Well yea, but compared to the 300mph Sonic will be reaching, not all that quick. =P

Mushroom Hill Zone...seriously had like no pits.

Actually, there were some, but you pretty much have to want to fall into one, made a misstep, or have a glitch make you fall into some. As a matter of fact, the glitch thing got me many a time in MHZ Act 1 I think after the first loop with Sonic/Tails.

Multiple paths that each have their own challenge and rewards[like shields, coins,etc].

Coins? Please, Neal, you insult the entire Sonic fanbase, lol!

Sonic R had coins. :3

(whisper) I think we have been infiltrated by a red plumber spy...

j/k anyhoo, is there anything new to see?

HAHAHAHAHA! As many times as I have gotten my friends who say cpins instead of rings. I feel unworthy. *excommunicates himself* Thanks for the backup though, TTG. lol

On the subject of coins and rings:

Main Entry: coin

2 a: a usually flat piece of metal issued by governmental authority as money b: metal money

Considering that rings are a form of money, at least in SegaSonic, and are presumingly made from some type of metal, I would have to deem them coins of unusual shape.

Woo hoo! Yea, so i'm back in? *is ex-excommunicated*

The world Sonic lives in appears to work under a barter system. Or maybe they're just really big on recycling? All those rings don't pick themselves up, ya know.

Yeah, I noticed that too and it made me sad.
Also the fact that said platforming levels were simply paths over bottomless pits... When will sega learn that we don't want paths above bottomless pits, but rather a large place where, if you fall off, you simply have to take another path? The lower path may be harder, full of spikes and traps and enemies, but don't make it a bottomless pit of doom! D:

So, I should be punished by having to play through a second route that is more challenging, rather than dying and going back to the last checkpoint? I think that's a pretty horrible idea. I mean, if the secondary area is enjoyable, then there probably wouldn't be a point in avoiding going down there, but if it's a pain in the ass, I'd rather just start the level over. I would rather just stick with dying when I screw up.

The only downside I could see to this is if somebody hates platforming, they'd have to sit through it.

But, heh, I happen to enjoy platforming. When done properly. When it's too freaking hard to handle, then it starts getting to somewhere where I'd rather go through the scenic route.

ALSO go home UNLEASHED fans, they fixed it in that video. (The <:O face that is)

Yeah, I noticed that too and it made me sad.
Also the fact that said platforming levels were simply paths over bottomless pits... When will sega learn that we don't want paths above bottomless pits, but rather a large place where, if you fall off, you simply have to take another path? The lower path may be harder, full of spikes and traps and enemies, but don't make it a bottomless pit of doom! D:

So, I should be punished by having to play through a second route that is more challenging, rather than dying and going back to the last checkpoint? I think that's a pretty horrible idea. I mean, if the secondary area is enjoyable, then there probably wouldn't be a point in avoiding going down there, but if it's a pain in the ass, I'd rather just start the level over. I would rather just stick with dying when I screw up.

Just because it's a harder route, doesn't mean you can't get back up. 😛
You can generally also avoid that by choosing the top routes, so you don't fall all the way down. Besides, even the lower, more dangerous routes usually rewarded you with something in the 2D sonics. Be it hidden rooms full of ring containers or extra lives..

But you reminded me also of another thing I've missed lately: the ability to backtrack in levels. I know I used to do that a lot, take one route up until a certain point where I'd grab a shield or something, then go back and take the upper path, because I liked that one most.

Hey remember this guy below?

Well he has name now: Dark Giga/Gaia. Don't know if that will be his english name.

Translated moon man speak is hard to follow. D:

BAH. Double post.

Here you go Toby. Found a more accurate translation on Sonic Stadium.

On-top of a huge space battleship, a blue whirlwind suddenly appears.
In one big spectacle, Sonic the Hedgehog races towards Dr. Eggman.
During the climax with Dr. Eggman, it turns into a fierce struggle involving Super Sonic as he hunts down Eggman.
However, it's a trap and Super Sonic bounces around the capturing device from the emense power it holds.
Super Sonic's power and the Chaos Emerald's power are snatched away from Sonic,
This is what Eggman wanted, Super Sonic and the seven Chaos Emeralds in his grasp, it was exactly like he planned.
Dr.Eggman converts the positive power of the Chaos Emeralds to negative power,
this 'dark' energy blasts towards his own planet and Earth shatters into seven pieces.
The breaking up of the continents has awoken a huge, terrible monster; "Dark Giga" from his slumber and Eggman tries to use him to dominate the planet.
At the same time, in the Chaos Emerald Energy Conversion Device, Sonic rises.
Strong muscles, sharp claws, raw teeth, appear. His whole body now covered in darker coloured fur, he has now turned into a beast.
This is the terrible shape of Sonic. "That's all I need you for" says Dr. Eggman then throws Sonic out to space.

So the negative power the emeralds come into play again(last time Chaos use them to transform into Perfect Chaos on SA) .

I think it would be a smart idea to keep platforming elements in 2D, and high speed sections in 3D. Platforming in 3D seems to be working for Werewolf Sonic though.

Also this Dark Giga/Gaia is probably going to turn out to be another Chaos/Biolizard/Metal Sonic/Iblis, if Sega have recycled that stupid plot again...

Many thank yous, Shadonic! Eggman planning for Sonic to go super, and then disposing of monstro Sonic was pretty damn clever/sinister.

Hey remember this guy below?

Well he has name now: Dark Giga/Gaia. Don't know if that will be his english name.

He looks like some Kind of Dragon..Hmm Chaos was water Iblis Was Fire, So Gaia Is obviously Earth, I wonder if theres a wind monster as well?

Gotta say putting all of these Demons in sonic is pretty neat, I wish Sega would use some other mythical creatures as well though.

Oh wow. I like this. These elemental creatures are cool. They make things seem so epic.

...I wonder if theres a wind monster as well?

Oh man, it would be awesome if that turned out to be Sonic. I could see Sonic just shrugging off the revelation, too. "Huh! So I'm a Wind Elemental, then."

I made a topic a year or so ago to see if people thought they might be other Elemental Chaos, and it looks like it might. As far as Sonic being a Wind Elemental, they have always use wind as a metaphor for Sonic what with Sonic Wind and the blue wind of Soleanna, but I seriously doubt Sonic is though.

I made a topic a year or so ago to see if people thought they might be other Elemental Chaos, and it looks like it might. As far as Sonic being a Wind Elemental, they have always use wind as a metaphor for Sonic what with Sonic Wind and the blue wind of Soleanna, but I seriously doubt Sonic is though.

Yea I remember that topic. Good call, Ray. As for Sonic maybe being the wind elemental...good thinking. Once again though...too creative for Sonic Team. 😛

Thank you! As far as it being too creative for Sonic Team, I happen to think it's not that; it just that the one thing that Sega's consistent on is that's Sonic's just a guy loving adventure and nothing more. Therefore being a wind elemental would not be what's Sonic's about, and even if he were to be, it doesn't need to be known just like the idea that he is the actual Ultimate Lifeform doesn't need to be expanded upon.

He looks like some Kind of Dragon..Hmm Chaos was water Iblis Was Fire, So Gaia Is obviously Earth, I wonder if theres a wind monster as well?

Gotta say putting all of these Demons in sonic is pretty neat, I wish Sega would use some other mythical creatures as well though.

You forgot Metal Madness/Overlord was metal and Devil Doom was darkness. I don't know if Biolizard count as elemental.

I bet the wind elemental is tails doll LOL! but seriously it would be neat to see one but considering how long it is between there introduction well probably have to wait a while at least a year or 2

Chaos 2000

Iblis 2006

Gaia 2008

so does that mean we have a 6 year wait or a 2 year wait? (Maybe they'll average it and it'll only be 4.)

"You forgot Metal Madness/Overlord was metal and Devil Doom was darkness. I don't know if Biolizard count as elemental"

I would'nt call those guys elemental's & meatal would still technically be earth, as for black doom being darknass...na im sure will see sombody moere evil in sonic eventually..

In some cultures earth and metal are consider separate elements so Metal Overlord still counts.

true but i think Sega's going for the big 4, Water,Wind,Earth & Fire. (Kinda like avatar.)

& Metal is a sub element like ice & electricity.

& Light & Darkness are more Spiritual elements the nPhysical ones in most stories.

I think you're all thinking way too much into this. It's just the monster of the week. =p

I think you're all thinking way too much into this. It's just the monster of the week. =p

monster of the week? its the 1st monster since o6 don't you mean monster of the year, & I wouldn't say were thinking too much into it, I really think Sega's saying somthing here. (could it be that they have some secret agenda for world domination!,lol.) but yea I never over think things, I just over exagerate their importance in my mind.

Dark Giga looks pretty interesting. I could see where someone might think that he looks like a dragon. It is kinda just the monster of the present though.

Where are we getting the 'Giga' from? Even the original (non-translated) version of that Famitsu web page has only "Dark Gaia", in plain english. There is also the english word "Dark" by itself, followed by the katakana 'enerugii' (which is simply 'energy' despite the difference in pronunciation). I don't see 'Giga', though.

I think you're all thinking way too much into this. It's just the monster of the week. =p

monster of the week? its the 1st monster since o6 don't you mean monster of the year, & I wouldn't say were thinking too much into it, I really think Sega's saying somthing here. (could it be that they have some secret agenda for world domination!,lol.) but yea I never over think things, I just over exagerate their importance in my mind.

'Monster of the Week' basically means a new monster with each chapter/episode/issue/iteration. So Chaos was one, so was the Boilizard in SA2, and Black Arms, and Mutant Metal Sonic, etc...this is just one in a long line, and while they may make a wind based monster in the future, any connection to previous ones will likely be something they decided when creating the new monster.

lol is that sum grinding wolfman?

^ Actually, if you look at the trailer again, Were Sonic is latching onto the wall and is trying to walk across it.

I bet the wind elemental is tails doll LOL! but seriously it would be neat to see one but considering how long it is between there introduction well probably have to wait a while at least a year or 2

Chaos 1999 *ahem*

Iblis 2006

Gaia 2008

so does that mean we have a 6 year wait or a 2 year wait? (Maybe they'll average it and it'll only be 4.)

"You forgot Metal Madness/Overlord was metal and Devil Doom was darkness. I don't know if Biolizard count as elemental"

I would'nt call those guys elemental's & meatal would still technically be earth, as for black doom being darknass...na im sure will see sombody moere evil in sonic eventually..

As for looking too into it, I think so. It's nice that you believe in Sega/Sonic Team so much Ray, but i'm sure it's both beyond them and yea doesn't fit Sonic too well. Then again Sonic could be like the chosen one and not know it. *shrugs*

Here you go Toby. Found a more accurate translation on Sonic Stadium.

On-top of a huge space battleship, a blue whirlwind suddenly appears.
In one big spectacle, Sonic the Hedgehog races towards Dr. Eggman.
During the climax with Dr. Eggman, it turns into a fierce struggle involving Super Sonic as he hunts down Eggman.
However, it's a trap and Super Sonic bounces around the capturing device from the emense power it holds.
Super Sonic's power and the Chaos Emerald's power are snatched away from Sonic,
This is what Eggman wanted, Super Sonic and the seven Chaos Emeralds in his grasp, it was exactly like he planned.
Dr.Eggman converts the positive power of the Chaos Emeralds to negative power,
this 'dark' energy blasts towards his own planet and Earth shatters into seven pieces.
The breaking up of the continents has awoken a huge, terrible monster; "Dark Giga" from his slumber and Eggman tries to use him to dominate the planet.
At the same time, in the Chaos Emerald Energy Conversion Device, Sonic rises.
Strong muscles, sharp claws, raw teeth, appear. His whole body now covered in darker coloured fur, he has now turned into a beast.
This is the terrible shape of Sonic. "That's all I need you for" says Dr. Eggman then throws Sonic out to space.

So the negative power the emeralds come into play again(last time Chaos use them to transform into Perfect Chaos on SA) .

Oh, come on! Hasn't Eggman learned anything? Eggman trying to control the latest DEM is getting to be as cliche as Knuckles getting tricked. We all know how this will end. Eggman wakes DEM of the game, tries to control it, loses control, and has to team up with Sonic and co. to stop said DEM. Brand new verse, same as the first.

How can anyone take Eggman seriously anymore if he keeps making moronic choices like that? What happened to the old Eggman? It's like someone whacked him with the Stupid Stick.

I hate Sega. I really, really hate them.

Oh, come on! Hasn't Eggman learned anything? Eggman trying to control the latest DEM is getting to be as cliche as Knuckles getting tricked. We all know how this will end. Eggman wakes DEM of the game, tries to control it, loses control, and has to team up with Sonic and co. to stop said DEM. Brand new verse, same as the first.

How can anyone take Eggman seriously anymore if he keeps making moronic choices like that? What happened to the old Eggman? It's like someone whacked him with the Stupid Stick.

I hate Sega. I really, really hate them.

Didn't you know? This whole running gag's been going on since Sonic Adventure.

Theres nothing wrong with eggy not learning from his mistakes i mean this is only the 3rd demon & bowsers kidnapped peach like what 50 times, Id say at least robotniks got 1up- on oll dino-breath.

Bowser usually gets his butt kicked by the hero which is less humiliating than getting it kicked by either your own creation or some creature you thought you could control.

The "monster-of-the-day" shtick is getting pretty tiring. What's wrong with having Eggman as the big bad?

whaaa? Bowser gets competition and humiliated by people other than Mario alla the time.

That's one of the best things about the Sonic Rush games - Eggman is the final villain, both at the end of Sonic's normal game and the unlockable 'last' story (he's teamed with Nega there, but still). It always feels good to do battle with a huge super robot. The Advance titles had big Eggman mechs as final bosses too (bar Advance 3), but it's just cooler (and more fun) in the Rush games. Anyone that hasn't played these games, go on Youtube and search for videos of the final bosses.

^ Exactly.

What happened to the days when Eggman would get his hands dirty and attack Sonic on his own? He's been the bad guy of the game ever since Sonic 1. Why does he constantly get upstaged by the DEM-of-the-game every fraggin' time? It makes no sense. At least Chaos gave us some insight into the history of the Chaos and Master Emeralds and the relationship between them. Do they think their fans have attention spans so short that they have to recycle the plotline every single game? Never mind, don't answer that.

whaaa? Bowser gets competition and humiliated by people other than Mario alla the time.

I don't remember Bowser hiring more powerful villians to thrawart Mario and/co only to get owned by them in the platformers. And that what we were talking about, the differences how each company has treated the major villian in their flagship series' notable genre wasn't it? Looks like it.

It seems like Sonic Team is trying too hard to turn Sonic into something epic by regulating Eggman as the number 2 villian or some minor annoyance because ever since Sonic Adventure they feel only god-like monstrosities can be a true threat to Sonic and friends. As mentioned, the handheld games are usually the exception.

I don't see how god-like monsters are qualitatively worse than giant war machines.

EDIT - and... did Eggman ever actually WORK with Mephiles or Iblis, or did he just try to acquire their power?

SA2, he got stopped by something Gerald put in motion; he never actually TOUCHED the Biolizard.

Heroes, his own creation, Metal Sonic, developed a personality and ousted him. Not quite the same.

The only time they've ever actually used the "giant monster betrays Eggman" plot was in SA then.

Gerald's plan would've never went into action if Eggman hadn't decided to use the Eclipse Cannon in a bid for power. If he hadn't stuck the Chaos Emeralds in, Gerald's doomsday program wouldn't have been activated.

Eggman may not have worked with Mephiles directly, but it was his fault he was released because he broke the scepter he was sealed in.

Personally, I'd rather have another Death Egg or another Egg Carrier, instead of another god. What's wrong with having Eggman be a match for Sonic? They've been doing it ever since Sonic 1, so why change it? Sega has a developed a nasty habit of trying to fix what isn't broke. Eggman's nothing but a joke now.

It's not as if the guy never fights anymore. O_o I mean, there he is through most of the zones. I don't really think being the final boss is that vital to his characterization; especially since he seems pretty damn villainous in what he does to Sonic in this plot set up.

^Until he has to have make a truce with Sonic to help him fight the real big bad because of overestimating its power.

Razor
I don't see how god-like monsters are qualitatively worse than giant war machines.

Except that whenever Bowser uses war machines they don't turn against him. He's the one in total control. He is the true big bad. Eggman used to be like this in the console games, but now...

Also, even before SH was released, I thought that Metal Sonic had some sort of personality. Not exactly one that would betray Eggman though.

Kayla
Eggman may not have worked with Mephiles directly, but it was his fault he was released because he broke the scepter he was sealed in.

Not to mention even if he was able to obtain the Flames of Disaster from Elise, you think based on past experience with very dangerous power he would have been have been able to control it.? XD

Bowser is the true big bad up till the point they decide to use him for comic relief. And in Sunshine, he was basically just sitting around while Bowser Jr. did all the work until Mario busted into his place.

But I'll quit while I'm ahead.

He's still the big bad even if he is comical in other games. Eggman was and still is comic relief(just look at the shape of his body for crying out loud), and he's not the major bad guy like he used to be.

Besides, who says you can't be both comic relief and the major evil? Just look at characters such as Kefka, Joker, and many other evil clowns. XD

More like he alternates in and out of the big bad position while being repeatedly degraded and embarrassed in the process.

I think Eggman has managed to keep significantly more dignity.

More like he alternates in and out of the big bad position while being repeatedly degraded and embarrassed in the process.

I think Eggman has managed to keep significantly more dignity.

See, now it looks like you are still trying to bring in the spin-offs characterization in addition to the platformers when talking about the two villians, when the rest of us were specifically mentioning the platformers. If that the case, then I should mention that Eggman has a fart attack in Sonic Riders. There is no dignity in toilet humor.

Anyway all, Kayla, Cyberknux, and anyone else who've complained in the past few posts is that the monster-of-the-game is becoming tired and I don't blame them. Eggman at Death Egg in Sonic 2 was more of a heart-pounding moment than any of the final bosses in any 3D Sonic I've played.