Don't forget Mighty!
Too much like Sonic my fat uncle harriet.
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I really don't like how people think Big is retarded or something... He also demonstrates himself to be an incredibly quick learner by flying Tails' broken plane
a plane built by an 8 year old. it probably had flashing lights and written/drawn instructions on it. sonic team meant to put Big retarded and fat, they just want him to be loveable so they made him look lucky enough to fly a plane (an over used comedy gag).
A lot of movies and cartoons try to make people like something, which is becoming a very annoying film - habit. why can't Big be fat and normal and runs around like knuckles and tails, why put him retarded? What are the odds that theres a fat retarded giant ugly purple cat? Theyre really stretching it, which makes me hate it.
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Aside from all that, he taught himself how to fish for his own food, make his own furniture, and talk.
the poor fishes what did they ever do to him? save the fish! they are our wonderful intelligent highly sensitive sea friends. they got rights!
about the other things, he knows enough to hold a slow hobby and a home but not tough tasks. like when he panicked about froggy in the cartoon and Chris tried to calm him down. he's like a kid, responsibility is hard for him.
Cats are predators? You know, they eat fish, rabbits, field mice, gophers and just about anything they can sink their claws into?
Big is a stereotypical stoner, not a mentally deficient person. If the fact that he's as slow as Bill and Ted combined doesn't give it away, maybe the plants around his house would :3
like duh Im the first who warned from big eating bunny for lunch. it's okay for him to eat fish that's one of their reason of creation but not okay to fish them for sport like in his levels in SA1.
what's a stoner? who're Bill and Ted?....... i don't get you
is it in a sonic game? i didn't play shadow or rush so i don't know the characters.
Umm... you need to learn your pop culture, matey. I wont bother explaining what a stoner is, because I doubt you'd fully understand. Long story short, he's a characture of one of those and is not mentally deficient at all.
And fishing for sport is an iffy subject, I wont get into it here, but for once I agree, but it's a video game, and if video game fishing could be used as an alternative for real fishing, then who cares?
okay........ and the plants? i don't see where's big has to do with them and pop singers?
still, the fish look very real, can't help put feel sorry for them. 
oh well i'm glad you don't kill fishes, and i hope many others don't too (unlike Big).
Trust me, Knight, it all makes perfect sense to people who know what I'm speaking about...
Long story short, a stoner is the name of someone who abuses marijuna, which is a plant that looks very similar to those surrounding Big's house. When smoked it causes mellowness and euphoria and in excessive abuse hallucinations and other negative side-effects (none of which are fatal or permanent, as far as I'm aware).
Basically, the stoner is a stereotype portraited in many teen movies, like "Dude, Where's My Car" and other such crap. I used Bill & Ted, because I like Bill & Ted, they're cool. Anyway, the stereotype is an excessively slow person who is lazy and hungry all the time.
As long as there are no following questions, I'll let the Bill & Ted analogy go, mostly because I can hear fans sneaking up to strangle me for accusing them of being stoners >>;
Are cigarettes made of marijuana? I didnt know they made people hallucinate. my friend says smokers are thin because of cigarettes. Though big is fat? So I dont think he smokes the marijuana around his house. (its a sonic game after all, smoking brings cancer they wouldnt want to teach kids to smoke).
and I think smokers are dumb in the first place for smoking, so it has nothing to do with the big. Sonic team made big a retard intentionally.
Are cigarettes made of marijuana?
No. They're not. Cigarettes and marijuana are two seperate things. Don't confuse them. EVER.
Marijuana is illegal and Sega aren't promiting the drug, they're just using the stereotype.
See, this is why I didn't want to explain it to you, you just don't get it... and right now I'm rather fatigued at explaining these things, knowing full well you'll mis-understand as I say them.
Just take my word on this, ok? Please?
okay
i'm pretty busy anyway. thank you for trying.
a plane built by an 8 year old.
How many full-grown adults do you know that can build planes from scratch, let alone ones that can transform, shoot lasers, and fuel themselves using the power of Chaos Emeralds? That's right, not a whole lot. Therefore it stands to reason that any plane Tails builds would be infinitely more complex than anything built by a normal adult.
To my awareness, a lot of people who fish for sport return the fish to its habitat after recording it or whatever. I'm not sure how commonplace that is, but it definitely happens, I'm sure, so it's hardly right to go assuming that every fish caught furing sport-based fishing gets killed.
Also, why would Tails put instructions on something he built himself, and was intended entirely for his own use?
(apologies for taking this off topic further, guys. I don't exactly have a preference to worst Sonic characters - although Black Doom seemed ultimately pointless, I guess. no likey him. Oh, and the GUN commander too, in that light.)
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I really don't like how people think Big is retarded or something. I mean, sure. I'll admit, he doesn't know much about anything at all, but that's because for his entire life until the beginning of Sonic Adventure he's been living in the jungle, in his own little world. As far as Big was concerned, up until that point, there was no world outside that little corner of the jungle that he occupied. Aside from all that, he taught himself how to fish for his own food, make his own furniture, and talk. His only friend for his entire life has been a normal, average, everyday frog, who probably doesn't understand a word Big says.
I agree. And another thing is Big is his own character. He's not a copy like Metal Sonic, or Shadow. Big lives one of the best lives of all the Sonic characters because he never really worries about a thing.
This is off topic but, I don't know what to make of sonicknight. So innocent and sheltered to the point of not knowing what marijuana is... That's sad and quite possibly dangerous for sonicknight. I hope your home is clean of these things so you don't get hurt.
Answering a previous post on Rouge's age: Oh, 18 does mean she is a legal adult BUT, 2 years is hardly much of a difference from Knuckles. And for all you pro ShadxRouge people, if Shadow and Sonic really are nearly identicle (besides personality, of course), then that would make Shadow even younger at 15! Okay, back on topic.
I agree with Trueblue in the fact that Big can't be completely bad as he is his own character, not some copy or rehash as most of the new characters we see are.
So innocent and sheltered to the point of not knowing what marijuana is... That's sad and quite possibly dangerous for sonicknight.
now now, not knowing one word doesn't mean anything. and don't worry i don't smoke, neither do my parents so our home is safe (plus, i'm 20. i'm a responsible adult. i won't eat things i don't know).
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How many full-grown adults do you know that can build planes from scratch
um, GUN. oh well we both can't proove wether tails plane has instructions or not (though, kids love to put stickers and write with their crayons on everything) but like i said it's a classic joke. idiotic luck helps BIG fly a plane. i'm sure you felt it too.
and what if you return the fish back, is it still okay to scare them and hurt them with the hooks like that? just because they don't have expressions doesn't mean they don't feel.
I personally don't seem like Shadow is a copy of Sonic entirely, but others have said he is. Their attacks may be the same, but they have different purposes.
Shadows original intent was to be a "Bad Hedgehog" or evil Sonic, they're the same.
You know when I said "Don't forget Mighty" I meant it as a joke that Mighty was a GUN secret agent... jeez, this lack of sleep must be doing something nasty to my brain.
I was going to say Cream, but Craig reconvinced me that this new rapping, treasure-hunting, nomadic Knuckles the Blockhead is a really a poor character transformation. Knuckles has so much less substance and depth without his history and duties aboard Angel Island.
But let's not forget the Lamebots: Robo 1 and Robo 2! Cheap repaints inserted to fill the character roster, additions so idiotic and needless that the translators wouldn't even dignify these gangsta Egg Pawn rejects with real names.
edit: Isn't this the sort of topic better suited to a poll format?
E-10000g and E-10000r seem like "real names" to me.
Sonicknight, I'm very surprised you figured out how to work the intenret.
And Tyler, NO because polls are evil and as such were killed in the great poll wars of whenever.
I agree. Robo 1 and 2 look stupid and have no point. Sega should have brought back Tails Doll and Heavy and Bomb into Sonic Riders instead of making new pointless characters.
Cheese! *kills Cheese*
If you are 20, then it's not so bad, you just seemed so much younger than that. You didn't know what pop culture or a stoner was either! 😛 I'm just teasing, but that's a relief to know your an adult.
Robo 1 and Robo 2! Agh, so useless and unwanted! It would have been infinitely better if the Chaotix or Big or Nack had been used instead!
I always get that. But it's okay I get discounts on tickets, get free balloons and buy all those cool sparkly shoes and clothes "adult clothes are dark and boring, anyway".
Sonicknight, I'm very surprised you figured out how to work the intenret.
Well buddy, it was a little difficult to get used to sarcasm in this fourm but now I know in a discussion it means "your right and I cant come back". And so I win the discussion. I'm a little disappointed, wonder bat. I hoped you'd put up a good challenge, guess big's not so big of a deal after all.
Oh well, My next worst sonic character is shadow.
1- Copycat: the whole evil twin thing has been done a million times, and if shadow wasn't sonic's twin he sure is metal's. in the sonic movie metal was evil through out the movie and even destroyed cities and at the end saves everyone and falls to his doom refusing sonic's help exactly like shadow's story in SA2.
2- Annoying: shadow is so annoying even when he died and we thought that's the end of that. sonic team decides to give him a cheap come back story. It's pretty obvious they only thought up his come back after they killed him in SA2. he's supposed to be the side character that dies in a story to make it more dramatic, even sonic team didn't want him to last. yet he comes back and ruins the game.
3- Creepy: the whole revenge thing is too scary an idea even eggman was creept out. I didn't like it. and the blowing up the moon part was too silly, sonic team put it whole in sonic heroes. they OBVIOUSLY saw it a bad idea and tried to fix that mistake with sonicX by letting eggman fix it, so we'd get an explanation. Again fix something in a story because of shadow.
shadow's just too confusing and gloomy for a sonic game. If I want drama there's a dim a dozen games for that, sonic's special for sonic's happy nature.
I read shadow's game didn't go so well. Proof that shadow is a terrible character. If it was a Rouge or even Cream video game I bet it would have been a blast.
Point: people don't want sadness we want cheerful colorful happy characters like sonic. shadow's idea just doesn't appeal
Well buddy, it was a little difficult to get used to sarcasm in this fourm but now I know in a discussion it means "your right and I cant come back". And so I win the discussion.
Apaprently you're still not quite used to it. o.o
I read shadow's game didn't go so well. Proof that shadow is a terrible character.
Or that the game just sucked in general.
I do agree that the concept of Shadow is viciously generic - an angsty, dark character with an unknown history, who's based off a complete recolor of the main character (sounds scarily like a fan character o.o). I also agree that a lot of what he doesn within the games sucked. However, I see Shadow as a character with a lot of potential that's not being used. I mean, there's a lot of history to him, and exploring it would open things up about the Gizoid, the Robotnik family and his true origins and purpose (Nobody mention Black Doom. I resent and deny his existance.). Who knows, it might even reveal stuff about the older characters - Sonic, Tails, Knux... - if Sonic Team played it right.
Of course, they've completely demolished the potential for this to happen with the recent Shadow game. =( Sodding writers.
(I dunno if that's even on topic. I started writing this in the Quick Reply and now I have no idea what I've just written. c.c;;)
E-10000g and E-10000r seem like "real names" to me.
Yeah, but have Ee-Ten-Thousand Green or his recoloured double Red been acknowledged with those monikers as of yet? You'd think the official websites would post that information.
Sonicknight, That wasn't sarcasm.
I'm just incredibly amazed that you don't know what Marijuana is and think women shouldn't go out in public without their fathers and can still use the internet to post retarded nonsense like you've been doing.
I think Shadow is the best character, and so it was kind of cheesy that he was brought back after SA2, but he is a good rival to Sonic. That's just my opinion.
I thought Shadow was neat in Sonic Battle and Sonic Adventure 2.
Otherwise he's just been an insert to get fanboys/girls to go out and buy the game.
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I see Shadow as a character with a lot of potential that's not being used. I mean, there's a lot of history to him, and exploring it would open things up about the Gizoid, the Robotnik family and his true origins and purpose
that sounds like sonic, they're not giving him enough attention. and which bothers me about shadow how did that professor make him 50 years ago, what does that make of sonic. is sonic a 50 year old super hero he saw and decided to make a weapon from or something. shadow just adds more questions. if they gave sonic that story or released him a solo game we'd have had the answers by now.
stupid shadow!
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can still use the internet to post retarded nonsense like you've been doing.
Ouch 
someone hasn't been watching enough sesame street.
anyway i was just responding to someone else about those issues, they probably seem nonsense if you weren't there from the beginning.
now come on admit i was pretty clever with my discussions on big and shadow
Sonic has nothing to do with Shadow. He's just a regular guy, what you see is what you get. He loves action. That's all you need to know about him. That's as deep as his character will ever go.
i wouldn't have minded all that, but ever since shadow showed up, i keep wonder what's their connection. a super fast hedgehog is too good an idea for the professor to be a coincidance.
There is no connection. Weren't you paying attention to the final cutscene before the Sonic versus Shadow final boss fight? Shadow demanded to know what Sonic was and why he was, Sonic just shrugged and said "I'm Sonic"
The point is, Sonic is Sonic. He's the best. He doesn't need a reason, he just IS.
that's fine. it's shadow that bothers me. how can he be like sonic? sonic is the original super hedgehog, what is shadow? if he is a lab experiment where did the professor get the idea? were there other super fast hedgehogs 50 years ago or was it just sonic haunting the robotnik family.
It doesn't matter. With all the plot inconsistancies in SA2, the screw ups, the things which don't make sense...
We can give a tiny bit of creative license on it being a coincidence.
it's too annoying to be left that way. i'd still think about it everytime i see shadow and sonic in a game.
to me this is the biggest thing about shadow that doesn't make sense.
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if he is a lab experiment where did the professor get the idea?
Something about a prophetic mural depicting Super Sonic in action.
This, perchance?
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Shadow's story doesn't relate to Sonic's. That's why he has his own game. In SA2 he was used as a rival of Sonic, and in Sonic Heroes he was used to make Team Dark. I think Shadow's past is his story, but when he's with Sonic in SA2 or Sonic Heroes, he's ends up trying to save the day. It's like two different stories. That's the way it seems. SA2 was just introducing Shadow, so there was a lot about his past.
now come on admit i was pretty clever with my discussions on big and shadow
LOLno. You weren't, unless by "clever" you mean "annoy people with sheer ignorance until they give up trying to argue with you". If that is your definition of clever, you are maddeningly clever.
Those two robots from Riders. Ugh. They look like they're from the ghetto.
Yeah, those two robots were a waste to make. They don't even look cool. If Sega is going to make pointless copies (or new pointless characters0 they should at least make them look cool.
That's the complaint about them, they're useless and unwanted. Why not the Chaotix? Why not Big? Why not Blaze? Why not just leave them out and not go though the trouble of creating them and programming them into the otherwise good roster?
The reason they exist is that SEGA needed someone other than Eggman for team Eggman.
Still doesn't excuse the half-assed design, though =
Why not use Decoe and Bocoe? It's not like Sega don't own the license to Sonic X's characters.
Because Sonic X and the games should remain entirely separate. FOREVER.
Wait, who's even going to PLAY as those robots?
"Heeyy Jimmyy, who ya gonna play on Sonic Riders today!? ^___^ *Jumps around happy-go-lucky.*"
"My favourite! Robot 2!"
"Not Robot 1?"
"That horrible character? Lolno, he's just a cheap copy of robot 2."
Er, though I agree that Sonic X and the games should be kept seperate canon-wise... as cool as Sonic X is at times.
personally i'd say cream. She's basically useless in all aspects of the games.
You know what? I really don't have a reason for hating her.
I just really really hate her.
you know those two robots with eggman are a famous comedy duo in japan. i used to watch comedy shows where there's a fat gang leader and two of his men always arguing his commands and they sound just like decoe and bocoe. i also watched it on a very popular tv game show called the fortress, mr. takashi was more like eggman (he'd wear this huge mask and kimono clothes). i think the two characters are just for the comedy part, though i'd love to see them again.
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"annoy people with sheer ignorance until they give up trying to argue with you"
ignorance? in what?
i find all what i said was pretty good and worth the argument. my persistence to my statements is not to annoy anyone, this is just my way. i like to read others views and get a better picture.
oh and 
shame on you, calling your elders annoying and ignorant.
i am a school teacher, you know.
They already took the voices from Sonic X, so why not take Decoe and Bocoe from Sonic X. They have more meaning than Robot 1 and Robot 2. Or they could use Metal Sonic or Omega/E-102 Gamma. Anything is most likely better than these two new robots. I'll still probably try them out in the game though.
