I suppose so, it really could go either way.
Also, looking into things, the Team Dark Sonic this machine, looking into the lyrics a bit here but:
it refers to being trapped in a machine, could this apply to Shadow?
As he said in Egg Fleet, even if he's not real, he's still Shadow the ultimate life form regardless. So I think, this IS Shadow, but it IS a robot regardless. How he got like that is beyond me, but it isn't just an ordinary clone/robot.
Well, it's interesting anyway. I'll have Metal Overlord unlocked soon so I can say more then...
Just completed Sonic Heroes last night and I'm pretty dang suprised that Sega could rape their fans in this way. Promising Metal Sonic and delivering for 15 seconds of poor FMV before he turns into the near obligitory giant creature that is all talk no action. I was so geared up for a race with him as I've had many wet-dreams of since Sonic CD.
Either way he had a cool voice and revealed something the entire Sonic community seems to have been in doubt of since day 1. Aside from "Robotic/Silver Sonic" all of the Metal Sonic's are indeed the same robot (seeings as he was babbling about "I've always fought you and could never beat you, but now I have changed my body with my own hands" which indicates more than the Sonic CD race. IE. Sky Sancturary, Chaotix and Sonic R if that counts)
I'm interested in seeing what Omega and Metal will do. Omega would be a complete hypocrite to let Metal live, afterall he is peeved with Eggman for not using him, however we can assume that since SA2 Eggman hasn't been doing anything.
I have to say on THAT edge I'm impressed. When I finished SA2 I was wondering how Eggman would switch from good to evil again. This game delivers quite convincingly, he still tries to help and prevent Metal taking over the world (which he intended to destroy all living life... well he wanted all living life to bow before it's master, but also wanted to rule a metal world)
As for Team Chaotix, well I'm SORELY disappointed with the "twist" as I worked out it was Eggman straight away and by about Casino Carnival I had guessed Metal was posing as Robotnik all along.
Team Dark's plot revelation would have been better HAD the ending not been leaked onto the net (it was in the demo aswell, right?) and of course Shadow not seen the robot version of himself.
I'm not sure wether the Shadow we see is real or not. As stated Omega saw him as a robot and attacked. However he did say to Rouge "You never change, do you?" yet he doesn't know who she is.
I loved the CGI when Shadow said "It'll be a date to die for" the sheer smugness in his face (not to mention the "come hither" look) was pretty dang awesome, possibly the only true show of emotion in those scenes other than the obligitory "Swing arms back and bark in shock" which Knuckles was addicted to in SA2.
Team Rose and Team Sonic left NOTHING whatsoever to be considered cut-scene wise. Amy is a psychotic stalker again. Sonic is "OMG! SAEYV TEH WYRLD!" dude again.
It's a shame that they brought up alot of things in the game and never explained. Such as Tails saying "I wonder why Eggman put a self-destruct device in" usually when questions are stated outloud you expect an answer.
It's not ALL lost though. Amy's nostalgia talk was really good and made Team Rose's missions more enjoyable. Nothing makes a game more enjoyable than having the characters refer to SA1 every 20 seconds 
Still, yes, I despised the game's lack of storyline. I feel really really used by Sega. Perhaps if they hadn't wasted all their time and cash on the flashy CGI sequences they could have actually made a cut scene that lasted more than 30 seconds and had some STORY in it. I mean all those "pre-level" scenes... Why waste them with "Here we are in the city. We have to get Eggman!" I have eyes and only a dimwit wouldn't know why they were there. Why not have them discuss something worthwhile. Like perhaps have Amy or Sonic care that Shadow is alive and well. I know Knuckles and Tails discussed it for the best of 5 seconds, but it's not enough for me. Sonic seemed more shocked in Battle where he knew full well that Shadow was alive.
All in all I am majorly disappointed. I swear I shall never avoid spoilers again.
<Waits to see if Sonic X will adapt this and more importantly IF THEY'LL SHOW METAL SONIC FOR MORE THAN 5 MEASLY SECONDS!!!!>
Yeah, Craig, I agree with you. I would have much preffered to have fought the original Metal Sonic (Overlord) instead of Metal Madness. I mean, the original is much betterer than that freaky thing, which was not only a dissapointment difficulty wise, but also story and character wise. I think that perhaps in a future game, Metal should somehow escape Omega, whatever he plans to do with him, and regain his upgraded status of Overlord. That way they could expand on Metal, possibly one of the coolest enemies from the Sonic Universe, along the ranks of Shadow.
Also, I would agree that the fmv's for Last should be longer, and perhaps they could get rid of some of the second challenge missions, as the later ones are annoying and not fun, IMO. You hear us, Sega? Give Metal Sonic more credit! 
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There's no hard proof that the Shadow in the games was genetically created.
What we do know is that Project Shadow produced something which was genetically created, but that could of simply just been the Biolizard, and that only.
Shadow could of been created a different way if Gerald decided to undertake a different method of creating the ultimate lifeform, after seeing the results of how the Biolizard turned out
Er, well no Robot's been able to harness the power of the Chaos Emeralds, in the current storyline. Atleast, I can't think of any, that have used all 7's inner strength. (Only Perfect Chaos, Super Sonic, and Super Shadow have, thus far maybe the Biolizard too)So I assume he was genetically created, that and no robot has acctually shown the kind of emotions that Shadow has. =
*SHrug* No hard-core proof though.
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Er, well no Robot's been able to harness the power of the Chaos Emeralds, in the current storyline.
Which is why Eggman's Big-[you know what]-Mech at the end of S3&K's Death Egg Zone was shooting huge laser beams at Sonic & Tails?
That was the Master Emerald o_O;;. And I said *CURRENT*... which means the Adventure Series, Heroes, and Battle to me. =. Alot of things have been contradicted from S3&K anyway. The Master Emerald is obviously alot weaker in SA, and beyond. Seeing Eggman no longer tries to steal it. *Shrug*
I'd always figured they shared the same energies.
Actually, Eggman DID try to steal the Master Emerald. 'Twas why Knux broke it in SA2, remember.
I know, but he didn't really go to as great lengths to retrieve it,as he did in S3&K, it was just co-incidence. ^_^
And I believe the Master Emerald and the Chaos Emerald's energies, are actually opposite =. Not the same. And that's why the Master Emerald cancels out the Chaos Emeralds. =)
So...
Master Emerald= Negative Energy
Chaos Emeralds= Positive Energy
...I suppose.
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So I think, this IS Shadow, but it IS a robot regardless. How he got like that is beyond me, but it isn't just an ordinary clone/robot.
You know I suppose it's possible that Eggman salvaged what was left of Shadow's body after the fall, including his brain (the amnesia could be there through any numbers of means, but stuff does seem to be coming back to him), and then returned it to functionality through the use of his extensive knowledge on robotics, kind of like a cyborg. Thus restoring Shadow pretty much to his former glory, just using both organic and robotic parts.
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Yeah, Craig, I agree with you. I would have much preffered to have fought the original Metal Sonic (Overlord) instead of Metal Madness.
Yeah, I felt the same way too. They should of kept Metal Madness I think, but also had a fight with Metal Sonic before-hand, kinda like the Biolizard and then the Final Hazard in SA2. I know it'd be reusing plot, but it'd of been better gameplay wise.
Likewise, I think there should of been some sort of stage before hand for the other three teams to get through, like Cannon's Core in SA2. Team Sonic could of then fought Metal Sonic, and Team Super could of then fought Metal Madness, perhaps with the other 3 team's parts still there.
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When I finished SA2 I was wondering how Eggman would switch from good to evil again.
You've probably been told this many many times, but Eggman didn't turn good. He's just simply not as evil as some things or people would have us think. He doesn't want an end to the world, he just simply wants it to be for himself - Romanticist? Feminist? Come on...he doesn't sound that evil. He's just crazy, hence the title Mad Scientist. Just like he says in Sonic Battle at the end "Don't destroy the world! I can't control it if you destroy it!".
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and perhaps they could get rid of some of the second challenge missions, as the later ones are annoying and not fun, IMO
Yeah, I've done most of them now, although it seems next to impossible to get A's with Team Dark's, as there's usually not enough enemies per stage, and if there is there too few and far between.
Also, I'm having difficuly getting Rail Canyon done in the the 5 minutes with Team Sonic and Team Chaotix. Those dudes just don't grind fast enough (yes I know how to use the acceleration)!
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Er, well no Robot's been able to harness the power of the Chaos Emeralds, in the current storyline. Atleast,
You obviously haven't played Sonic Adventure, or Sonic Adventure DX then.
Can you say Tornado II?
It was powered by a Chaos Emerald.
It's not a robot, but it is a machine.
Whether it's a robot or a vehicle is pretty irrelevant, seems as they're both machines.
I said...
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Atleast, I can't think of any, that have used all 7's inner strength.
Right after that. = Which is what I truly meant.
As far as Shadow goes, I don't personally think it's all that important whether it's the real Shadow or not. He seems to be pretty much the same as before either way, and as he says in SA2:
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"Even if my memories are not real it's still me... Shadow..."
and in Heroes:
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"Even if I'm not real, I'm still the ultimate life form, Shadow the Hedgehog!"
And about robots using the Emeralds' power... what about Emerl?
I've never played Battle, so I suppose if Emerl has used the Chaos Emerald's power then I'm completely wrong. @_@
Another point though.
"Shadow, the ultimate LIFEform" Not the ultimate ROBOT. *Shrug*
Emerl is a robot, but also known as the ultimate life form... strange, I know...
Personally I think (like was mentioned above) that Shadow in Heroes and Battle is part organic, part robot. If it is the real Shadow I don't think his whole body would have survived the fall from space.
He was one of the prototypes for the Ultimate Lifeform? I don't think he's THE ultimate Lifeform As that status belongs to Shadow, or the Biolizard. More-so Shadow as he acctually uses the full Power of the Chaos Emeralds, while the Biolizard... does not. E_E
Emerl was an ultimate life form created by an ancient culture. And he seems sort of... more ultimate than Shadow, since he can do absolutely everything every other character can. Shadow seemed to see Emerl as a threat in Sonic Battle. 🙂
Well that's probably because Emerl was designed for the purpose of destruction by that ancient civillisation. Shadow was created as a wussy wimp with the spirit of a little girl to do absoloutely nothing if humanity ever called upon him to fight 
And then, Emerl was given the soul of the wussy whimp. So, all is right with the world.
Anyway, I am not sure what happened to shadow, or if the real shadow is still alive or not. I think it's possible that our current Shadow is a cyborg version of the real one. This is what I think might have happened.
After the fall in SA2, Shadow basically burned up on reentry to the atmosphere. He died, and his body was mangled. Eggman still wanted to use Shadow for his own purposes. So, he experimented with Shadow. Shadow was an organically created artificial lifeform, so, just as he was "brought to life" artificially before, Eggman did the sme again. however, organics ain't Eggman's thing: Robotics are. He fixed up Shadow and brought him to life. This new Shadow had no memories of his previous life. Or, he wouldn't have any, once he was awakened. Eggman went a little crazy with this project, creating a couple hundred copies of Shadow.
Then, Metal Sonic took over and locked up Eggman, and kept this extra Shadows on his flying fortress. he did not know that the original Shadow was still in Eggman's ground base. Rouge rescued this Shadow, who had no memories. If you've played Heroes, you know the story.
Now, somewhere between Heores and Battle, Shadow regained his memory. How did this happen? Well, as far as I can tell, this is explained in Battle. The opening scene of the Shadow episode. The arrival of Emerl brings back his memory.
The part explaining Heroes is just one explanation. I won't defend it or anything, because I don't claim to really know. But the part about Shadow in Battle-- I think that's really what happened.
Hmm... I dunno. Rouge seems to explain everything to Shadow and when he says "a tragedy like before" he can't remember. But I say that his dreams, clearly of Maria, indicate that he is, indeed, the true Shadow.
That said it doesn't make much difference. The majority of people forget that Shadow is a creation, so the only thing that seperates a new Shadow from the old one is that he wont be saying "Urgh... Maria..." every 20 seconds, or in Sonic X, seeing EVERYONE as Maria 😀
Still, the clencher is this. Do we know that Shadow from Sonic Battle is the same Shadow as Heroes? Answer: We can't.
The only thing we know for sure is that this Shadow was weakened to the point he was defeated by a guard robo and then had to recover at Club Rouge. Now, call me hasty, but the Shadow from Heroes didn't seem to be weak. Perhaps one that fell from the atmosphere might be...
Either way, I say we wait for an answer and then rant endlessly when none is given.
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After the fall in SA2, Shadow basically burned up on reentry to the atmosphere. He died, and his body was mangled. Eggman still wanted to use Shadow for his own purposes. So, he experimented with Shadow. Shadow was an organically created artificial lifeform, so, just as he was "brought to life" artificially before, Eggman did the sme again. however, organics ain't Eggman's thing: Robotics are. He fixed up Shadow and brought him to life.
Huh...you know, that's funny, I could of sworn I said pretty much the same thing in this topic a few posts back - on this very page infact! 
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And about robots using the Emeralds' power... what about Emerl
You know, your right! I didn't even think of Emerl.
Plus, Emerl had the ability to harness the power of all 7 Chaos Emeralds.
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"Shadow, the ultimate LIFEform" Not the ultimate ROBOT.
You don't have to be organic to be a lifeform.
As the tag implies, you just have to be alive, and sentient.
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Emerl was an ultimate life form created by an ancient culture.
Emerl was labelled "The Ultimate Weapon" by Gerald. So it's probably easier to think of Shadow as the ultimate lifeform, and Emerl as the ultimate weapon.
Yup, Gerald said himself in one of his documents at the end of Sonic Battle.
"The ultimate Lifeform and the Ultimate Weapon, both are equipped with hearts"
Or something like that.
Hey look Im a n00b
That outta way heres my two cents
I believe tht Shadow is the real deal, he could of survived the fall from space, he was in his super form when he re-entered the atmosphere and he could of survived crashing aswell, I mean come on, he is the 'ultimate' lifeform 
As true as that is, I think the fact that he has no memory, Omega identified him as a clone/robot and that Rouge seemed to know aswell indicates that the Heroes one IS a fake. But as Omega said "The original must exist somewhere"
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Omega identified him as a clone/robot
No he didn't.Unless I missed something Omega never said this.
True, he could have been reffering to Shadow (being the one you can play as in heroes) as the original one.
But the way he said it makes us think that Shadow (heroes) isn't the Original...but then again, that's what SEGA want us to think!
I might be a newbie, but I have to be heard!
Firstly, going way back to the whole Metal Sonic thing. Someone, don't remember who (no offence Syrockoo) asked how did Metal Sonic become the way he was, hatin' Eggman. Well, during the final fight, as Super Sonic, He says something along the line of, I reformed my own body for the purpsoe of destroying you (to Sonic of course). The only reason he hates Eggman is, I presume, due to the fact that he was left lying dorment, unused, for over 5 years. Maybe even a decade.
Also, intreging theories about the enigma that is Shadow. Firstly, the whole Omega scanning stuff, says he is a robot. But personnaly, that Shaodow in SH has to be the real one. Shadow being isolated. The subtle deja vous like experiances. Also, did anyone else notice that little smug look on Rouge's face when Omega said, "the real one must exist somewhere"? She knows something that WE don't. Then Shadow saying to Rouge, "Some things never change" after she announce that she'd go after the Master Emerald again. Think about it.
Rouge did get a glimpse of the Files for the Ultimate Lifeform, she's possibly the one who holds the key to Shadow's fate. =
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No he didn't.Unless I missed something Omega never said this.
That's because Omega never actually said it.
However, in Team Dark's intro sequence, when Omega scans the room, Rouge appears to show up green, whereas Shadow shows up red.
This would suggest that he isn't an organic lifeform like Rouge is.
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The only reason he hates Eggman is, I presume, due to the fact that he was left lying dorment, unused, for over 5 years. Maybe even a decade.
No, I don't think so.
I suppose it could be, but I find it very unlikely.
That would have to make Sonic about 25 years old in Heroes, and according to the Sonic Heroes manual, Sonic is still only 15, making this not a possibility.
Let me explain. During the whole Team Dark story, Eggman was trying to psyche Shadow out by tricking him into thinking he was a robot, and he was shown some evidence at one point. (hence Egg Albatros) When Rouge dicovers the Shadow clones, Omega states that the original has to exist in odered to make the clones, meaning that Eggman captured Shadow and used his DNA to create the robots.
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That's because Omega never actually said it.
However, in Team Dark's intro sequence, when Omega scans the room, Rouge appears to show up green, whereas Shadow shows up red.
Shadow shows up in red, but Rouge only gets a green target marker around her - two different things. Rewatch it and you'll see what I mean. Overall pretty insufficient evidece.
However, Omega says "Must eradicate all Eggman's robots" whilst attacking Shadow in the intro, to which Rouge responds "Huh?". THAT can be taken as evidence.
Uh, yeah. Omega though that both Shadow AND Rouge were Eggman's robots. Rouge said "Huh" becuase she wondered why Omega tought they were robots.
If that were the case then Omega would've attacked Rouge also.
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Shadow shows up in red, but Rouge only gets a green target marker around her - two different things. Rewatch it and you'll see what I mean.
Yeah, I know, checked it again just after I made the original post. But, it was a generalisation.
Well, if Shadow from Heroes IS a clone, then he must be the first clone, being in a room to himself and all.
Omega instantly identifies him as a robot, and he didn't attack Rouge, he was just blindly firing in Shadow's direction, not to mention he was angry for being sealed away.
So...simplify it, Omega thinks that Shadow is a robot.
Rouge either
a. Also thinks that Shadow is a robot clone
b. Knows he's the real one but is trying to trick omega
c. Knows he's a robot and also knows where the real Shadow is.
Eggman probably knows, but he won't tell, not if it means he can REALLY freak Shadow out by telling him that he's a clone, even if he is, he still wouldn't like to be told.
My answer is this...why don't they just cut Shadow a bit and find out!?
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If that were the case then Omega would've attacked Rouge also.
He did attack Rouge, Shadow knocked her out of the way. He was firing randomly at them both. he just saw Shadow as more of a threat.
And, if the Heroes Shadow was a robot, then Metal Sonic wouldn't go through the hassle of fighting Team Dark with Egg Albatros when he could simply walk into the room with all the clones and copy to his heart's content.
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And, if the Heroes Shadow was a robot,
It is. Or at least part of him is.
This is prooven in Sonic Battle.
What the real question is, is whether this is the same Shadow that was in SA2 or not.
No, it's not proven in Sonic Battle. It's not even mentioned!
What are you talking about? That isn't even mentioned in Sonic Battle!
Please use the edit button rather than double posting. Thank you.
I keep getting these stupid error messages, so I was under the impression that the first one didn't go through.
perhaps, he's referring to the electrical sounds shadow makes in the cutscenes in battle when he's hurt (like at the beginning of his level, after the first battle).
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And, if the Heroes Shadow was a robot, then Metal Sonic wouldn't go through the hassle of fighting Team Dark with Egg Albatros when he could simply walk into the room with all the clones and copy to his heart's content.
Yeah...that is true...I didn't think about that, I guess that does explain a lot.
I mean, Rouge and Omegas opinions are simply opinions, what Metal Sonic did sort of proves that Shadow's the real one....in a way, but I'm probably wrong...
I've noticed in the opening cut-scene for Team Dark a weird mechanical sounds plays the moment Shadow opens his eyes. Could it be a program running inside of him, or is it Omega's guns starting up?
I guess it was Omega.
I sure do hope so. Y'know, I really want this Shadow to be the real one. But this whole mystery is pretty fun ^___^
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perhaps, he's referring to the electrical sounds shadow makes in the cutscenes in battle when he's hurt (like at the beginning of his level, after the first battle).
Yeah, your indeed correct Erika Ocelot 
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That's the strongest proof there is that something about the Shadow is robotic.
The other thing worth mentioning, although not quite as hard proof, is the way Rouge talks to Shadow in the game. The vocabularly she uses would suggest Shadow has something mechanical/robotic about him.
I'm not saying Shadow is entirely robotic, but through Sonic Battle, it's pretty hard to deny that there's at least something robotic about the Shadow in Heroes/Battle.
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perhaps, he's referring to the electrical sounds shadow makes in the cutscenes in battle when he's hurt (like at the beginning of his level, after the first battle).
Eggman and Knuckles make that sound too.So by that logic Eggman and Knux are robots.The electrical sound just means that they're getting hurt by something mechanical like Guard Robo.
no the electric sounds was when Eggman Paralysed them with something. i forget what now
Perhaps, in order to keep Shadow alive, Eggman had to give him some cybernetic enchancements.
That way, Rouge and Omega could mistake him for a Robot, but he could also be the real deal!
People, please remember that you guys speak of a Game Boy Advanced game, meaning that sounds are crappy. I remember playing Game Boy Color, and the same kind of mechanical sound was played when characters were getting healed or when they woke up.
