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Anyway... I am bored, wish they'd hurry up and release Sonic DS.
This is the exact mentality that makes Sonic Team produce crappy, rushed games just so they can have more money faster. If Sonic Team actually took their time, maybe we'd have a decent game again.
Yeah but Sonic is about SPEED 
If shadow IS a clone/robot made by eggman, then eggman wouldn't have put his memories of sonic in, he would have put false memories in...Just my opinion.
But Sonic Heroes Shadow DIDN'T remember Sonic. Though Sonic Battle one did...
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But Sonic Heroes Shadow DIDN'T remember Sonic.
Eh, give him some slack. He just woke up and hadn't had any coffee yet. Can barely remember to put any pants on until I've had at least two cups. (Which gets embarrassing when I go to Starbucks)
Poor Shadow had one too many before fighting Biolizard, ey? That has to be the world's worst hangover!
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Poor Shadow had one too many before fighting Biolizard, ey?
Thank you! I was starting to think I made up that level where Shadow was kicking back a few drinks before he ran into Amy. He had to be pretty sloshed to think she looked anything like Maria.
Sadly, I think Shadow's binge drinking is the main cause of his notoriously spotty memory.
I think he must have been drinking twice as much in Sonic X then, EVERYONE looked like Maria to him in that!
BTW: You made me laugh obnoxiously loud when you made that Maria gag, for this I shall kill you 😀
And you made me break into histerics at the idea of intoxicated Shadow hitting on Chris because he reminds him of his dearly departed girlfriend. ![:]](https://www.echidnoyle.org/gamemusic3/forum/smilies/biggrinshaded.gif)
Thank you.
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But Sonic Heroes Shadow DIDN'T remember Sonic.
Not fully, but it does seem to nag at him as he muses over it a few times... "Sonic... why does that name bother me?" (or something along that line).
That is true. It makes it hard to pinpoint wether he is real or not. I believe that was the intention though, so they could decide at a later date.
0.0 My mother doubts my sanity as I laugh...
I haven't got SH/SB(Yet) (Heck, I don't have a GC/PS2/Xbox), I got the impresion he had vauge meories in SH and full memories in SB.
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I got the impresion he had vague memories in SH
Maybe. It depends on how you interpret the following lines.
(Note: I'm paraphrasing a bit)
Rouge: We're up so high, we must be on the edge of space!
Shadow : Space?! Did you say space?
Shadow could be remembering the Arc, or as I see it, he could be thinking Rouge has said yet another asinine, irrelevant comment along the lines of "This makes us a team, baby".
Shadow: Sonic? Why does that name bother me so?
Shadow is either saying he remembers the name from before, or that he was possibly "programed" by Robotnik/Metal Sonic to hunt down and kill Sonic the Hedgehog.
It really is up to you. As for why Shadow has his memories back in SB, there are various theories floating about.
Yeah, you're right, but the full memories in SB...
Some say someone must have explained it, but they wouldnt be able to do it well...
I like the idea of sonic heros=clone, sonic battle=real, it would be amusing if they met
YUM!
"It is a pickle, no doubt about it."
~Oracle, The Matrix
Well, all I can say about the Shadow real/Shadow clone debate, is that I have a theory. It is a theory that is based on the following assumptions:
1) Shadow the hedgehog in Sonic Heroes is the original Shadow, simply suffering from memory loss.
2) Shadow in Sonic Battle is the original Shadow, only now he remembers everything.
Assuming the above statments are irrifutable (which they are not), my theory is that something happened between the games to jog his memory. However, my theory is based on unconfirmed assumptions, and therefore is null and void.
In other words, despite my ramblings, we are back to square one, as I believe Sonic Team intended.
Unless new evidence is uncovered from previous games, we have to wait for the next game before we know the truth.
Me? I personally think Sonic Team dont know themselves, and Naka is currently going "Hm, I wonder if shadow is a clone, robot or the original..."
tut tut Naka.
<i>If shadow IS a clone/robot made by eggman, then eggman wouldn't have put his memories of sonic in, he would have put false memories in...Just my opinion.</i>
I agree, if he was a clone/robot, he would have been given memories to make him serve egman or something.
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It is a theory that is based on the following assumptions:
1) Shadow the hedgehog in Sonic Heroes is the original Shadow, simply suffering from memory loss.
2) Shadow in Sonic Battle is the original Shadow, only now he remembers everything.
Well, considering your assumptions are exactly what the debate is about, they do leave a little room for clarification. 
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agree, if he was a clone/robot, he would have been given memories to make him serve eggman or something.
What better way to serve Eggman/Metal Sonic then to give him an innate hatred of Sonic the Hedgehog.
*Nods* The best way of training a slave like that is to make him believe he is the original and program him for their own needs.
The Jackal did it to Peter and Ben in Spider-Man
It happened to Arnie's character in Total Recall
It's a very common thing, a weapon who is unaware he is being used as such. I'd have to say it's the most obvious thing to do in one of these "who's real and who's fake" situations.
Undeniable, rock solid proof that Heros Shadow is a clone/Robot:
*Fan Fare*
*More Fan Fare*
*Drum Roll*
Proof: The Real Shadow Lost one of his bracelets at the end of Sonic Adventure 2 (Assumably when Super Sonic robbed his burning corpse). The new one had both Bracelets. Obviously an impostor! Ha, ha!!!!!! Stick that in your fife and smoke it! 
Or maybe another was planted on him so he'd THINK that
I've alwys thought of Sonic Battle of a spinoff game that is'nt really cannon.
Just my opinion though...
Oh come on, Sonic Battle is quite clearly canon.
If the foot-race for the emeralds in Sonic R can be considered Cannon, then the masterpiece of brawling narrative, Sonic Battle has to be Cannon.
Sonic Battle tells us more about Gerald than SA2 did, it is certainly canon. It even makes references to Heroes, and had a storyline like a berjillion times better anyway.
A berjillion, you say?
Yeah, I'd say it's canon. An interesting point to ask is, will the next major plot point appear in a GC game, or on a handheld?
Hard to say Thamior my friend, at the moment there don't seem to be word on any new Sonic games at all, hand-held or console.
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Proof: The Real Shadow Lost one of his bracelets at the end of Sonic Adventure 2 (Assumably when Super Sonic robbed his burning corpse). The new one had both Bracelets. Obviously an impostor! Ha, ha!!!!!! Stick that in your fife and smoke it!
Or maybe theta just the desginers making him look right. Its just a game. Dont look to far in.
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Its just a game. Dont look to far in.
Man, oh man, are you ever in the wrong forum. 
Have you ever been to the "Cope" thread? Frankly, the bracelet evidence is just as compelling as any other evidence out there. If Robotnik wasted time to replace the real Shadow's bracelet, then that means it was probably more then a piece of jewelry, and suggests that orriginal Shadow was a Cyborg. If he didn't then this was probably just a Robot/clone, since it mysteriously has something we know the real Shadow lost.
Sonic team gave us a Mystery, and I'm not going to stop until I figure out who this Shadow really is, no matter how many scooby snacks I go through.
*sets overcomplicated booby trap for Shadow and catches the rogue hedgehog a la Scooby Doo*
Jinkies! It's time to unmask this hedgehog and see who he really is!
*Pulls off mask*
Zoinks! It's old man Mighty the Armadillo! Well, that mystery is solved. Onto the question of who this Big the Cat really is....
Big the Cat really is....
I'm telling you, Big the Cat is a GUN agent. Look at him in SA2, following the guys around, poking his head out of the GUN copter and such... then after everyone noticed him and listed all the sightings he disappears in SA2B without a trace.
Froggy must have some form of camera/microphone attached to him, which is why he likes to keep him around.
Big the Cat: Lazy cat... or something more sinister. YOU DECIDE!
Oh, I've decided. I've decided. He's a guv'nment spook alright.
And Froggy....
He's the real ULF from fifty years ago. Not this Shadow bum that took a nap on a park bench on day after drinking too much peach Shnaps in the hot sun and woke up in a pod on Prison Island.
If Dr. Gerald developed Froggy using Chaos as a template, then it stands to reason why he has Chaos' DNA in Heroes, and the darn things' Tail in Adventure.
DISCLAIMER:The following is not responsible for pain and/or death of shock of such a...tastless joke...
Maybe froggy is Biolizard's kid, and big is (Dont ask...) Mrs.Biolizard.
