OMG Sonic Team. No human is that stupid to think Shadow and Metal Sonic are Sonic. Another thing is that girls are not weak. They're making Tails think that Amy is weak in Sonic Adventure 2. Why would Tails think that Amy is weak if he knows Amy has a big overgrown hammer. Why do they have to make Cream in Sonic Advance 2 intended for little kids. Same thing with Team Rose in Sonic Heroes. They never did that back then. Sonic Team is sexist. Except in Sonic Advance 1. But girls are not slow and they put Amy as the slowest character.
I partially agree. They always make female charas cutesy preps. The only acceptions are Wave, ROuge, and Blaze. Also, I hate how they keep making so many speed characters... whatever happened to Sonic being teh only speed chara? >.<
Sonic Team are also racist. Their only black character is a stereotypical gun-toting psychopath with a bad attitude.
They're homophobic, too. Have you ever seen Sonic and Knuckles have sex? I rest my case. Those bastards.
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OMG Sonic Team. No human is that stupid to think Shadow and Metal Sonic are Sonic.
Actually, sorry but no:
A) Shadow is nearly identical to Super Sonic, save for a change of color and minor differences. Since there aren't a whole lot of Super Sonic Hedgehogs in Station Square, it's a resonable assumption that Shadow might be Sonic with a dye job.
B) In the games, no one accused Metal Sonic of being the real Sonic, untill "Heroes," by which time he developed the ability to Morph and look identical to other people, including Sonic. (See Team Rose's intro CG for proof)
I have to admit, though. In Sonic Adventure 2 they have pretty decent footage which more or less shows him as a totally different person.
Sonic X just takes this to the extreme with Shadow being right up close to the camera and everyone at the Thorndyke temporary residence being like OMG! SONIC!
As for Amy, it's called character development. Weak but still there, in SA1 she was a weak little girl who cried for Sonic whenever she was in danger, in her ending she decided to be strong and independant.
Look at Tails' reaction to her in Sonic Adventure 2, and compare to the FEAR! that he shows in Sonic Battle or Sonic does in Sonic Advance 3.
People underestimated Amy, now they don't. At all. They fear the hammer tooting maniac.
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I have to admit, though. In Sonic Adventure 2 they have pretty decent footage which more or less shows him as a totally different person.
Yes, but Sonic is known to change color and style himself, such as when he goes Super Sonic. And as I stated before, there really has only been one Super Sonic hedgehog in the series so far. To the average man: 4 foot tall speeding hedgehog MUST be Sonic.
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Sonic X just takes this to the extreme with Shadow being right up close to the camera and everyone at the Thorndyke temporary residence being like OMG! SONIC!
Heh. Yes, I'll give you that. 
Personally, I don't think Shadow is 'black'. Oh yes, he's coloured black and red, but those are traditional colours for a bad guy. Look at Robotnik. Call me racist if you like, but his attitude does not a stereotypical black guy make.
Now Knuckles, I just get the feeling that he is a stereotypical black guy. He raps, he's not too bright, he's violent...
Now that's where Sonic Team's racism lies.
Cream has replaced Amy's role as typical victim of kidnap, ever since Amy started toughening up a bit. Look at Shadow's new game (one mission at least involves rescuing her), and Sonic Battle, where she gets kidnapped.
As for Shadow, he may have skills like Sonic's but he's not a paint-job when it comes to personality. People go on about Shadow's angst-fest. Sonic doesn't angst. About anything. That alone makes them totally different. Also, Sonic would never pick up a weapon. Shadow has no such qualms about levelling the playing field. Shadow is far more serious than Sonic. He's also obsessive, depressed, and suffers from a permanent borderline insanity.
Personally I think that people overestimate Shadow's 'seething angst'. No doubts, from some of the CG footage from the new game, we've seen he's indeed pretty psychotic in regards to violence, and he's not strong moralistically, but Shadow has never seemed depressed to me. I've never seen him whining about how much his life sucks, nor have I seen him cutting his wrists.
"In Sonic Battle he does complain about his life being bad! He says that noone should have to go through what he did when Emerl went berserk on the ARK!"
That's valid. It was a disaster. He's referring to that specific incident, not his entire life.
"His Maria is dead! He wants to kill all the humans at the start of SA2!"
So he's really fricking angry. And yes, surely losing someone to a murder would be tragic. You'd feel awful. But Shadow is egotistical and very confident in his abilities. I suppose he could be hiding his true sorrow behind this veneer, but we never get to see that deep into him. Personally I do feel anger and desire for answers from him, but not depression. I don't mind if anyone disagrees, but I don't feel Shadow is completely gone just yet.
"But he kills himself at the end of SA2!"
He was happy at that point. He'd fulfilled the final wish of the person he cared about most. He had nothing more to achieve, and after the heroic act of saving the world (um.. just ignore for now he helped cause that danger in the first place), he let himself go. He didn't pull the pin on a grenade and keep holding it - he simply let the fall claim him, he was ready to rest, to see Maria again.
But then he came back 
Not to mention he himself is a weapon. That's all he is, it's why he exists. After realising that he had fulfilled Maria's wish and become more than the sum of his parts, he was contented to let himself fall least he be used by the likes of Eggman or GUN again.
Plus, for the next 2 weeks, we're still not sure if his motivations and actions were his own or if they were pre-programmed into his brain.
Not that I have faith in there being a difinitive answer to everything, but I'd damned well like to see a coherant explination of WHEN Shadow was created and just what Gerald did to him to make him an accessory to his revenge from beyond the grave.
Shadow being mistaken for Sonic was trite. Within context they look as different as possible to convey, and in that very same game Sonic was referred to as a world renowned hero. It's like mistaking Arnold Schwarzennger for Mr T.
It was a pointless cliche, they could have used much better reasoning to explain why GUN were after Sonic.
GUN had a perfect excuse, it's the news cameras which irk me.
GUN only had Hot Shot's transmition of a hedgehog attacking the base, which is fair enough if anyone sees a hedgehog smashing up mechs, it HAS to be Sonic.... ignoring Eggman's involvement in the raid and the fact that they know what Project Shadow is (note: Sonic X is unofficial, Shadow The Hedgehog proves without a doubt that at least someone at GUN knew what Project Shadow was).
I got a question.
How did a portable non-reactable mini bomb blow up an entire island?!
Why is GUN at EGGMANs base?
How did a giant weopon of mass destraction the EC go unoticed?
WHY was Amy on ARK while she could not use her big one?
How come when Tails hit the cars on a route they went fling?
Sonic on a metal board and instead of him ding the car goes down the hill?
Humans are stupid! Look at me!
How did a portable non-reactable mini bomb blow up an entire island?!
There were clearly several bombs and we're working on fantasy logic, not realism.
Why is GUN at EGGMANs base?
The robots in Eggman's base are Eggman's, hence the E-1000 design and the fact that they have animals instead of Chaos Drives.
How did a giant weopon of mass destraction the EC go unoticed?
Because Gerald has teh uber skiljz and put an asteroid on the front of the ARK :p
WHY was Amy on ARK while she could not use her big one?
I'm sorry, what?! Plot significance, she is needed to tell Shadow to save the day.
How come when Tails hit the cars on a route they went fling?
Same reason they did when Sonic touched them on his snowboard: Game physics.
Then why do eggman's robots attack him.
That's the area outside of Eggman's base. I assume that they're attempting to get in. Though it's unclear if this is due to Rouge's intel on matters or if they were just searching the area (because of the huge Eggman statues?).
Really? Well in pictures of a 'human' Knuckles, he's always the black guy.
Just saying.
And it's hard enough for me to catch sarcasm in real life, let alone over the internet.
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This thread, she makes me laugh.
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Really? Well in pictures of a 'human' Knuckles, he's always the black guy.
I don't think you've seen every fanmade interpretation of a human Knuckles in existance.
I find it sorta funny that the first posts goes on about how all the girls are weak and manages to conveniently ignore making any mention of Rouge, and uses Team Rose as evidence of sexism when one (or even two, if you count Cheese) of its members is male.
The girls in Sonic are not weak and are rarely insinuated that way.
Amy is now feared amoung her friends for her psychotic use of a hammer (though she started out the damsil in destress to rival and parody Princess Peach).
Rouge is a former spy and a treasure hunter who is also a skilled fighter.
Cream is 6 years old and is couragous (she went on a quest to save her Mom, and she didn't have allies other than Cheese).
Tikal, while not a fighter or a playable character, she stood up to her father and his army, and then stood up to Chaos who wiped out said Father and army.
As for Knuckles, they've only been playing him as an idiot on the GBA titles so far, he's hot headed but I've never seen him as a steriotype of anythiing. :/
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They always make female charas cutesy preps. The only acceptions are Wave, ROuge, and Blaze.
I hope you realize you just listed HALF of the female characters.
It'd be more accurate to state all characters under 14 are cutesie ickle pinch cheeky peoples.
Then you'd have to hope Amy isn't on her period when you attempt to test the theory.
Wait, Wave was female?
Huh, I need to keep up with Riders.
Oh, come on, now. Where would the world be without cutesyness? A whole lot meaner, probably. Don't hate on the cutesies just because they're cute.
Wave has eyelashes and clothes. The sign of a Sonic Team girl.
Annoyances with Sonic Characters, Hmmm I used to have a problem with Cream but Craig showed me the light so shes acceptable. I suppose I find Charmy bit too annoying but isn't that the point of him? Big is a bit too simple for a 18 year old for my liking. 10 year old maybe. I do like the general range of characters personalities. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Rouge, Espio, Cream, Dr Eggman and yes even angsty Shadow.
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Big is a bit too simple for a 18 year old for my liking.
To be fair, the guy lived alone in a jungle his entire life with only a frog for company, although he can still manage to successfully pilot a plane.
He's just stoned.
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To be fair, the guy lived alone in a jungle his entire life with only a frog for company, although he can still manage to successfully pilot a plane.
True. I do love Big though. As the Sonic Character who just doesnt seem to care about anything else than his little friend.
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He's just stoned.
Bad JMan. i've seen those plants in Mystic Ruin as well but that does not mean anything.
Big is just fat. Big whoop, want to fight about it.
Oh, what I wouldn't give to fight you, Shendu.
Just as a punishment for all the pointless one-liners you pollute threads with.
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Big is just fat.
What does that have to do with anything? Much less your comment about Big not being smart.
Who is Wave? Is she from Sonic Riders?
I really love it when people have pictures in their sig that are at least 20 times bigger than their average post, don't you?
Wave is a Swallow from Sonic Riders - she's the leader and "speed part" of Team Babylon.
Correction: Jet's the leader and speed character of Babylon. Wave's the mechanic and flight character of Babylon.
Whoops. Well at least I got the Swallow part right =p
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Sonic X just takes this to the extreme with Shadow being right up close to the camera and everyone at the Thorndyke temporary residence being like OMG! SONIC!
as far as anyone knew there was only one hedgehog in sonic X. it wasn't possible for another one with the same speed to exist. they couldn't have guessed it was another hedgehog.
i mean come on, if you saw a dancing pink elephant and then saw a green dancing elephant won't you think it's the same one?
I remember my grandpa used to call black blue. it's kinda funny but when you think of it or used to the idea, the two colors aren't really that different (if it was dark blue).
It's not just the colour of his quills, it's his sinister smirk, his red eyes, red stripes, SA1 Super Sonic design (not the same as Sonic X's Super) and the fact that he's just NOT Sonic.
Note that at this point of the series Angel Island and Mystic Ruins had been transported to Earth and several Sonic friends had begun to inhabit Station Square as we see in episode 39 (just because it's explained later doesn't mean the last 6 months haven't had the same facts/effects)
Plus in SA1's arc Chris randomly met Big and Kiaru-kun. Amy met Lily and Eggman had been capturing Sonic's World animals.
So by this point in the series creatures from Sonic's world are an accepted and known factor. It'd be stupidity to assume Sonic was the only hedgehog, especially with Amy in the house.
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Plus in SA1's arc Chris randomly met Big and Kiaru-kun.
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You know....?
From Holes?
*shrug*
I think you mean Kaeru-kun, Craig, who to Western audiences is known as "Froggy" 
Bloody nitpickers, cancelling out my purism...
*grumblegrumbleafrasarassafrasserrasum*
It'd be stupidity to assume Sonic was the only hedgehog, especially with Amy in the house.
never mind the hedgehog part it's the speed that's confusing. sonic's the only super fast hedgehog in the world. when I first saw shadow on a SA2 trailer on tv I thought it was sonic.
Didn't you also make that mistake? it was totally unexpected to be two speedy hedgehogs.
and the whole different color thing, well they saw sonic turn gold. who knows what else sonic can do(besides, super sonic is serious looking just like shadow).
When I first saw the SA2 trailer on the Demo that came with PSO on the Dreamcast, I thought he was a new type of Metal Sonic, it was fairly obvious that he wasn't Sonic though.
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Bloody nitpickers, cancelling out my purism...
Well the thing is about purism, everyone is nitpicky =p. You see "kaeru-kun", "kaiten jump", and "Sonic and Tails" (as opposed to Sonic Chaos), but if you wanted to be really pure about it, you'd be playing as Sonikku or Nakkurusu, and looking forward to getting a copy of Shadoo Ze Hejjihoggu next week. =p
Again. With Sonic's World and Chris' combined, it would have been easier and more logical to assume it was another hedgehog.
Perhaps the furry friends could have thought it was Sonic based on the "Only super speed hedgehog" logic, because they live on Sonic's Earth and know that it doesn't have any other super speed hedgehogs, but as far as the humans are concerned there could be hundreds.
Plus STEWART! of all people was smart enough to notice it wasn't Sonic and the footage he watched was far off and clouded in fog.
I thought he was a new type of Metal Sonic, it was fairly obvious that he wasn't Sonic though.
yeah but it was right after sonic adventure that already changed sonic's appearance. i thought it was some kind of sonic going evil game.
you know like what if eggman made a ray gun that turned sonic from good to evil.
it doesnt have to be smart, the point is i thought of it. other people might had too.
(although I kinda feel bad about it, being sonics biggest fan and all)
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but as far as the humans are concerned there could be hundreds.
since sonic's friends from his world think it's sonic what makes you think the people would think otherwise wont they just follow their lead since theyre more knowledgeable about their world.
and Stewart is not a regular person.
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since sonic's friends from his world think it's sonic what makes you think the people would think otherwise wont they just follow their lead since theyre more knowledgeable about their world.
They never asked Sonic's friends their opinion on the matter.
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and Stewart is not a regular person.
How is Stewart not a regular person?
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They never asked Sonic's friends their opinion on the matter.
it's enough they didn't deny it.
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How is Stewart not a regular person?
secret agent.
since sonic's friends from his world think it's sonic what makes you think the people would think otherwise wont they just follow their lead since theyre more knowledgeable about their world.
They don't. Amy and Tails know it's a fake right away and go to save him. Amy mistakes Shadow for Sonic, but my theory is that in Amy's mind: Hedgehog + Hedgehog = Sonic XXX.
I mean there's no basis to believe it's Sonic at all. EVERYONE says "It's not like him"
I wouldn't be annoyed about it if it was a foggy pic like the footage Stewart watched, but he was right up in the screen, YOU COULD SEE HIS STUDDLY WHITE MAN FUR!
I saw that in Sonic Adventure 2 Sonic and Shadow don't look like if they're running fast. It looks more like they're sprinting like the speed of a human. In Sonic R they're supposed to be explaining supersonic speed and Sonic looks like a skiping girl who's so happy and it doesn't look fast.
