To be correct, he broke the planet into pieces to try and control Dark Gaia and his plan backfired. At the end, he tried to control Dark Gaia after taking its last remnant from Sonic and got sent blasting off again like Team Rocket.
This same lame crap with Eggman has been going on since Sonic Adventure.
Well, at least he didn't team up with Sonic and friends this time. I mean, he made an honest attempt to kill him in the Egg Dragoon battle before "blasting off again". 
It's not exactly what I want, but it's closer to it than in previous games.
Yep, still working on that game...
Anyways, back on topic: When Sonic Adventure came along, Sega just HAD to change everything just because they made it 3D. Even worse, right when the series was headed in the right direction.
Tails is rated the number 1 most annoying sidekick beyond Slippy. Ten years ago, this would not have been the case. In fact, Tails was more likely one of gaming's most beloved sidekicks.
New Tails = Fail
Actually such attitudes were surprisingly common even in the mega drive era. Some guys are just threatened by any male character that isn't macho.
This same lame crap with Eggman has been going on since Sonic Adventure.
But Chaos is a water elemental and Iblis was a fire elemental. That's nothing like Dark Gaia, or the wind elemental Eggman will be betrayed by in the next game!
Haha, what next game?
But Chaos is a water elemental and Iblis was a fire elemental. That's nothing like Dark Gaia, or the wind elemental Eggman will be betrayed by in the next game!
The elemental part doesn't matter. He still ended up getting blasted off when he tried to control the Monster of the Week.
Ohh, I see. Hm, I never noticed that before. Interesting observation
I used to doodle Sonic and Sonic characters a lot. One point, a few years before Sonic 2006 came out (so presumably before... 2006.), I did a drawing of Chaos's of other elements; rock, air, fire. I should sue.
I used to doodle alot of Sonic too. You know, though I am ten, I can draw as good as some of you older guys on here.
Though I am ten, I can draw as good as some of you older guys on here.
Age is irrelevant. Some are just gifted with the ability to produce good artwork and some will never be good, no matter how hard they try.
Yes, very true.
Back on topic: Sega needs to like, reboot the series. Because right now, everybody knows that Sonic sucks. I mean, they could have kept the series doing great, but they obviously had not only to change the graphics, but change everything else, too.
PLEASE no reboots. Seriously- every time they reboot a series, I start to cry.
I mean, look at the Spyro series- the new continuity SUCKS compared to the old one, and it astounds me how they could just off a great cast of characters like they had in some failed attempt to make the series more 'epic'.
They do that to Sonic, and even I'm not gonna play the games anymore.
^^So, what if the hypothetical reboot turns out to be a vast improvement in the quality of the franchise than in the last 15 years?
Reboot the damn franchise with a game to be released on June 23, 2011. Sonic's had green eyes for enough time now.
^^So, what if the hypothetical reboot turns out to be a vast improvement in the quality of the franchise than in the last 15 years?
That's probably never going to happen. Everytime we get screenshots of something that looks pretty, the game usually ends up quite the opposite. Unfortunately, I'm one of those people that always think, "Maybe they'll get it right this time!"
Hey, its possible. Refill Sonic Team with people that AREN'T idiots and know what they're doing. They also need to be smart, and realize WHAT IT IS that we are asking for and HOW NOT TO RUSH EVERYTHING. It would be easy to make a good Sonic game. All that those idiots need to do is quit caring whether the game comes out at frikkin' Christmastime or not and make a good game, and maybe listen to the public and QUIT IT WITH ALL THE NEW CHARACTERS, ALL THE DUMB GIMMICKS, AND GIVE US SOMETHING THATS REALLY SONIC.
It'd be really nice if Sega could put together a team similar to the one that reinvigorated the TF franchise with Beast Wars and Animated.
Nah, they just need smart people.
Like I said, people like Bob Forward and Larry DiTillio from Beast Wars and Marty Isenberg and Derrick Wyatt from Animated.
^^So, what if the hypothetical reboot turns out to be a vast improvement in the quality of the franchise than in the last 15 years?
There's still the loss of all the GOOD things they managed to come up with despite themselves over the years- and some of the characters who were actually more than half-decent.
Chaos, I'm looking at you (admittedly, he isn't so much a recurring character, but a total reboot would basically axe the entire storyline of Sonic Adventure- one of the best games since the Genesis days).
Admittedly, the bad sort of outweighs the good when it comes to Sega's ideas lately... but a total reboot would be like taking the way that each new Sonic game basically dumps all the great ideas they had in the last game and starts from scratch to the EXTREME.
I dunno- it may just be my personal dislike of reboots talking, but I feel there's about as much chance that they can salvage Sonic WITHOUT a reboot as there is that a reboot is the only way to go.
I mean, there's so much good stuff they COULD salvage if they tried, and it seems more of a waste to abandon something entirely and start over from scratch than to try to make it work. Maybe THAT'S just my inner packrat talking (honestly, you should see all the junk I have in my room!).
So, yeah- a reboot may end up in a critically better game, but I'd still regret losing the actually GOOD story points- the Sonic Adventure series in particular. In this, I admit I'm probably being very foolish, but that's just the way I feel.
Doing a proper reboot does not mean they cannot reintroduce all of the good stuff from old series. The idea of using the engine behind the Daytime levels in Unleashed and doing a proper remake of the original trilogy might be a good way to revitalize the series. Surely, with more than two dozen zones to recreate, making a high-speed, exploration heavy, platformer with sufficient length should not be two difficult if the proper time and energy is invested, and the story does not need much embellishment over what was found in the originals(perhaps proper cutscenes for when Sonic first meets Robotnik, Tails, and Knuckles are in order as well as cutscenes before the Scrap Brain and Death Egg boss fights).
The second game of a Rebooted Series could be a proper retelling of the Chaos Saga from SA1.
Yeah. Basically, there is SO MUCH Sega could have done and could do but they're all just too lazy.
They're not lazy; They just need to stop shoving out Sonic games so often that get released within some months of each other every year. I'm pretty sure that for every year since SA and/or SA2 came out you can probably count two, three, maybe even four Sonic games or games with Sonic in them that came out that same year.
One example of this is around 2003. Sonic Battle and Sonic Heroes came out a few days apart in January, Sonic Advance 3 around May of that same year, and I think Shadow the Hedgehog came out that November (correct me if I'm wrong on that one). Heck, I'm pretty sure Sonic Rush and Sonic2k6 were out less than a year apart from each other.
I think there's too much being done at the same time, which would lead to overworked people developing games, and the vicious cylcle keeps going on and on and on.
One example of this is around 2003. Sonic Battle and Sonic Heroes came out a few days apart in January, Sonic Advance 3 around May of that same year, and I think Shadow the Hedgehog came out that November (correct me if I'm wrong on that one). Heck, I'm pretty sure Sonic Rush and Sonic2k6 were out less than a year apart from each other.
I think Heroes was late 2003/early 2004, Battle was early 2004, and Shadow was late 2005. Nitpicking aside, I agree with your point.
One example of this is around 2003. Sonic Battle and Sonic Heroes came out a few days apart in January, Sonic Advance 3 around May of that same year, and I think Shadow the Hedgehog came out that November (correct me if I'm wrong on that one). Heck, I'm pretty sure Sonic Rush and Sonic2k6 were out less than a year apart from each other.
I think Heroes was late 2003/early 2004, Battle was early 2004, and Shadow was late 2005. Nitpicking aside, I agree with your point.
Thanks. I was pretty sure I was inaccurate somewhere there, because I hadn't bothered to look up release dates for things.
I dont get what everyone hates about Shadow game.
^^Because it's a broken game slapped with an awful concept. It was also the real beginning of the series low point in the eyes of the gaming public. I mean Sonic Heroes got some mediocre response, but Shadow was the game that got some true hate and most of it was pretty justified.
Although there was a certain satisfaction to obliterating all around you with Chaos Inferno (was that what it was called? Much better than Chaos Spear anyhow) when you'd had a bad day in the office 
I got a fair amount of fun out of it, but my basic problem (besides accidentally shooting Sonic dead a lot and wanting to do the same to Charmy) was that you were encouraged to ride vehicles. Hello? Super sonic hedgehog? Why would you do that?
Plus, the idea that you could take different paths through the game and get different endings seemed a good one, until you realised how many different times you'd have to do the same darn levels in only slightly different ways. That then lost its appeal somewhat. That and if you weren't paying attention, you ended up on a route you'd already finished.
Add on at the end that (although for me its hearsay as I never unlocked all the routes), having gone through this herculean effort, you end up with a cut-scene lots of people seemed to dislike and that none of it is "canon" (insofar as anything is "canon" in Sonic) anyhow and it seems a big waste of time.
I'd still pick it up occasionally I think, if I ever picked up my GC at all.
DW
Oh man, the story, especially the non-canon endings, was awful. One would be something like "I'm the ultimate life form! This is WHO I AM!" and the next would be a minor difference like "I am the ultimate hedgehog! This is WHO I AM!". And some of the good and bad missions had nothing to do with the overall story. Not to mention the generic level music (barring a few exceptions) and loads of unnecessary swearing. Otherwise, it played okay.
I dont get what everyone hates about Shadow game.
Probably how it's crap from start to finish.
Why I hate the Shadow game.
- Useless guns and god awful handling vehicles
- Terrible story that contradicts itself from one scene to the next
- No Eggman Lackey ending
- No real improvement in controls, camera and quality from Heroes. You know, the 3 main things wrong with all of the 3D games since 1999.
- No "Green Hill Bad Future" style level, I mean what the first level should have been is Green Hill, but its raining and there is fire and there is a loop de loop you clear and lightning strikes it and it explodes.
Why I like the Shadow game
- I got a sick thrill from destroying things
- Level design was a step forward
- Bosses were an improvement
- Soundtrack was nice
The thing I hate about Shadow is that he's somehow manages to take over a forum topic about TAILS.
Come on! Let's stop the Shadow hatin', and reconvene the Tails lovin'!
I think Tails stopped being cute when he developed a back-bone. You knew where you stood with him when he futta-futta-futta'd his way behind Sonic. And he was useful!
Sonic: "Tails, you're invincible. Be a dear and destroy Eggman's incredibly dangerous mech while I move out of the way."
I think Tails stopped being cute when he developed a back-bone. You knew where you stood with him when he futta-futta-futta'd his way behind Sonic. And he was useful!
Actually, I felt the self- confidence boost did wonders for Tails' personality. Early on, he seemed more like a fanboy who followed Sonic around out of blind devotion. But now, he's headstrong and super- smart, but still carries a sense of loyalty to his best friend. All in all, he's a more fleshed- out character. BTW: I think he's still cute^_^
Good point, MPrower. I never thought about it like that.
Actually, I felt the self-confidence boost did wonders for Tails' personality. Early on, he seemed more like a fanboy who followed Sonic around out of blind devotion. But now, he's headstrong and super- smart, but still carries a sense of loyalty to his best friend.
You do have a god point there, MPrower, but the main problem lies in the fact that your namesake is still a blind fan-boy. Sonic doesn't give Tails half the respect he deserves, but theres Tails, everytime, getting Sonic out of a tight spot or providing essential info. As much as I love Sonic, he does treat his "best friend" really crappily - but Tails is still going to be there for him.
Maybe I'm a jerk but if my best-friend treated me like that I'd have left him a~ges ago.
Sonic doesn't give Tails half the respect he deserves, but theres Tails, everytime, getting Sonic out of a tight spot or providing essential info. As much as I love Sonic, he does treat his "best friend" really crappily - but Tails is still going to be there for him.
Maybe I'm a jerk but if my best-friend treated me like that I'd have left him a~ges ago.
Crap. It's a direct parallel to the broken SEGA/Sonic fanbase relationship of today. All according to keikaku!
New Tails is fail. SEGA need to either bring him back to the way he was in 1992 or just kill the damn fox. I find it funny how New Tails has alot of haters where as no one even dares to mess with classic Tails.
I've always hated Tails, even before it was cool.
Yeah, I sort of think he doesn't need to be a blind, devoted fanboy OR a confident over-loyal "friend" of Sonic. Just REBOOT THE DAMN FRANCHISE, AND REBOOT SOME OF THE CHARACTERS ALONG WITH IT. Sega needs to just open their eyes and see what Sonic fans really want, they'd make more money that way instead of making crappy games for ignorant kids/ignorant parents who get the games as last minute christmas presents. WE DONT WANT ANY DAMN WEREHOGS, EITHER.
God, if Sega would just realize the error in their ways... it would help EVERYONE out. Yet we're STILL dealing with broken controls and bad storylines, and Sega isn't making as much money as they COULD with just a little more effort and more of an attention span.
Blue The Echidna Wrote: Sonic doesn't give Tails half the respect he deserves, but theres Tails, everytime, getting Sonic out of a tight spot or providing essential info. As much as I love Sonic, he does treat his "best friend" really crappily - but Tails is still going to be there for him.
Maybe I'm a jerk but if my best-friend treated me like that I'd have left him a~ges ago.
Actually, I think their relationship is a great one. I think the reason Tails doesn't seem to get enough credit for his work is due to another aspect of his improved personality. While he is more confident now, Tails doesn't seem like the type to seek too much praise, even when it's due. It's a sense of modesty that suits his character well.
Reboot the franchise so that they can make it trash from the very beginning of the series? BRILLIANT!
Like this?
You forgot 'clean Sonic's shoes'
Blue the Echidna wrote:
Sonic doesn't give Tails half the respect he deserves, but theres Tails, everytime, getting Sonic out of a tight spot or providing essential info.
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MPrower wrote:
Actually, I think their relationship is a great one. I think the reason Tails doesn't seem to get enough credit for his work is due to another aspect of his improved personality. While he is more confident now, Tails doesn't seem like the type to seek too much praise, even when it's due. It's a sense of modesty that suits his character well.
Yeah, but have you seen the Sonic OVA? When has Tails ever been more charming than when he angrily shouts at Sonic,"YOU'RE NO HELP!!", after Sonic refuses to help the "old man". See, in that incarnation, Tails had a great balance. He was equally a cute side-kick AND showed a self-confidence and inginuety to go out and save te "old man" by himself. AND he actually stands up to Sonic - yet 15 miutes later he's clutching on to him for dear life because he's "AFRAID OF LIGHTNING!". More of that please.
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MPrower wrote:
Actually, I think their relationship is a great one. I think the reason Tails doesn't seem to get enough credit for his work is due to another aspect of his improved personality. While he is more confident now, Tails doesn't seem like the type to seek too much praise, even when it's due. It's a sense of modesty that suits his character well.
Yeah, but have you seen the Sonic OVA? When has Tails ever been more charming than when he angrily shouts at Sonic,"YOU'RE NO HELP!!", after Sonic refuses to help the "old man". See, in that incarnation, Tails had a great balance. He was equally a cute side-kick AND showed a self-confidence and inginuety to go out and save te "old man" by himself. AND he actually stands up to Sonic - yet 15 miutes later he's clutching on to him for dear life because he's "AFRAID OF LIGHTNING!". More of that please.
Quoted for TRUTH!
I agree, Blue, that Tail's personality in the Sonic OVA was great. Like you said, he had a great balance. The OVA was pretty awesome, for this and many other reasons. The only real problem I have with it is the English version has one of the worst dubs I've ever heard. Why does Tails have a head cold???
I always used to joke that it was like he had two onions shoved up his nose XD
I thought Blue was being sarcastic.
If you heard the Sonic OVA dub, you'd say the same thing about Tails, too.
I DID in fact watch it, and many times, and I see what your talking about, Blue, if its sarcastic.
Plus, in Japan, he DIDN'T say "YOUR NO HELP!" he actually said "GO TO HELL!"
