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(@craig-bayfield)
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*Checks the Europe website*

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darthno.ytmnd.com

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(@matt7325)
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Yup. I think that pretty much answers our questions about Streets of Rage.

I have a Japanese friend going back to Japan for a week or two in Ocotber, I might just ask him nicely (or beg him) to get me a copy while he's there.

At this point I'm half-hoping that the UK/Australian version will have the American soundtrack... at least that way, someday along the line I'll actually *have* a reason to get our version...

 
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For people who are confused, you can just buy an Ar because it comes with a built in freeloader. Plus, you can hack with it. XD Anyway, I am excited for this game. I've never played Fighters, Sonic R, the gamegear games, or SOR. Plus there's all of those bonus pictures, movies, and other stuff.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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Is there any form of boot-loading hardware for the PS2? I don't want to have to have a Gamecube just to play the import.

 
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Does anyone know what the extra material for the game would be? I don't mean what the extra games would be, just the extra material, like Mega Collection had Archie Covers, Sonic Firsts, etc?

What I'd be wanting are the covers for every single StC comic, and perhaps to go with the Sonic CD game they've included the Sonic Terminator 5-parter. What do the rest of you think?

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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They've confirmed that the game will feature sound track museum, which includes remixes of the Japanese Sonic CD tracks.

Not sure what else at the moment.

 
(@matt7325)
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I hope that the music remixes are originals, not just music from the Sonic-related CDs released over the years (Sonic Boom, Virtual Sonic, etc.)

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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Is there any form of boot-loading hardware for the PS2? I don't want to have to have a Gamecube just to play the import.


I believe so; lemme find it again...

Okay, here we are.

http://www.modchip.com/ps2/

Look at that "slide card combo". It DOES involve putting something into your PS2 but it looks like it fits in a memory card slot or something, since it promises you won't have to open up the console/void warranty to use it. As for whether it'd work in the UK... well, they ARE listing Euro prices, so maybe?

 
(@Anonymous)
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I really don't want more comic related things in this compilation. I thought putting them in Mega Collection was silly. I'd like to see more official art from the games, preferably the more rare stuff.

 
(@ducttaped32x)
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preferably the more rare stuff.


Agreed. The whole timeline of Sonic was probably my favorite extra in Sonic Jam. If they did something like that, but perhaps with Sega in general instead of Sonic.

I also enjoyed watching the comercials for games from different countries.

What do you guys hope to see in the extras besides games?


 
(@tornadot)
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Exclusive artwork and some rare tunes...

 
(@tsf-metallix)
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Look at that "slide card combo". It DOES involve putting something into your PS2 but it looks like it fits in a memory card slot or something, since it promises you won't have to open up the console/void warranty to use it. As for whether it'd work in the UK... well, they ARE listing Euro prices, so maybe?


I have a slide card.

Basically, you have to take the front off of the disk tray, which is rather easy. (You just need a small screwdriver, and a hairdryer to loosen the plastic a bit)

Then you can use the Swap Magic disk. When the program loads, you use the Slide card by slotting it under the disk tray, and "unlocking" it by sliding it along to the right. You then simply pull the slide card out, which is now caught on a part of the tray and also pulls the tray out. You then take out the Swap Magic disk and replace it with your game and reverse the procedure. (Push tray in, slide the card to the left to "lock" it again) Then you press X and the game will load.

Sounds complicated, but it only takes around 20 seconds to do, and I'm in the UK so it works fine.

 
(@hypersonic2003)
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I definetly want [rare] artwork, tunes, movies, maybe even character profiles. A nicer version of the E3 Sonic Xbox 360 leaked fake not even sure if it's official anymore video, would be nice. *inhales* At the moment thats about all I can think of.

 
(@ducttaped32x)
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An awesome unlockable would be an interview with Yuji Naka, similar to the interview unlocked in the MegaMan Anniversary Collection. Also, along with unlockable movies they should throw in movies from like Burning Rangers (not sure if there were any since I never played it) and Nights just for the heck of it, IMO.

Hopefully there will be a Sonic World type area. I thought the missions in that were a nice change of pace, and throwing in the TVs with game codes was also clever. Sonic World made Sonic Jam unique, so perhaps they could improve upon that feature in SGC.

Anyone agree?


 
(@swifthom_1722585705)
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It'd be great IF the world from Sonic Jam was an unlockable bonus...

But, as the museum feature isnt likely to be the same, I somehow doubt it :^^

 
(@very-crazy-penguin_1722585704)
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An awesome unlockable would be an interview with Yuji Naka, similar to the interview unlocked in the MegaMan Anniversary Collection.


Why should this be an unlockable? It should be a standard extra. And Naka is one of the last people I'd want to see an interview with. He's done so many over the years and isn't as hands on as he used to be. Let's see interviews with the likes of Kazuyuki Hoshino, Jun Senoue, Yuji Uekawa. And then some even lesser known guys too, even those who don't work for Sega any more. They're the guys who'll give us interviews that are actually informative and shed new lights on the creative process.

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Also, along with unlockable movies they should throw in movies from like Burning Rangers (not sure if there were any since I never played it) and Nights just for the heck of it, IMO.


Nobody seems to be able to emulate the Saturn properly.

NiGHTS deserves its own release. It's a masterpiece. It shouldn't even have any sidelines on its own re-release (except for Christmas NiGHTS), never mind be a sideline for some other collection.

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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Nobody seems to be able to emulate the Saturn properly.





Say that again. I dare you. Hell, my SIG is from a screen cap of linked Saturn emulator, albeit obviously modified to have Contra characters in it.

 
(@psxphile_1722027877)
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Nobody with CPU power below P4 3.0 Gig seems to be able to emulate the Saturn properly at this time.


10-15 fps is NOT proper, by any stretch of the word.

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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Frankly, 3 gig P4s should be cheap enough now I'm surprised more people don't have them.

 
(@Anonymous)
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Whenever I emulate Sonic Jam, Sonic World's ground is all white... o.o

I feel unspecial.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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My 2.2gig Celeron feels inadequate and thinks you're a big bully, Hog!

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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You're using Cassinni/Giri Giri. I linked SSF. Apples. Oranges. Get the picture?

 
(@psxphile_1722027877)
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Now what?

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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Juggle.

 
(@very-crazy-penguin_1722585704)
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That emulator won't even start up for me. And as Psx said, if it doesn't run full frame rate then it's not running properly. Whatever the case it's even harder to emulate Saturn on today's consoles than it is a PC. Sega have tried, but with on success thus far.

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Frankly, 3 gig P4s should be cheap enough now I'm surprised more people don't have them.


Get a job and try saving for one before it becomes obsolete. Maybe pay for all of your own expenses as well. Then you'll see why more people don't have them.

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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So, what, is the thing just crashing before you even open it, or are you just having trouble starting games in it? You need the actual CD, or use Virtual Daemon on it. And I've seen several people claim to get it at full-speed, so I do say it's working properly enough.

As for the job, well, I'll need a JOB first. I HAVE been wanting to ditch this computer for something better, but I can't seem to get hired.

 
(@very-crazy-penguin_1722585704)
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So, what, is the thing just crashing before you even open it


It just comes up with a small pop-up that says "Message: SSE2", then a tiny bit of garbled text. Clicking OK or the X just closes the whole thing.

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As for the job, well, I'll need a JOB first.


o.o Which is why I said "get a job".

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I HAVE been wanting to ditch this computer for something better, but I can't seem to get hired.


And that's one of the reasons why "more people don't have them" despite how "cheap" (lol) they may be.

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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There is no SSE2.


Translation according to the English message pack that's in the "Messages" folder. You have a BIOS set up or do you even get that far?

And yeah, a whole new computer isn't cheap, fine, you have me there. But the processors themselves are (I consider $100 cheap for a processor, 'kay), so when people buy new computers, opting for the procs in question should be cheap. THAT'S what I meant. So, if you have enough money for a new computer but don't bother going for the better processor, well, not my problem. The Saturn always WAS a processing powerhouse (in the sense that it has an awful lot of processors to process with), so I really don't think it's POSSIBLE to emulate it full speed on anything less than a 3GHz P4/3000+ Athlon (or higher?).

 
(@matt7325)
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IGN seems to be confirming that the European PS2 release contains Streets of Rage and no Vectorman, while the Gamecube version has Vectorman but no Streets of Rage. This is getting beyond the joke - would it have killed Sega just to keep everything the same everywhere?

I've also heard some rumours on GameFAQs that the Japanese Sonic CD has the US music on it, although that may be just because some people think "You Can Do Anything" is an American song.

 
(@Anonymous)
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I've already pre-ordered my import of Sonic Gems. If the USA music is on that instead of the real stuff (which it definately should not be) I'm murdering Earth.

 
(@ducttaped32x)
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I don't have the money for an imported copy and an AR, so I'm settling for the $30 US version for now, which will be in my hands TUESDAY!!! :spin I hope to eventually get the imported version though, because SOR is totally worth it.

:spin FOUR DAYS!!:spin


 
(@rob-the-fox_1722585680)
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I can confirm that the Japanese version of Gems has the USA soundtrack for Sonic CD. A person I know has it and has been searching around the ISO, he's found Sonic 1,2,3,K and 3D Blast hidden in there as well.

 
(@john-taylor_1722027898)
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so for the UK Sonic Gems:
PS2 has Streets of Rage Tilogy
Gamecube has Vectorman 1 and 2
This is a hard one. especially the fact the mum has my gamecube in a different county at the moment.
sarcasm doesnt work.
So this is the games list I gather
Sonic CD
Sonic the Fighters
Sonic R (PC Version?)
Game Gear Sonics that wasnt on Mega Collection Plus
Streets Of Rage 1,2,3 (PS2 Only)
Vectorman 1, 2 (GC Only)
and more little secrets
hmmmm
No Chaotix or Sega Sonic Arcade.
Well heres hoping for Sonic Mega Gems Collection DX

 
(@very-crazy-penguin_1722585704)
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Here's the IGN quote:

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Interestingly, Sega recently revealed that the PS2 version of Sonic Gems Collection, which will only be released overseas, would feature all three iterations of the classic Streets of Rage series. The decision to replace Streets of Rage with Vectorman on GameCube was made in order to maintain the version's E for Everyone rating.


This sounds like IGN misinterpreting what Sega said, just like the last time some game site said that the Vectorman games were "replacements" for the US version of the compilation.

 
(@craig-bayfield)
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GOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAL LAAAZIIIOOO!!!!!

*Thrusts shirt over head and runs around with arms spread out*

Not even the soundtrack to Sonic CD could ruin this victory!

 
(@ducttaped32x)
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Yes, Sega does indeed hate America. Good thing SGC is E rated, so that my 5 year old step brother can play it without wanting to beat up people afterwards.:annoyed


 
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A person I know has it and has been searching around the ISO, he's found Sonic 1,2,3,K and 3D Blast hidden in there as well.


Does that mean he found the music inside the ISO or that when you play Sonic CD, it has the USA music instead of japanese?

 
(@tsf-metallix)
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Apparently both the US and JP music are on the disc, so I reckon some cheatcodes will become available within the next few days to fix them.

Ah well, American music doesn't REALLY bother me anyway, sure, it's inferior, but I have the European version of Sonic CD anyway so this'll be my "Alternate" version. :) I was only importing for Bare Knuckle 3 anyway.

 
(@swifthom_1722585705)
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Not even the soundtrack to Sonic CD could ruin this victory!


Any word on wether the UK Sonic Gems will have which soundtrack? If you just answered sorry but I didnt understand a single word of the last 2 posts :(

 
(@rob-the-fox_1722585680)
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He said that the game has harder special stages than the original and that it uses the US soundtrack.

 
(@swifthom_1722585705)
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Why Harder special stages?????

 
(@hyper-sonic-warrior)
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Pix.

I persoinally find this whole thing absolutely hilarious. No Jpn soundtrack? Harder special stages? Screwing thier native fanbase over aswell as their overseas fanbases? OLIOLIOLIOOO.

"WHAT IS THIS INFERIOR AMERICAN MANUAL DOING IN MY GAME Exciting stuff." Hahaha.

 
(@very-crazy-penguin_1722585704)
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They said that both versions of the soundtrack are on the disc, not that the Japanese soundtrack is absent from the disc.

boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs...c=22850212

It sounds like the disc may be able to detect what region version of console you're playing on. God @#%$ damnit Sega.

 
(@rob-the-fox_1722585680)
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Oh... this gives me more hope with the European version, the Sonic CD there had the Japanese soundtrack. And even in the end, it's just a soundtrack so it won't make much difference in how I play the game.

 
(@john-taylor_1722027898)
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They said that both versions of the soundtrack are on the disc, not that the Japanese soundtrack is absent from the disc.


Why cant you just pick the soundtrack just before Sonic CD loads! That would be sensible.

PARADY TIME!! (because i'm a bit bored)
Sonic Mega Gems Collection DX Directors Cut Superb Edtion
Sonic 1 With Spin Dash
Sega Sonic Arcade
Knuckles Chaotix
Sonic 3D Blast (Saturn Version)
Sonic Shuffle
Sonic Extreme (Special Sonic Team Japan Edition where you will genuinly get motion sickness)

 
(@koosh-koosh)
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As far as I can see, this whole Sonic CD music debacle is a repeat of the Sonic Heroes voice track scenario. For those of you who don't know, Sonic Heroes had a rather odd audio voice/in-game text set up on the three consoles it was released on. Some having the Japanese/English version of the tracks, some not, depending on the region of the game and what console you played it on.

Gamecube - Only had the voice files/text designated to that region. So, say you bought the Japanese version of Sonic Heroes and used a Freeloader to play it on your US Gamecube. It would only play the Japanese voices and have the Japanese in-game text, because that was all that was on the dinky disc. I'm sure some of the hacking people have done some tinkering in regards to this, and can back me up on it.

Playstation 2 - Had both sets of voice files, but only played the voice files for the region that the Playstation 2 was assigned to. So, say you chipped your PS2 and played the Japanese Sonic Heroes on your US PS2. Regardless of the chip, it would still use the English set of voices/in-game text, because the disc would be able to detect you using it on a US system. If you played it on a Japanese system, the Japanese voices would play. And, if you had a US game and played in on a Japanese console, it would play the Japanese voices, regardless.

Xbox - Had both sets of voice files, both accessible if you swapped around the bios langauge options. So, for this console, you could buy ANY region of the game, and set the bios langauge options on "Japanese", you could play the Japanese of the game with the Japanese voices/text. Change the bios back to English, and you have English voices/text. Definitely the more agreeable, and why I'm quite sad that Gems Collection isn't getting an Xbox release.

Now, I'm almost utterly convinced that the same is true of Sonic Gems Collection. I haven't seen anyone with a Gamecube version of the game, reporting that only the Nilsen soundtrack is available, but I'm sure the first person to get it, will probably back up my claim. They will receive Japanese text and the original score for Sonic CD, because that's all that's on there. Just like Sonic Heroes.

 
(@hypersonic2003)
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Welcome Koosh Koosh. Hope you enjoy your stay. Glad you stopped by. As for this soundtrack stuff, I'm not even sure whats going on, but it seems pretty dumb. Almost as if Sega doesn't want the Japanese soundtrack, available. I don't see why they can't just put it on all versions. Seriously...why can't they be friendly? =)

 
(@koosh-koosh)
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Thanks for the welcome. I've been a long time lurker, due to the fact that I don't really enjoy using ezboard.

However, I do have an update on my theory. The update being that I have been informed by a realiable source (G. Silver from the GHZ) that the Japanese soundtrack plays on the Japanese Gamecube version on (presumeably) a US Gamecube.

Hot diggity damn.

 
(@shadow-hog_1722585725)
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What about SoR? Is that PS2 exclusive? Since, if it is, I might just wait until I have a PS2...

 
(@silenthill4vid)
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Thanks Koosh Koosh, I'm eager to hear more. I'm about to go crazy wondering if the game will stay in JPN mode while playing on an American Cube with the freeloader. I want that JPN soundtrack for Sonic CD so badly. Please post more info soon!

 
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