Based on the track record from this dev team, the hate is understandable. Personally all I see is yet another gimmicky bad idea from a tradition of gimmicky bad ideas that has been brought into the limelight in regards to this franchise. Yep, just another major post-SA Sonic console game, all right.
And for the record, the only console Sonic game I've liked post Genesis era was the original Sonic Adventure 1, though I haven't played it in several years so who know if I would still appreciate it today if I played it right now, or if my love for the game was just fueled by blind nostalgia.
@kayla: That's like saying no one should ever be released from prison after they've commited a crime because all they'll do is commit more crimes.
Now if you've hated past games, I'm all for expressing those opinions. (And just for the record, I liked Heroes, liked Shadow, and was so frustrated by '06 I couldn't finish it.) But how could I or anyone condemn a game after only seeing one magazine article with a few screenshots?
No, this is the equivalent of a criminal committing the same crime over and over again and still getting released. It's not a one-time issue. This has consistantly happen with pretty much every single console game since the Adventure games. Heroes did it, Shadow did it, Sonic 06 did it, and Secret Rings did it.
When Sega puts out a game that is halfway decent (meaning no FMV loops where one button push will send you into oblivion, a camera that doesn't always point forward making it impossible to backtrack, not being forced to have to upgrade your speed when you should have full speed right out of the gate, and no crappy side quests), then I'll stop hating on games based on an article.
Until then, Sonic as a franchise past Sonic Heroes is dead to me.
Yeah, right.
All the people here who are claiming this game is a failure, or that the Sonic franchise is dead, or this is a disaster, try and realize this; You're still coming to a Sonic-themed message board (despite your 'hate'), just to say how much you hate the games.
Now, I admit, Sonic 06 was terrible, but in my opinion, with good reason. It was a rushed, forced launch title, instead of being allowed the development it deserved. Now, come on, people, this game hasn't even come out yet, don't be so uptight. In my opinion, the gameplay is resembling the new Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, and that can't be too bad, especially for a Wii title.
I can understand some of your reasons for disliking the franchise, but be a little more decent about it, instead of going to a thred about a game, just to tell us how much you're NOT going to play it, and expect anyone to care. After Sonic Unleashed comes out, I hope it's a big success, and honestly, I believe it will be.
All the people here who are claiming this game is a failure, or that the Sonic franchise is dead, or this is a disaster, try and realize this; You're still coming to a Sonic-themed message board (despite your 'hate'), just to say how much you hate the games.
As I mentioned earlier, the train wreck factor.
I can understand some of your reasons for disliking the franchise, but be a little more decent about it, instead of going to a thred about a game, just to tell us how much you're NOT going to play it, and expect anyone to care. After Sonic Unleashed comes out, I hope it's a big success, and honestly, I believe it will be.
You expect people not to express their negative opinion on a game based on their first impressions and/or past experience with this franchise(especially this franchise) on a message board. Really? 
The folks here are being decent as they are actually giving out reasons why they are skeptical that this game(or Unleashed--which is a different thread) will be a decent addition to this series instead of one-liners as "lol it sux!".
By the way, the Sonic games usually are successful financially whether they are broken or not.
He didn't say financial success he said success.
Until then, Sonic as a franchise past Sonic Heroes is dead to me.
I've heard this so many times it has lost meaning. You act as if releasing a couple... (Yes, a couple, count them, though you could (and I would) could Sonic Heroes) bad games will kill the franchise. And man, while it is disappointing to see that, you don't see me going and saying "Sonic is dead this game is bad" every time a game is about to be released. It's almost like you're protecting yourself from having your heart crushed by the next game that is going to be released by putting your hopes for the game so low that you go as far as pointing out your hopes on some forum on the internets where you simply reassure that you don't care about the game.
He didn't say financial success he said success.
Until then, Sonic as a franchise past Sonic Heroes is dead to me.
I've heard this so many times it has lost meaning. You act as if releasing a couple... (Yes, a couple, count them, though you could (and I would) could Sonic Heroes) bad games will kill the franchise. And man, while it is disappointing to see that, you don't see me going and saying "Sonic is dead this game is bad" every time a game is about to be released. It's almost like you're protecting yourself from having your heart crushed by the next game that is going to be released by putting your hopes for the game so low that you go as far as pointing out your hopes on some forum on the internets where you simply reassure that you don't care about the game.
Well, let's do a count of the games that promised us the world and failed to deliver, shall we?
Sonic Heroes
Shadow the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2006
Sonic Genesis
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Five bad games in five years is not just a couple. Considering how much money Sega has made over the past years, you cannot tell me that they can't afford to take their time making a game. For the love of God, they can't even port one of their own games right. Look at Sonic Genesis and Sonic 06 and just try to tell me that it was best they could do.
Well, Kay, I don't think you should count SatSR as a lot more people liked it than any other 3D game out there. That being said, SatSR is my least favorite Sonic game I played and hope to God that Black Knight is not on rails as I hated Rings being on rails; I mean I think 06 blew Rings outta the water. O' course, I actually liked Sonic 06, so that would explain why I can like it better than Rings.
I'm not trying to be snide, but could you clarify what they failed to deliver?
Sonic Heroes - claimed to be going back to the Genesis style of playing; all we ended up getting was a team dynamic that was clunky and messed up the games flow, not to mention every single level seemed to be built above a pit of doom that you saw more often than the stage itself
Shadow the Hedgehog - claimed to be focused on the more mature Sonic gamers; the gunplay was horrendous and alltogether useless
Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 - easily the second worst behind Sonic Genesis; bad camera angles, cliched plotline, horrible Amigo system
Sonic Genesis - The absolute worst of the lot; platforms that appear and disappear at random; not being able to see the entire screen at one time; the spindash actually slowed down gameplay instead of speeding it along. How can someone port a 2D game to a console designed for 2D games and fail so horribly?
Sonic and the Secret Rings - no rear facing camera, meaning that if you had to backtrack, you were forced to do it blind, with no way of seeing what was behind you; you were forced to go through the game at less that top speed, because you had to complete certain tasks to upgrade speed. This is Sonic the Hedgehog we're talking about here. He should have his full speed at the very beginning. If we must be forced to upgrade his abilities, they should at least give us Super Sonic in normal stages.
Well, Kay, I don't think you should count SatSR as a lot more people liked it than any other 3D game out there.
As far as this series is concerned, that ain't saying much. 
I recall that Secret Rings received mixed impressions.
Yeah, it seemed positive at the time, but after I posted that I looked at Rings profile on Wikipedia and it said it had average ratings.
Sonic Genesis wasn't a major sonic game. I'd hardly count that as a major release that was a bad game. It was a port. A port that wasn't even done by Sonic Team at that.
Sonic and the Secret Rings was also not a mainstream Sonic game, and on top of that saying that it was a failure is not an appropriate thing to say as it is regarded as a decent/good game, though it wasn't particularly amazing and there were of course people who didn't like it. It's a matter of opinion in this game, and the fact that you didn't like it doesn't make it bad.
Same goes for Sonic Heroes, though I must say I HATED Sonic Heroes.
I'm counting 2 here, 3 tops.
The fact that you had to earn decent controls in Secret Rings already makes it questionable to be counted as a good game. As mentioned many reviews listed it as average at best. Average, however won't just cut it for many folks whose interest this series is dying or already dead.
Exactly. Why should you have to earn what you should be given right at the start? I don't recall ever having to earn the right to run, jump, or spin dash in the classic era.
It used to be back in the good ol days sega sucked as a coporation but was a good game developer. Hence why they kept releasing failed peripherals like the 32x. Nowadays they are a good coporation but most of the original staff is gone, hence the decline in quality.
Actually, I think they still suck as a company business-wise, as they seem to had a sizable loss in profits this past financial year despite the success of M&S and the movie-based games they released. Though, I think the Sammy side is at fault there.
As I mentioned earlier, the train wreck factor.
As I'm going to mention, that had nothing to do with what you quoted.
You expect people not to express their negative opinion on a game based on their first impressions and/or past experience with this franchise(especially this franchise) on a message board. Really?
By the way, the Sonic games usually are successful financially whether they are broken or not.
You're not getting my point; as much as any of you whine and complain, you're going to play the game. Still, how hard is it to simply ignore a game you think you're not going to like, instead of wasting your time with every teaser image, saying 'omg it's ruining franchiseeeee' when Sonic will probably never die.
And like someone else pointed out, I didn't say financial, I said success.
I'm not. I'm not going to go purchase a Wii just so I can play the latest Sonic the Trainwreck game.
Actually, I think they still suck as a company business-wise, as they seem to had a sizable loss in profits this past financial year despite the success of M&S and the movie-based games they released. Though, I think the Sammy side is at fault there.
Not that I'm going to pretend that I know anything about business, I've been reading it as: Sega Games are making profit, Sammy Pachinko making +@%%$#$ huge losses, that are nullifying the profit Sega would be making.
I want to see some moving footage. Not that it will help to determine whether or not it is free roaming or on rails. Seeing as the whole trailer will be Sonic running... Roll on Leipzig. Plus MK Vs DCU.
They already said the game was'nt on rails. =O
I'm not. I'm not going to go purchase a Wii just so I can play the latest Sonic the Trainwreck game.
I'm pretty sure there'll be other ways than having to purchase a 250 dollar system to play this game.
'Sonic The Trainwreck'? That's cute.
And in all honesty, I'd expect people who actually own a Wii would be the ones to 'complain'.
As I'm going to mention, that had nothing to do with what you quoted.
On the contrary, it does. 
One of the reasons I still come here other than liking the folks and generally replying to threads/messages is because in some strange and twisted sense, I'm curious to see how low will Sonic Team go in order to "reinvent" the series before they completely snap like Telenet Japan and place Sonic in some vomit-inducing raping game. Though by then, I would have completely bail out from this section of the board when Sonic the Magical Date Sim is announced. 
And like someone else pointed out, I didn't say financial, I said success.
Yes, but "success" could be intereperated in different ways. Do you mean being successful in creating a quality product first and formost or success that in that it will sell millions? The later is more likely to happen than the former.
You're not getting my point; as much as any of you whine and complain, you're going to play the game.
And in all honesty, I'd expect people who actually own a Wii would be the ones to 'complain'.
I have access to a Wii and for me, this game look just as appealing as the low-budget spin-offs and shovel ware that plagues the system, so no I don't expect to be playing this game anytime soon. The only possible exception is that it miraculously receive nearly 90% from reviews across the board and/or mostly positive impressions from gamers who are nearly as skeptical as me when it comes to the franchise. And even then it wouldn't be a "must play" game that I need to try out before any other game in the future.
As for your last sentence, you sound like you are new to this fandom.
As for your last sentence, you sound like you are new to this fandom.
Sure looks that way. He should've been here during the Sonic 06 period.
Besides, South Island isn't just for current games. It encompasses all games from Sonic 1 to present, not to mention we have great forum games and help threads.
They already said the game was'nt on rails. =O
O= When was this? =O
I am running behind on this one 
It was in the Nintendo Power article! =)
I thought that Sonic Unleashed was confirmed to be not on rails, not this game.
Sure looks that way. He should've been here during the Sonic 06 period.
Should have been here even much more earlier than that. I remember the complaints about Sonic Team handling the franchise since after SA2:Battle and SMC was revealed. There were complaints that SMC was an inferior port compared to Sonic Jam and disappointing in that the most sought after Sonic CD was absent sans the intro and outro movies. There were other complaints in that Sonic Team were just porting games to the GCN instead creating new ones. However, the hate didn't start to become volitile until after Sonic Heroes was released and when a lazy port of SA1 was announced and Shadow the Hedgehog followed some months later.
It's not on rails either.
Where in NP was it confirmed that it is not on rails? All I remember was that it was confirmed that is use the nunchuck to move instead of the Wiimote.
Where in NP was it confirmed that it is not on rails? All I remember was that it was confirmed that is use the nunchuck to move instead of the Wiimote.
"One of the big hooks of Secret Rings was that you would steer the hedgehog by tilting the Wii remote. But because the remote is now use to wield the sword, SBK has you manuevering your character the old fashion way: via the Control Stick."
It kind of hard to tell if by "old fashion way" they mean like the Adventures games or just on rails like Secret Rings but controling Sonic with the Control Stick instead of Wiimote.
Yeah, that's what I meant. That statement is kind of ambiguous and it could go either way.
Just a blind guess on the few screens seen. I think this game will be totally on rails.
I wonder if Sega uses Dugongs to come up with game ideas.
Nah, it looks like Sonic has the ability to stop and take a breather.
Keyword: LOOKS.
Wow.....its a sign O_o
GENERATORS ARE THE CANON OF THE FUTURE
THIS WAY WE CAN FINALLY FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS IN SONIC UNLEASHED
WHOA! at both of Magikoopa's posts.
ew. Eggman and Amy Rose are friends.....with benefits???
And whats a strip friend? Is it what I think it means?
That would explain some of sonic cd, that chart.
It would also explain why Eggy's so fond of kidnapping her.
Where's Dubsy when you need him?
That is so wrong, Toby.
...You completely forgot the goggles on his head. *shot*
But it feels so right!
That'll work as well.
That would explain some of sonic cd, that chart.
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Amy gets around, doesn't she?
Yeah and don't forget this "Dexter" person in Chronicles...
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Yeah and don't forget this "Dexter" person in Chronicles...
Ten bucks says Dexter is a rabbit!!!!
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Ten bucks says Dexter is a rabbit!!!!
I bet he's a lie Amy is trying to use to make Sonic jealous.
GT, I love the charts and Toby, your pic is pretty funny.
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Like the psycho chick from Goldeneye! =D *watched that yesterday*
