESRB website was looking at the wrong game when he put a T on Shadow.

 
(@psxphile_1722027877)
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"SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG, available in November
on Sony Playstation 2, Microsoft Xbox and Nintendo GameCube."

"Rated T for Tenrecs."

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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Why? The game just OOZES T, honestly. Then there's the fact that Sega themselves wouldn't let anyone younger than 13 play the game when they showed it off.

 
(@metal-overlord_1722585759)
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About the language, they've cussed before in previous Sonic games. But only in Japanese, though.

 
(@lighty)
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Exactly. The level of realism they have with the gunplay screams T rating. 'Fantasy violence' or 'cartoon violence' doesn't come into mind especially with the last trailor.

 
(@shadonic_1722027905)
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About the language, they've cussed before in previous Sonic games. But only in Japanese, though.

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Well Rouge did call someone a "dirty bastard" in english in the japanese version Sonic Battle .

 
(@super-shadic-01_1722585742)
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I agree that there's the possibility of the ESRB site to be wrong. Just recently, Marvel Nemesis was rated M because of the fatality-like finishers, language, and the surprise amount of gore it has (very surprising, seeing how this is a game based on the known heroes of Marvel), but then it was reverted back to T. The same could apply for StH. Then again, I can be wrong.

 
(@energyemerald_1722585807)
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Shadonic, that was Eggman she said it to.

"Eggman, you dirty bastard!"

Some words we consider offensive, aren't offensive in Japan. In Japan, the Japanese translation of "bastard" isn't a cuss word to them.

I think a few of our words translated to Japan may be cuss words to them, which are used every day. Isn't the Japanese translation of "crap" a cuss word?

EE

 
(@manaita)
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TGS's new trailer has come.
It has a long version of the theme song, but I can't catch the lyrics.
Please help me, all.
Go to this page,
sega.jp/soft/event/tgs2005/home.html
and click the link in the second level's blue box on the right side.(It has a tennis coat pic)
The new window which has the links in the left side will open. The third white link in PS category is Shadow's. (The third is SonicRiders. You also can see SonicRush in DS/GBA category. It's the second link.)

Thank you!

 
(@shadowfax272)
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For some weirdo reason, I was expecting this game to have actual cuss words in it. Dunno why though.

 
(@koivo_1722585812)
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trailer isnt working. Its been "Buffering Now" for nearly an hour...:?

 
(@manaita)
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Sega Japan seems to have some kind of problems with loading.
I uploaded it but it has only a sound.
If you don't care, hear it and please tell me the lyrics.
www.geocities.jp/mana_fakefur/allofme_long.mp3

 
(@koivo_1722585812)
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Thanks for providing the song. Here's the lyrics I've got so far..... some of its pretty hard to distinguish.

Teh Shadow Theme :spin :spin

???????????????????????
Black body's on the ball
Unleash familiar faces
When one by one they fall

Black hearted evil, grey hearted hero
I am all I am, All I am

I (echoes)......I am......
Here we go buddy here we go buddy
Here we go Here we go buddy here we go

Go ahead and try to see through me
Do it if you can
One step forward, two steps back I'm
???????????????????????

Do it (x4)

Can you see all of me, walk into my history
Step inside and hold on for dear life

Do you remember me, capture you or set you free
I am all, I am all of me (I am, I am all of me)

I am I am I'm all of me
I am I am I'm all of me
I am I am I'm all of me (here we go here we go)
I am I am I'm all of me (here we go)

I am I am all of me.

I'll still try to look at the trailer and try to figure out those few missing words.

 
(@manaita)
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Yeahhh thank you~~~!
I'm sure you will get surprise when
you see the trailer, because Team Chaotix run with Sonic, Shadow and Amy.

 
(@cyberknux_1722585730)
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Shadow looks completely and utterly psychotic in the new trailer, and I don't think I like it. The rest is good, however. Yeah, like the Chaotix going along with Sonic and co.

Hey Manaita, I was wondering - do you happen to have translated character profiles from Shadow's official japanese website? I can't find any up on your personal website, but I just thought I'd ask, anyway, as I'd love to be able to read about Black Doom and Doom's Eye :)

 
(@janucheese)
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darn it! it's still not working for me! can someone help?

anyway, someone from another site posted a video when he went to a convention and played games like Sonic Rush and Shadow (as well as LoZ:TP and stuff):

www.megaupload.com/de/?d=24FT4221
(wait until the 45 seconds is up, then click on that link that says "Zum Starten des Downloads hier klicken")

^^^the Shadow video is at about 13:24 the good parts (IMO) are at 20:25. about 45:29 they go back to Shadow again.

but so far, it's a cheap video. it has no color and no sound. it also took about 1 hour+ to download. he plans to put up a better one 2 weeks from now. so if you wanna wait you can. anyway, i like what i saw:

-Shadow on a motorbike for a second or two before the guy fell of a cliff. seems that you can go on bouncers with it.:eek
-more of Knuckles was seen. the partner AI looks pretty good. when the aliens were ganging up on Shadow, Knux helped out. but of course he doesn't help you with the G.U.N soldiers.
-the graphics are definately the best a 3D Sonic game has ever had so far.
-you see the "Choose mission" option at the pause menu. there you see three icons. one shows Doom's Eye (dark mission) another icon shows the chaos emerald (neutral mission) and the third one showed Knuckles (hero mission). the guy could change missions any time he liked. he even did it (changed it from hero to neutral) at the very ending of the level in front of the goal ring so that he would get an emerald....dunno if it worked though (either that wasn't a level with an emerald or that's cheating).
-you can use desert storm tornadoes to go up to higher places.
-overall look more challenging than Heroes.
-there is an expert mode. probably the Super Hard Mode of this game.
-normal in-game cutscenes look better than other 3D Sonic games before it (ex: the characters stand still normally).
-Sonic and the Choatix can be seen running into action.
-this confirms that when Sonic was looking beat up that Shadow was helping him out.

 
(@manaita)
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Ooh sounds interesting. I'd like to go to TGS and play the games.

I tryed to translate the official profile of BlackDoom but English isn't my first language, so it became bad translation.
Anyway, I hope you find it informative.

@VAERcubNA[Yv
Suddenly appears from the sky and dyeing the world into the dark, it's the mysterious legion "Black Arms".

ubNhD[Rcw
RcnB
Black Doom is not only the leader who govern the legion, but also the creator of it.

JIXGhTH
VhEmH
VhE^AB
Where were they come from, and why are they looking for Chaos Emeralds?
And why do they know Shadow?
Their mystery become clear as Shadow approach his truth.

That's all. I will explain or send you PM about "Dooms Eye" tomorrow, if you want... I have to go to bed.

 
(@shadonic_1722027905)
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Wow that sure is a lot info janucheese. More challenging that Heroes??
BTW I found the complete lyrics of Shadow theme at Sonic Stadium:

I see no, hear no evil...
Black writing on the wall...
Unleash a million faces...
And one by one they fall!

Black hearted evil!
Brave hearted hero!
I am all...
I am all...
I am!

I...
I...
I am!
(Nobody, Nobody, No--Nobody, No--)

Go ahead and try to see through me!
Do it if you dare!
One step forward, two step back now!
One step forward, two step back!
(Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!)

Can you see all of me?
Walk into my history...
Said they'd say!
Now I'm on delay!

Do you remember me?
Capture you and set you free!
I am all...
I am all of me!

(I am, I am all of me)
I am
(I am, I'm all of me)
I am
(I am, I'm all of me)
I am
(I am, I'm all of me)
I am
(I am, I'm all of me)

I am...
I am all of me!

:cackle
LOL The first paragraph share similar lyrics to Crush 40 other cool song "What Im made of" from Sonic Heroes. :p

Edit-
*read manaita post*
Interesting so the aliens know Shadow from before?

 
(@janucheese)
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trailer link that worked for me:

http://uploadhut.com/download/index.php/?file=322890.wmv
:thumbsup

 
(@hypersonic2003)
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*cries* November's just two months away. So far, so far...

 
(@dreamer-of-nights)
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Who's the character behind Sonic?

 
(@maverick-sh)
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Espio. That or Rouge, if you mean behind and ABOVE him, which she is. Otherwise it's just Espio.

 
 Pach
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Looking at the trailer and what actually happens at the specific time with the lyrics is actually quite interesting, and it certainly makes it look better then randomly placing parts of the FMV together. I wonder if anyone else noticed this? Maybe it'll also help show what the lyrics really are.

For instance, I see no, hear no evil... has Shadow racing forward on the motorcycle against the Black Doom monsters, and is the first example of how the loyalty lines will cross.
Black writing on the wall... shows the battle between G.U.N forces and Black Doom, and of how both sides arent exactly pure and such.
Unleash a million faces... The Black Doom monsters fall from the sky, and there are literally millions of them.
And one by one they fall! This again shows the Black Doom falling, with the larger one falling and destroying the car.

Black hearted evil! Showing how the Black Doom are the greater evil through punching away the oncoming vehicle.
Brave hearted evil! Despite the fact that the G.U.N forces are indeed evil in the sense of the events of Ark, they are no doubt brave in terms of combating the Black Doom against such hopeless odds.

I am all...
I am all...
I am!
Shadow. Nuff said.

I...
I...
I am!
Here we go buddy here we go buddy
Here we go Here we go buddy here we go
This part lends me to thinking it is actually buddy rather then nobody, as at this point it can be seen that the heroes of the group, Sonic, Tails etc and the Chaotix Crew race forward, the people that will be the buddies to Shadow.

Go ahead and try to see through me!
Do it if you dare!
Shadow attacking the various enemies before him, as if taunting them to do it when all theyll receive is defeat.
One step forward, two step back now!
One step forward, two step back!
Shadow stepping forwards, preparing to do the Chaos Blast move.
(Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!) As if egging Shadow on so that he actually does it and the explosive results of it.

Can you see all of me?
Walk into my history...
Said they'd say!
Now I'm on delay!
Im not sure whether the lyrics actually have a meaning on what happens here, but its basically all the three main forces charging their forces in; Black Doom, G.U.N and Eggman. Whether it means Shadows thoughts on all these people and what they failed to do to him, Im not sure.

Do you remember me? The shot of the Ark, and the memories that it contains of what happened to Shadow and Maria.
Capture you and set you free! Relating to how Shadow was captured and set free by G.U.N, and a sort of ironic twist as it seems Shadow comes down to capture the G.U.N guard, but presumably sets him free.
I am all...
I am all of me!
A close up of Shadow and his conflicting loyalties and emotions.

(I am, I am all of me)
I am
(I am, I'm all of me)
I am
(I am, I'm all of me)
I am
(I am, I'm all of me)
I am
(I am, I'm all of me)

I am...
I am all of me!
Again, Shadows emotions and loyalties, such as joining and helping Sonic, whereas it really only boils down to Shadow himself.

 
(@sandygunfox)
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Well, it seems Crush 40 still has it. Even if the song is way too short at two minutes.

 
(@mr-creosote)
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Images taken from the trailer:


Alien Bling Bling.


Ark.


Bye Bye soldier.


Fat ass eggpawns


A soldier.


I kick your face in.


I kick your face too.


Are you looking at me!


Man.


Bye sonic, or
HSW (2:55 am): BUTTSEX


A bit ticked off.


Shadow boom.


Still ticked off.


Smash Smash!


Sonic and the gang.

 
(@crazy-cham-lea_1722585730)
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Quote:


Well, it seems Crush 40 still has it. Even if the song is way too short at two minutes.


Some if not all of the other games' themes had shortened versions for intro/trailer purposes. I'm willing to bet this isn't the entire song but a "radio edit" more or less.

 
(@koivo_1722585812)
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Thanks, janucheese:thumbsup

Cool looking trailer.:cackle :cackle

Whilst I agree on most of the lyrics, after saying 'Can see all of of me, walk into my history'

It sounds like they are saying 'Step inside and hold on for dear life' and its makes sense to me because Shadow is getting involved in a war between Eggman, G.U.N. AND the aliens and he'll need to fight to survive no matter who he helps.

 
(@shadowaldrius)
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That shot of the entire group is pretty sweet. Though Rouge and Knuckles shouldn't be there if Omega isn't there. I mean, come on... Omega!

 
(@seanleonard2006)
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VOTE SONIC! He's losing to Mega Man, but with an extra push, he can win! Go to www.gamefaqs.com, scroll down a bit, and vote for Sonic!!!

 
(@matt7325)
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Quote:


VOTE SONIC! He's losing to Mega Man, but with an extra push, he can win! Go to www.gamefaqs.com, scroll down a bit, and vote for Sonic!!!


 
(@maverick-sh)
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Given that this is the second post I've seen where you jump into a topic and spam that confounded contest, with no attention to what the topic is whatsoever, I'm not exactly happy with you. Thus I'm giving you your first - and only - warning on the matter. Post this crap again and I'll personally push for your ban.

Back on-topic...

 
(@da-muthalovin-jman)
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I agree, let's get back on topic.

This game looks really, really sweet. ^_^

 
(@mr-creosote)
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(@shadonic_1722027905)
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Thanks for the trailer Mr Creosote

BTW ign has a couple of new pic

http://media.cube.ign.com/media/734/734824/imgs_1.html

 
(@hypersonic2003)
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Yay thanks Creosote. Now i'm off to watch it. Watched it. Well...Holy Hell! Totally kickass. I love how the aliens are just causing total chaos. It's so awesome. I thought what Shaodw did on SA2 was big, but no, this is way bigger. And some of those aliens look really tough. And if you recall when he teleports...that isn't the Chaos Control we know and love is it? I think it may be a new ability for short distance time warping or something. Hopefully we can use that in the game. It's really weird seeing humans get gunned down and stuff. Anyway...from the looks of it Shadow may be in my top 5 favorite Sonic Team games.

Forgot to mention - The theme may be my favorite out of the past three big Sonic games. It seems to represent Shadow perfectly. :thumbsup

 
(@hyper-sonic-warrior)
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Dude, that Matrix forumpic is awesome. ...But the agents look goofy in the screencap. Especially the one behind Smith.

Ontopic. What he's using in the trailer is Chaos Control, no doubt about it. I am 99% sure we won't be able to use that in-game. I also think this is more of a bastardization of Shadow more than anything, rather than his peak...

However, I'm willing to give the game a try. I think a bit higher of it than I did at first...Still have my nitpicks though. Ooooh, the nitpicks. THE NITPICKS!!!

 
(@swifthom_1722585705)
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The nitpicks for sure HSW...

And yes, I agree it WONT be available in gameplay for 2 reasons:
It wouldnt work in gameplay
If it did it would make things 2 easy

And, I dont think this game is RUINING his character, it is actually quite a good continuation of his character. He always liked using Chaos Control to zoom around, no reason why he couldn't use it in battle...

The music, well, I think I've fallen in love with this latest Crush 40 offering... :spin
And although this game certainly has nitpicks, I'm glad they've gone down with this route with Shadow because, well, their right.
He ISN'T sonic, and its a brilliant experiment that I hope pays of well. As far as I can tell there are only a few ways this can go wrong:

Bad cutscene dialogue, like Sonic Heroes...

The game being too short or to easy, although the different enings might relieve the former slightly

Bad controls too lose like Sonic Heroes

Not enough freedom with the weapons (IE. use gun here, use sword here, this is a bazooka area) so on and so forth
Sonic X Voice actors not rasing their game, I know their good but PLEASE put some emotion into it guys...

Shadows past NOT being resolved by the end, or maybe nothing being resolved, I dont care if we dont know the whole story as long as we get something CONCRETE

If the game avoids most of them, then I'll be a VERY happy gamer :)

 
(@sandygunfox)
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Quote:


Some if not all of the other games' themes had shortened versions for intro/trailer purposes. I'm willing to bet this isn't the entire song but a "radio edit" more or less.


I'm sorry, that's what I meant. >< That the clip is too short.

 
(@the-skoot)
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Anyone else think that TGS trailer might be the attract movie that plays when you leave the game on the start screen? It's all cut-scene with no in=game footage like the Sonic Heroes one, and all the elements are there (Shadow being angsty, token action, shots introducing all the major players...). Not anything major I know, but just something I noticed.

 
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