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Eggman and Knuckles make that sound too.
With Knuckles it wasn't him, it was the trap he was caught in.
I can't ever remember hearing it with Eggman, but it was probably when he was accessing a computer terminal or something if it did happen.
With Shadow, there was nothing else to make the sound, except for him himself. Sometimes Shadow malfunctioning wasn't even caused by any real provocation, at the time, it just happenend.
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I remember playing Game Boy Color, and the same kind of mechanical sound was played when characters were getting healed or when they woke up.
The Gameboy Colour is far less advanced than the Gameboy Advance.
They had plenty of sounds they could of used in the game already for Shadow getting harmed, such as the voice sound effects used in a battle, and they didn't use them, they chose that one specifically.
If you recall, Eggman was caught in his own trap by Emerl and Cream.
"Rodent Be Gone", I believe he called it. It makes electric-cy like sounds when one's caught in it.
Whatever it is. Though I suspect it's some kind of floor energy trap.
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If you recall, Eggman was caught in his own trap by Emerl and Cream.
"Rodent Be Gone", I believe he called it. It makes electric-cy like sounds when one's caught in it.
Whatever it is. Though I suspect it's some kind of floor energy trap.
If I'm not mistaken either, it also appears somewhere in the Knuckles episode as well.
Shadow was hurt by a Guard Robo, which have electrical attacks. I think that's what they were getting at.
In Sonic Battle at the end,Gerald said he gave both Shadow and Emerl "hearts."
I agree, that has to really be stupid man.
OK, I am going to check if I did something correctly.
Think for a second. In SA2 Tails made a fake chaos emerald when they used chaos control on the Biolizard shadow could have gotten the green chaos emerald because they could have used the fake yellow one which explains why shadow starts off with a chaos emerald. Then when he returned to earth Eggman found him and put him in the capsule and cloned him so he can conquer the world(thats why he was alone in the room, and omega was locked up beacsue he was out of control and whenn eggman said "so your omega" after you beat the game you could see that it was a clue because eggman made omega) but then metal sonic locked him away before he could have finished.
Then Rouge found him when omega wakes up shadow is red because he is probably in stasis and unconscious while Rouge has a green marker around her which could be a target marker then omega wouldn't see or shoot at her started shooting Shadow moved Rouge out the way so when omega saw shadow moving around he probably thought shadow was more of a threat.
Shadow could have lost his memory because of Eggman doing experiments because he could have put shadows memory in the clones.As for the sound affects when shadow opens his eyes could have been by omega shotting or the capsule opening. And in the song it says "You could have left me here (which is talking about Rouge finding Shadow) stuck in the pod and no one else would know the chaos control" there could be other clues just listen for them.
One of the main facts is that only Shadow and Sonic can do the chaos control so the shadow in Heroes has to be the real one because he uses Chaos Control. When they beat Egg Albatross (which was Metal Sonic in it not eggman) the robot could have been there so Shadow would be there long enough to copy his data.
And the electric sounds in Battle could have been by Chaos Gamma doing electric attacks and when Rouge said he was injured anyone could be injured he could have had broken ribs people would call that a injury (injured).
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One of the main facts is that only Shadow and Sonic can do the chaos control so the shadow in Heroes has to be the real one because he uses Chaos Control.
No, because Metal Sonic can also use Chaos Control once he had Shadow's DNA, and he's a robot, so what's to say that Shadow's robotic body also hadn't been implanted with Shadow DNA using the same technology used to upgrade Metal Sonic to enable Shadow to use Chaos Control?
Then in Sonic Battle Shadow gains the ability to use Chaos Control without a Chaos Emerald. If he's still 100% organic, where does he draw the energy for that from?
If he's robotic, it makes sense that he can now manage that by drawing off whatever power-core he's using.
Sonic's organic, and he can't use Chaos Control without a Chaos Emerald.
The only reason left to not take what Heroes and Battle say about Shadow being a robot at face value, is that it appears he still has his memories, just is having a difficult time recalling them, although he remembers all the major points (saving humanity).
But if Eggman some how found Shadow's body and managed to take his 'heart' (as in soul and spirit and the rest), aswell as his memories, and put them into the new robotic contruct (using his grandfathers technologies), it would still be the same Shadow we all know and love from SA2, but he'd just be using a different body is all.
But the point would still stand that most of Heroes' & Battle's Shadow is a robot.
Biolizard could also use Chaos Control.
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Metal Sonic can also use Chaos Control once he had Shadow's DNA
Let's not forget that he absorbed Sonic's lifeform data as well as Shadow's.
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Then in Sonic Battle Shadow gains the ability to use Chaos Control without a Chaos Emerald. If he's still 100% organic, where does he draw the energy for that from?
He had a Chaos Emerald most of the game. I think we should overlook him being able to use Chaos attacks in those few battles after he gave Emerl his Chaos Emerald (they could hardly strip him of attacks now could the?), just like we're supposed to overlook the fact that he has a Chaos Emerald in Sonic Heroes before you even get to your first Special Stage. 
I recently watched Team Dark's opening movie a few times (English language version) and a computer-like sound is made as Shadow opens his eyes, which was after Omega was activated. Although that may have been coming from the capsule, but the only thing on screen at the time of the sound was Shadow opening his eyes.
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Biolizard could also use Chaos Control.
I forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder 
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Let's not forget that he absorbed Sonic's lifeform data as well as Shadow's.
I actually almost mentioned that, but then decided it wasn't worth editing my post for, thanks for covering for me anyway though! 
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He had a Chaos Emerald most of the game. I think we should overlook him being able to use Chaos attacks in those few battles after he gave Emerl his Chaos Emerald (they could hardly strip him of attacks now could the?), just like we're supposed to overlook the fact that he has a Chaos Emerald in Sonic Heroes before you even get to your first Special Stage.
Yeah, normally I would overlook it, but in Battle him saying he can use Chaos Control without the Chaos Emeralds now was actually part of the game script. He said he doesn't need it anymore because he can feel Maria inside of him, or something like that. I do believe Heroes should be overlooked though.
I think him not needing a Chaos Emerald to use the Chaos Control on Battle was a deliberate storyline move, so whatever game they churn out next, they can have Shadow using Chaos Control always, aswell as 7 Special Stages with Emeralds in them, without confusing people (like us 
) who notice these little abnormalities in the storyline like they had in Heroes with Shadow possessing the Green Chaos Emerald from the offset...but then...still having to recover it from the Special Stage.
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but in Battle him saying he can use Chaos Control without the Chaos Emeralds now was actually part of the game script. He said he doesn't need it anymore because he can feel Maria inside of him, or something like that.
The line about Maria and not needing his Chaos Emerald is there, the one about using Chaos Control isn't.
In fact, I'd venture to say that I don't think Chaos Control was mentioned even once in the game's storyline script. Possibly in the Move descriptions...
You're right...I'm pretty sure it's only said in the script twice. Once with Eggman talking to himself about Shadow and how he wouldn't give his emerald to Emerl. Shadow himself says it when he teleports to Eggman's hideout to seek Emerl. It's definately mentioned in at least two of Shadow's move descriptions, too.
And, now...After playing Battle all the way through around 5 times, and viewing Team Dark's story FMVs about 3 times, I'm confused about Shadow himself. I was convinced that the Shadow in Heroes and Battle was the same one from SA2, but when I heard Omega saying 'so you know about cloning. the original must exist somewhere', he's implying that shadow isn't the original...But he remembers. Takes his time, but he gathers his memories gradually...But you can't clone memories.
I've no idea wether this has been dealt with/settled at all 'cos I've completely stayed out of discussion about Shadow till now, since I was sure he was the original. o@ I guess the original Shadow was a robot...Afterall, you can't clone organic memories, but you can copy digital memories...So I guess Shadow's an uber-advanced adroid thing. Just thougt I'd type that...Only just re-viewed Dark's FMVs a few hours ago, had a little think about it...Or, perhaps, it's just a poorish, plothole-ridden attempt by ST to bring Shadow back in. They could've just had it that Shadow fell, landed on his head when he survived the landing, which made him temp lose his memories...Or perhaps that is what happened...Bah. I'll just stop typing now.
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Metal Sonic can also use Chaos Control once he had Shadow's DNA
Still proves my point because in order to use chaos control he had to copy shadows data he didnt learn it like sonic did.
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Still proves my point because in order to use chaos control he had to copy shadows data he didnt learn it like sonic did.
No it doesn't, because the point you were making is that Shadow must be organic because he can use the Chaos Control.
Well, at least that's the point I thought you were trying to make 
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But it doesn't matter if Metal Sonic copied Shadow's DNA data or not, Metal Sonic is still robotic, therefore prooving that just because Shadow can use Chaos Control doesn't neccessarily mean he's organic.
Hmm, I can see that Shadow has caused quite a lot of contraversy (again!). I have completed SH, and I have this question to ask: What does copying data entail? What could it mean? Did Metal Sonic take DNA samples from each team? I do not believe that this is the case. I think that "copying data" is actually a process of observation. I think Metal scans his opponents, and while they fight him, he analyses their abilities (The exception is Chocola and Froggy, who were immersed in Metal Sonic. This may have been a more extensive scan because of Chaos' unique physiology). This would allow him to copy Omega's data, because Omega is a robot, and therefore, has no DNA, which is a feature exclusive to organic life. But, "What's yer point?" I hear you say. My point is, that Metal Sonic copying Shadow's data cannot be used as evidence to prove or disprove that Shadow is a robot. The fact that Shadow can use Chaos Control is also unable to count as evidence, because we do not know the exact prerequisites for Chaos Control are. We know that some great power source is needed (e.g. a Chaos Emerald), but that is all. If we knew for sure that Chaos Control is strictly accessable to organic life only, then we could say that Shadow must be at least partly organic. But we do not know for sure, so we cannot say. After my long-winded post, my answer to the great Shadow-is-a-robot-slash-clone-slash-cyborg debate is: I don't know.
"Just WHAT am I?" ~Shadow
"I wonder what caused Shadow to lose his memory?" ~Rouge
"Shadow was unleashed as I was. Just who is he?" ~Omega
"The capsules on this base are the same as the ones we found Shadow in." ~Rouge
"That android... it can't be..." ~Shadow
"Shadow, that android must be an alien. Unable to analyze." ~Omega
The wait-in-one-place quotes from Team Dark.
Guess we won't know for sure until the next Sonic Game that isn't Sonic Advance 3, as far as i can tell, Shadow has NOTHING to do with that game.
Yes he does, he patented the CHaos Control .
The what?
Sorry I know nothing about Sonic Advance 3, (apart from what the THQ site has said)
So tell me...what does Chaos Control have to do with anything in SAdv3?
maybe mettle sonic got the transformation from liquid to solid from froggy and the chao because of there relations with chaos?
That's a good point there.
I wonder, why does Metal say "I am the real Sonic!" when he loses? Was he having an identity crisis?
I think Metal Sonic's whole motivation in this game is to be different. He doesn't want to be a mere servent to Eggman anymore, he doesn't want to be a mere copy of Sonic anymore, he wants to stand out & be his own man...er, bot. & of course 1 way to be unique is to destroy the guy your based on!
He has seem to acquire a bit of an ego in the process (must've gotten it copying Eggman or something).
I reckon Metal just went over the deep end, I mean Robotnik, his ever loving father, tells him to kill Sonic, he fails, Eggman gets angry at him, Eggman builds another Metal Sonic to replace him, Metal decides to keep fighting Sonic to win back daddy's respect, does all this in Heroes just to finish Sonic and still fails, all he wants is to have the amount of attention that daddy gives Sonic... poor neglected Metal Sonic *Hugs him*
*Reads Above post*
wow that person was right with the robots with person problems. some one said it in a differnet thread.
Also i dont think that we will ever get Shadow, Rouge and Co in an advance game because Sonic Team probably wants to keep it all separate from the heroes/adventure series. which is annoying because i really liked Shadow in Battle just for the evil STC Style Chaos Energy he was throwing around.
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So tell me...what does Chaos Control have to do with anything in SAdv3?
Didn't Eggman use Chaos Control to split the land into seven pieces? o.o
That was Chaos Control?
How did Eggman get such power...the same way he did in Sonic X maybe?
But, about Sonic Advance 3, have you been on the SAdv3 site? On the japanese Sonic Team site?
It shows a new bad-guy, looks like a Ristar/Emerl hybrid.
Pretty important apparently, like an assasin sent to get Sonic and Co.
The Link
www.sonicteam.com/sonicad...index.html
The picture
It says 'Gmel' on the image link...hmmm
The lovechild of Emerl & Bass!
Now who didn't see that coming?
A dark Gizoid...
I'm kind of interested to see how this turns out...
I was being bored and i saw right after shadow emerl gmerl what ever it was a emerl type figure just watch closly evenually ull see if not beat the game or get 3 ultimate attacks including shadows knockout technique.
Maybe this will hav some clues its team darks song
A shadow of myself: Just who am I?
Scanned horizons. A tragic mystery
You could've left me here,
Sealed inside the pod.
No one would ever know,
The Chaos Control -Control-...
My true identity
The power that is me.
(chorus) We all danced in fire,
Trapped in this machine.
Don't know how long we've waited,
As the Eggmans watching.
We all danced in fire,
Looking through the screen.
Don't know how long we've waited,
As the Eggman watches.
With Rouge in the fight, electric vibes.
Change surroundings.
A jewel in history.
A treasure disappears,
As she goes.
Miss her as we look away,
And no one knows.
This power is a key.
This power changes me!
(chorus)
(Chaos Control...Chaos-Chaos-Chaos-Chaos-Chaos-Chaos Control...)2x
E-123...
You didnt know, now I'm gonna show you,
The power that is me.
You try to take me down; Stop the show.
It seems you've never tasted fear,
Or loss of control.
The power lives in me
The power that is me!
(chorus)
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How did Eggman get such power...the same way he did in Sonic X maybe?
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In regards to this "what is Shadow" topic, remember: the Biolizard - the prototype of the Ultimate Lifeform, was a combination of flesh and machinery. Gerald Robotnik probably found a way to compress all that life-support system into a wee-little hedgehog.
So, I think Shadow is both alive and robotic, though leaning more towards the flesh - he's the best of both worlds. "Immortal: too much robotic to succumb to disease or starvation and far too real and regenerative for the deterioration of old age to even touch him. Immortal."
Anyway, either this Shadow is the rescued real deal (and a tissue source for a clone army, set aside in a private base with a personal E-Series unit for protection) or Eggman has become the grandson of Frankenstien, and learned his granddaddy's secret recipe for Ultimate Lifeforms.
In the old uk comics There was an evil Super Sonic, he wiped a revived Perfect Chaos out in one move by absorbing him, then Sonic finally got control and put his dark side within not before it killed one of his mates Johnny Rabbit, this means chaos exists within Sonic so MS can copy him. This was the final issue but it still said to be continued... SA2 and SH may be this continuation, maybe we'll end up fighting ESS in SH2!
Ummm. No. Just no.
The Sega games have NOTHING to do with the Fleetway comics. Sonic has NEVER been a carrier of Chaos at all during the entirity of the games continuity, only Froggy and the Chao he was protecting have. Metal used them to get Chaos' data.
Also it's Johnny Lightfoot, not Johnny Rabbit
Ah yeah light foot, it's just been so long. It was just an idea, and ESS was pretty cool! Hope he comes back
<I>StC</i> discussion goes in the Special Zone forum.
I have looked at team Dark's storyline a million times...
I tell ya I don't get it. There are 2 possibilities I can see.
1: Shadow is the original, he has lost his memory.
2: This is a prototype clone. (I say prototype 'cause he constantly faints in Sonic Battle) I beleive this one, to be honest.
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Sonic Heroes contains many hints. Read On:
-Ultimate LIFE form? Gee, when were robots Life?
-'SPACE? Did you say... SPACE!?!?!'*cough*maria*cough*
-Oh, not to mention the fact E-123 OMEGA is in the room,
in the shadows not to be noticed.*clik*Yo want summa dis?
-The Emerald. 'nuff said.
-Did anyone mention Super Sonic? no. Shadow mentioned
'Super Powers'.
-'Look, it's that hedgehog.'
Proof? there's more.
2: This is a prototype clone. (I say prototype 'cause he constantly faints in Sonic Battle) I beleive this one, to be honest.
Then how do you explain the fact that Shadow has no memory in Heroes, yet in Battle he fondly remembers Maria and Dr Gerald.
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-Ultimate LIFE form? Gee, when were robots Life?
A lifeform is anything which can act and think for itself.
You don't have to be organic to be a lifeform. Looking at the word itself prooves that 'lifeform', in otherwords, a form, which is alive. If you are there, you have a form. If you are sentient, move, talk and think for yourself, you are alive. Therefore, robot or not, Shadow is a lifeform anyway.
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This is a prototype clone. (I say prototype 'cause he constantly faints in Sonic Battle) I beleive this one, to be honest.
Then how do you explain the fact that Shadow has no memory in Heroes, yet in Battle he fondly remembers Maria and Dr Gerald.
In Sonic Heroes he had only just been awakened/activated, but Sonic Battle is a little while after that, it's possible it just took sometime for him to get his full memory back, or, if the memories were purely implanted into them, for him to know they were there in order to access them.
It's not unusual for somebody to come down with a case of temporary amnesia for whatever reason, in which they slowly start remembering things. There was somebody who used to be in my old school, who was involved in a car crash which gave him a case of amnesia, but he slowly remembered stuff, and after about a year, and the last time I saw him, he was himself again (unfourtunetly, lol).
Hmm, good point on the Life-form thing.
Hey, maybe this IS Shadow... in battle, he remembers
Maria... Battle takes Place after Heroes... Shadow must've
been helped by Rouge and Retained his memory, but there's
still Robotics... hm, Ultimate Life form, hm... HEY!
Shadow, as Super Shadow, could survive the fall. He barely
would, but something would have been hurt. Eggman helped
heal him Quickly but Shadow still had Amniesa- the crash-
so Eggman put him in a seperate Pod and put his own little
E-100 for safe keeps. The Pod gave him his memories, but
he didn't realize so until Post-heroes/Pre-Battle.
Just finished Heroes this week due to being busy with school, work, and such. My comments will be up soon.
EDIT: All righty... doesn't Metal Sonic need a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos control?
What do you guys think Omega and Shadow will do with Metal Sonic after picking him up at the end? My guess is that they'll crack him open to get information or something.
Speaking of Omega, Sonic Team must like him, since I think he's the only playable Robot character that hasn't been killed off at the end of the story. So he'll be back, maybe he'll steal some of Metal Sonic's parts.
It does make sense that he's the original, due to the whole deal with him being in storage alone, him remembering Sonic and space vaguely and such. But I still refuse to take Heroes seriously. The characters are completely off, no one reacts to Shadow's survival in any way whatsoever and well... there isn't much of a story to accept anyway.
Not saying it isn't canon, just that I personally reject it as it adds nothing to the continuity. I prefer going straight to Battle where people at least question "What the hell are you doing here Shadow?!"
Well...it seems that the Shadow in Heroes is the real deal.
After all, Metal Sonic needed Shadow to get the ULF data, think about it, if the Heroes Shadow IS a clone, then metal Sonic could have got the ULF data from ANY of the hundreds of Shadow clones!
But that could mean anything.
Remember, the Shadow clones were all made AFTER the events of SA2, meaning that ALL of them should have SA2 Shadow's memories.
But I personally think that Heroes+Battle Shadow is the real guy, but it's 50/50 if he IS a clone or not.
*Sighs* You know, the next Sonic game that comes out they wont even remember the clones existed!
Sonic Team immediately knew that was their cue to debut their new GBA title, Sonic Battle 2: Attack of the Clones.
Gamma clones, that is. **maniacal laughter**
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What do you guys think Omega and Shadow will do with Metal Sonic after picking him up at the end? My guess is that they'll crack him open to get information or something.
I don't think so. I though that part of the ending was one of the few well done moments of the story-line.
I believe that both Omega and Shadow felt some kind of sympathy toward metal Sonic. Look at they way Omega is cradling him. Remember, Omega is a deranged robot that turned against his master, and Shadow is weapon designed to be the ultimate life-form that has now discovered that, not only is there a chance he might not be as powerful as some other, but there might be hundreds of others exactly like him.
Shadow and Omega, however briefly, seem to feel some kind of fraternity between themselves, and this ambitious, obsolete robot.
.................
On another point, Zack is right. It's fifty/fifty wether Shadow is a Robot in Heroes. There is evidence tword both answers. Battle doesn't pose to much of a problem because:
A) Some one could have easily told him what happened in Sonic Adventure 2 (AKA: Rouge)
B) If Gerald could implant memories in the first-place, maybe Eggman could replace Shadow's.
C) Shadow did some research himself. He seems to personally remember some events, but it's a common fact the the memory is easily tricked. If you are told you went to Disney as a child, after enough times, you'll start remembering it, even if you didn't.
D) Someone pointed this out a while ago, and it's a good thought. Perhaps the Shadow in Battle is not the same as the Shadow in Heroes.
It's fine to think of him either way, but it's important to remember that from a narrative point of view, Shadow would be a very boring character is he never remembered anything from his first starring role.
I think Omega takes pity on him, afterall he'd understand Metal more than anyone else would. He was created by Eggman, programmed for a simple purpose which he could not complete (kill Sonic) and he snapped, like a twig. Omega did the same, but his reason was he was deactivated, so he snapped and went on a rampage.
I reckon together, those three can help keep eachother somewhere near the levels of sane :p
I don't know if you guys know this or not, but if you beat the final Storyline on Sonic Adventure 2: Battle and finish watching the credits it will say something like this...
A new day brings new adventure... But until then... Rest easy heroes.
New Adventure... Heroes... Sounds like they were referring to Sonic Heroes... Could it be that Sonic Team was working on the idea for Sonic Heroes before SA2:B was even relased!?
Anyway... I am bored, wish they'd hurry up and release Sonic DS. 
