Alright, I have been thinking on this theory since March/April, but never got around to it because I was trying to beat all 326 stories of ShtH (which I did in early August ![:]](https://www.lighthead.net/misc/mofo/smilies/biggrinshaded.gif)
), and I also was procrastinating on making it. Anyway, after seeing the mini-discussion of Knux's apparent lack of caring for the ME, I figured I better make this topic before anybody else does.
Anyway, I think Knuckles actually is still guarding the Master Emerald, but instead of waiting for somebody to come to him, he's going with Sonic and friends to stop Eggman because he sees Eggy as the main threat to the ME. Knux realizes as long as Eggman is a threat his Emerald is in danger; this would also be the reason why he was in Glyphic Canyon and Black Comet because of seeing the Black Arms as a threat. I also think he took the example of Chaos and Shadow as part of the Eggman threat because even though they turned against Eggy, he was the reason they were released in the first place.
So, based upon this, in Sonic Heroes, Tails probably showed Knux Eggmans (Metal Sonics) letter and he figured that he might as well help Sonic and Tails take the fight to Eggman because he figured Eggy was going to come to Angel Island sooner or latter any way. In Sonic Battle, maybe Angel Island was floating over Holy Summit which would be why he appears not to be guarding the ME. In Shadow, Knuckles knew that if he didnt try to stop the Black Arms/Comet that the earth would be destroyed and no Earth meant no Master Emerald or Angel Island.
Finally, it is widely known that Knuckles envies Sonic adventurous live style; so, taking the fight to Eggman and going on adventures with Sonic and Tails can quench his inner adventurer while allowing him to protect the ME
Finally, if anybody has read the Return to Angel Island arc in the comics, you will know that Knuckles told his father that he would not stay on Angel Island because he knew that as long as Eggman is around the Master Emerald would always be in danger. Now you may be saying that the comics is not canon to the games and youre right, but Sega has to approve all stories before Archie can print them. I figured that Sega approved the RTAI arc because it is suppose to be a hint as to why Knuckles appears not to be guarding the ME anymore in the games.
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I was trying to beat all 326 stories of ShtH
Good god why?!
And this theory might hold a little more weight if Knuckles so much as mentioned Angel Island or the ME since like Sonic Adventure 2.
Sega doesn't care what the storyline is in Archie. So please don't use "approval" to help your point as it doesn't. Their main concern is the "looks" of the characters. Everything else is pretty much a non-issue (particularly as Archie has a "kiddie friendly" reputation).
I figured it is kinda obvious why he doesn't care anymore. They want to put him in games but can't find a good reason that doesn't involve destroying the M.E. so they just stopped attempting to come up with a reason due to the fact that those that want to play as Knuckles won't care. I know that I don't as long as I enjoy the game. It's the fact that they keep sticking him in games where he's not playable without having the M.E. or Angel Island around that's silly.
As for Knuckles seeing Eggman as the greatest threat to the M.E., I doubt it. The next time they decide to have Knuckles tricked by Eggman (the never-ending gag) will negate any possible validity that could have.
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And this theory might hold a little more weight if Knuckles so much as mentioned Angel Island or the ME since like Sonic Adventure 2.
If you wanna get absolutely technical, he does make a mention about the island in Sonic Heroes (IIRC, Frog Forest). And wasn't that the emerald alter in SAdv 3?
Didn't Knuckles's profile in Sonic Riders mentioned Angel Island?
Answer: Yes, yes it did.
It is just a case of Knuckles is probably getting more curious of the world around him. In Shadow he did have a good excuse to wander of the Island. Aliens had come and started to wreck up the place.
It'll all be explained in the Kncukles Quest game which has 568 different story paths, and this time there wont be a final story so fans will argue amongst themselves which is the true path until the next Sonic game which brings Kncukels back to his usual static role of part time treasure hunter turned adventurer, where he sometimes has a guardian status.
It's not too hard to believe that when he's away from Angel Island he keeps the Master Emerald hidden in that place where cartoon animals who don't wear clothes store their valuables. 0_o After all, he somehow stored it away on himself in SA2.
Maybe Knuckles actually thought that guarding somethinng by yourself 24/7 will make you go insane. And therefore after Sonic Heroes, he decided to take a chance and start being a little more social.
Or maybe one day he just wondered why the hell he was guarding it, I mean other than disabling the Chaos Emeralds it just keeps Angel Island afloat, and that place seems uninhabited to me. There's no reason to keep it afloat.
Of course I'm wrong, but still...
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It's the fact that they keep sticking him in games where he's not playable without having the M.E. or Angel Island around that's silly.
That's just an extention of fanservice without taking more time to incorperate him as a playable character.
Sega: Well, we have a deadline and we can't figure out how to make this character playable so let's give them a 5 minute cameo to please the fanbase!
*Knuckles sits in front of the emerald altar when suddenly Sonic arrives in the Tornado*
Sonic: "Hey Knuckles! Wanna come with me play some videogames?"
Knuckles: "Huh? Sonic? You know I can't come, I have the sworn duty of protecting the Master Emerald!"
Sonic: "Sheesh.. you don't understand, do you? The only reason your ancestors protected that thing is because Chaos was inside it, they had to prevent anyone from breaking the emerald and thus releasing him!
Now that Chaos is free but no longer goes on mad world-destroying rampages there isn't a real reason to guard the emerald anymore, is there?"
Knuckles: "Huh.. uh, yeah, I think."
Sonic: "See? So let's go have some fun!"
Knuckles: "Are you sure it's alright, Sonic?"
Sonic: "Why, of course! Trust me, there is no reason to worry!"
Knuckles: "Hmm.. if you say so, I'll come."
Who says it's Eggman who's got to trick Knuckles? 😛
I'll have to make a comic out of this one day.
I think Knuckles does good stuff. If someone out side of Angel Island needs help Knuckles isn't just going to leave them.
"Too bad, Tails. I know Eggman is going to conquer the entire universe and turn us all into robots, but I have to protect the Master Emerald and Angel Island."
He would never do that. Also in Advance 1, 2, Riders, and Shadow, I think Knuckles was more interested in gaurding the chaos emeralds a long forgotten Sonic 3 plot.
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Who says it's Eggman who's got to trick Knuckles? 😛
Point, but Knuckles almost never believes Sonic. I think he'd listen to anyone else first. ^_~
Now that I think about it, maybe he does guard the Master Emerald.
Do you really think that each Sonic story happens day after day of each other? There has to be a nice breath of time among each event that occurs -- so maybe Knuckles leaves his duty to someone else, or knows that the biggest threat at hand is whatever is going on (when an event does happen) -- therefore, he gets up and helps out our typical set of heroes.
Um, im not trying to push this off topic. But if Chaos killed the last of Knux's race million of years ago, How is Knux alive and watch the M.E.?.....
Someone wiling to explane THAT?
Nope, I don't think events happen right after the other. I do agree that if people did "in-between" stories that yes Knuckles would be guarding the M.E. However, I think the purpose is to be concerned with Knuckles doing any guarding (or attempted guarding) during the games themselves--not what happens "off screen."
And no, Chaos didn't wipe out every echidna on Earth a few thousand (not million) years ago.
We don't know. We are never likely to know until the powers that be are going to let Knuckles wield a gun to find out his dark and troubled past...
You could imagine that when the Chaos Emeralds split that it somehow caused Chaos Control (which spilt apart the planet in Sonic Advance 3) and Angel Island was ripped from the planet. It is possible that Knuckles actually lived with his parents and they died before the Death Egg crash landed on Angel Island. I stress all of this is theory though.
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There has to be a nice breath of time among each event that occurs -- so maybe Knuckles leaves his duty to someone else, or knows that the biggest threat at hand is whatever is going on (when an event does happen) -- therefore, he gets up and helps out our typical set of heroes.
The Chaotix have to be doing something on the island, surely? A little ME babysitting when Knux gets bored sounds ideal to me 
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Thanks for the corections True. Knuckles barley met the Chaotix in SH. And they have to earn his trust. 'sides, Vector whould probley sell the M.E. for money with Charmy helping him.
Um, im not trying to push this off topic. But if Chaos killed the last of Knux's race million of years ago, How is Knux alive and watch the M.E.?.....
First off, it was only 3000 years ago. Second, Chaos destroyed the echidna civilization. And as any Native American will tell you, you don't have to destroy the entire race to destroy its society.
0.0; It sound like your biteing my head off there Sonic V2. But that's just my 14 year old mind. And if if my SADX disk still worked i whould of played it and figured it out. And i do know that you don't have to kill an entire race to kill it's society. Beacause Im part native american (cheekrokie, or how ever the heck you spell it. :P)
And the moral of this post is not to type things at 1:9 am on a school day (Or night, Whatever).
I seriously think that Knuckles is kept alive by unnatural means. Like the Master Emerald. It is rumored to have a consiousness of it's own (or it just could be Tikal and Chaos). Knux is also very strong. How is he that strong?
All the echidna warriors were all like "AHHH!! It's a monster!!" and they died. But Knux is like "Hell no!" and has three boss battles with the beast.
Then again, a small part of the society must've survived, and interbred (yuck) to forever guard the Master Emerald.
That's how I see it. Maybe in the future, SEGA will finally reveal WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH KNUX?!?! I mean, at least in SaTaM, they explained Tails and Sonic, so why not Knux's family?
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All the echidna warriors were all like "AHHH!! It's a monster!!" and they died. But Knux is like "Hell no!" and has three boss battles with the beast.
The Echidna Warriors faced Perfect Chaos. He appeared before them as Chaos Zero, then you see the chaos emeralds spin around him (if I remember correctly) and a blinding flash.
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All the echidna warriors were all like "AHHH!! It's a monster!!" and they died. But Knux is like "Hell no!"-
Just because he's black (or Sega wants us to think that if he was human he would be) you assume he has to say things like "Hell no!"?
For SHAME.
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Knuckles barley met the Chaotix in SH. And they have to earn his trust. 'sides, Vector whould probley sell the M.E. for money with Charmy helping him.
Actually, I could see Vector doing that
I was thinking of Knuckles' Chaotix though - I gather SH pretty much rewrote history (again) on that front.
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It's a good chance that not even the most hard core Sonic fans knew never knew about Chaotix. NO ONE even heard of 32x and game itself only sold only 100 copys from what I heard on the 'net.
So Sega thought it was a good ideal that they should rewrite desine them and forget they even knew him. That was the smartist thing sega did yet.. Even thought I whould LOVED to see them old school IMO. Or as unlockable costumes at least.
Too bad the game was not all that good. 
And Im glad im not the only who can see Vec selling the Me and on a off topic note: Darkwinguk, Your avater is from 'Just us Ducks'. I still have that Ep on tape. And another one that lost. And Goof Troop. Oh what happen to thouse days. 
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It's a good chance that not even the most hard core Sonic fans knew never knew about Chaotix.
Incorrect.
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NO ONE even heard of 32x and game itself only sold only 100 copys from what I heard on the 'net.
Incorrect.
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Too bad the game was not all that good.
Incorrect.
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Incorrect.
WHAT IS DIFFERENCE OF OPINION?
Matt, Care to explane WHY my stuff is incorrect? 
SH was not bad, but not good at the same time.
Post reasons why you dislike what i type rather thean saying it incorrect.
I think he was talking about Knuckles Chaotix =.
The reason why he says it's incorrect, is because the majority of the hardcore Sonic fanbase knew of the Chaotix and a great deal more then 100 people bought the game. A lot of the casual fans would have also known about the Chaotix due to their appearances in other media years before Sonic Heroes, notacibly the Archie and Fleetway comics.
And besides, enough people already knew of Knuckles Chaotix, its just that the console it was on sold utter crap. It didn't stop a majority of people to want to see the game ported onto Sonic Gems or for them to have played it through emulation.
As for whether or not Sonic Heroes was any good is a matter of opinion. I for one disliked the need to play through the game four times with roughly the same character abilities and a lack of proper, notacible multiple paths. I also hated the un-originality in the bosses of Robot Storm and Carnival (or whatever they were called), when you just did a mash up and kill enemies, and the casino levels could be glitchy at times and unresponsive to controls, pulling you towards pits. The controls of the special stages and the lack of fluidity with control on the ceiling of the special stages was awful too.
I still found the first level quite fun though and enjoyed the Sonic Adventure references.
What Pachamac said. The Chaotix weren't some "holy grail of Sonicdom" like you were trying to imply, anyone who was more than a casual Sonic fan would have at least known of them - and no offence intended, but you've got to be pretty thick to believe that a game would only sell one hundred copies total.
I'll apologize for the third incorrect, even though I thought that Chaotix was a fantastic game and Heroes was a decent game, although not one of Sonic's best.
I knew of Knuckles Chaotix before Sonic Heroes. In fact, I was rather disappointed when they didn't include Mighty in SH.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Chaotix the game with that massive red Metal Sonic, or am I thinking of something else.
Yeah, he was the end-of-game boss.
first of all, Whean I used to surf the net for info on Chaotix,I found Very little info about it. But the websites i found told me that the 32X was a very ill fated game system.
And the fact that i was 9-10, I can laugh at my self for beliveing that. I also heard the Chaotix only sold 100 but it was just a rumor. I don't belive in things with out proof. I should of typed that down, but whean it's almost 2 in the moreing you don't think corractly.
Heros was a half and half game to me. I liked it because Chaotix was in it. That made me think that the other forgotten ones was comeing back. I STILL FAITH THEY WILL RETURN! The bad thing was the craptastic lines, glinches and the bland robots. (your talking about the egg prawns,patch.)
So,long story short, I forgive you and it's all behind us.
And sailor, Mighty was (is) a travaler and due to the fact that he was a recoulor of a sonic 1 sprite (Also a rumor but compare the two sprites) the creater of mighty took the right to him whean he left. (also a rumor. its not, how do the comic still use him?) and the fact that most people think that hes a sonic and knuckles clone - LIES! sega sonic arcade was released years before sonic 3 was releashed. So knux is the clone!sonic clone? maybe. knuckles clone? no. Look at he released dates here. and your right about the metal sonic. he was sometype of meltixx thing of ma jig.
(my space bar is acting funny for some reason.sorry about that.)
I was not solely talking about the "Egg Pawn" enemies, but rather the bosses that included those enemies plus more, such as the turtles. On a whole I like the Egg Pawns, but found having bosses that were just a whole collection of them trite and boring.
And may I add that your constant excuse of 'typing too early in the morning, thus explaining the poor posting' as irritating and unbelievable. If it really is the case, then don't post at such a time. If it isn't, then stop using it as an excuse. It's getting repetitive.
Seconded. If you can't be coherent when you post then don't post at all. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say in your second-last paragraph.
They could've easily have put Mighty in Big's place in SH, just as they could've put Fang in SA2, rather than Rouge.
Am I the only one who's getting sick of the whole "one or more new characters in every new game" thing?
I've never played Heroes, but Big wasn't "new" in Heroes so replacing him with Mighty wouldn't have constituted replacing a new character with an old one.
Fang doesn't have abilities similar to Knuckles. So, while I agree that Fang and Rouge have similar personality traits (though I don't see Fang getting along with Shadow the way Rouge did or Fang being a "spy"), it's the fact that Fang can't do the things Knuckles does that would've made him unattractive for what Sonic Team did in SA2.
Oh, and for plenty of the "there's too many characters" discussion, this is your topic.
but whean it's almost 2 in the moreing you don't think corractly.
What Pach and Matt said. Geez obviosuly at 2 in the morning you don't spell correctly either, eh? But enough of that.
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I've never played Heroes, but Big wasn't "new" in Heroes so replacing him with Mighty wouldn't have constituted replacing a new character with an old one.
Fang doesn't have abilities similar to Knuckles. So, while I agree that Fang and Rouge have similar personality traits (though I don't see Fang getting along with Shadow the way Rouge did or Fang being a "spy"
, it's the fact that Fang can't do the things Knuckles does that would've made him unattractive for what Sonic Team did in SA2.
True and true.
But I still want to see Fang return along with his Marvelous Queen.
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But I still want to see Fang return along with his Marvelous Queen.
Okay, Fang, yes. Marvelous Queen? Sorry, you lost me. What?
Marvelous Queen is the name of the goofy little hover-scooter Fang rides around in Triple Trouble.
'Marvelous queen' is the name of his hover bike. Like Eggman's hover bike in Riders. Edit: Wonderbat beat me Seconds after i post.
Quite a stubborn piece of machinery to destroy, too. I remember it took me longer to destroy it than any of Eggy's mechs, except maybe the Meta Junglira(sp?) boss.
Fang has been stuffed into the character limbo folder. Which by now is probably over full. Sega will make a new character to replace Rouge soon enough! Maybe Fang and Rouge should just meet by chance and form a partnership. Although temporary. They both come off as back stabers to me.
WOOPSIE! I ment to edit! Can a mod plese deleate this post? Thanks!
Nack/Fang have the VERY high chance to reappear thean the other Forgotton ones (Mighty, Ray, Bean, Bark, ect) IMO.
His last game apperance was in prototype screen shots of Sonic X-tream. But that was scrapped alone with Nack/Fang. So that won't considered as a game apperance. But that was in '96 or so and Chaotix was made earlyer or so.
And Rouge is just a female rip off of Knux. Aleast Nack/Fang was a tresure hunter but made diffrently thean that slut of a bat Rouge.
Don't Sega know there PLENTY of older people that can apppear rather thean keep makeing pointless people that will only one time.
And off topic: I really think Nack/Rouge can work out as a iteam. They both like Gems, Backstabbing people and willing to swich godd and bad to get was they want.
Im REALLY gonna start a story topic in CI so i can see if my story ideals are not over used. Run for your life!
I didn't know that Knuckles flies. I also didn't know that Rouge was sleeping around with people. ;p Like her or not, she's a lot more than a Knux copy and plays a different role from all the other characters in the cast.
Also, there aren't really a lot of "forgotten" characters. They also don't really fit the roles created for the recent games without going through a major revamp. Sega could totally re-write the characters, but I'd lay odds that a lot of people would complain if they did. When they fit a role of a game, they'll appear.
I don't know...not a lot of forgotten characters, eh?
I was hacking around my emulators out of sheer boredom a few days ago. It was "Sonic the Fighters", btw.
And I came across a few characters that were in it. Now it's common that we find unused sprites in games and all, but the thing was, this character (which I can't name due to the fact that I forgot it) had his (I'm assuming it's a he) character portrait on-screen when you selected him.
Consulting my brother, he mentioned that he must've been playable in the Beta version, carried over onto this one, but somehow left out. Eggman is also playabe via hacking, but everyone knows that one.
Suffice to say, there's still a lot of forgotten characters that need a big reprisal.
And I think I that Knux cannot remember the reason he guards the Master Emerald is because.
A) He suffered a head injury. I feel for him.
B) Someone MADE him forget.
I believe the Master Emerald is hiding something....This whole guardian BS smells pretty fishy....
