Yes, bad mouth a console because ONE version of a multiplatform game is bad. =/

Idiot

Besides, like you can talk about hating the Unleashed Wii version when you flat out said you like Sonic 06. At least Unleashed is playable.

If the best game in a long time from your favourite series comes out and sucks on the only system you own, you have a right to hate the system. No need to call anyone an idiot about it. The Wii version has crappier level design and graphics compared to the XBox/PS3 versions. Not to mention way to much Werehog.

As for Sonic 06, its not like anyone still perfers it over Unleashed since it's been out.

By your "brilliant" logic, the PS2 is a crappy system because its version of Sonic Heroes is sucky compared to the Xbox and GC versions.

By your "brilliant" logic, the GBA is a crappy system because its version of Sonic 1 is sucky compared to the Genesis version.

You shouldn't be calling people idiots regardless.

Yes, bad mouth a console because ONE version of a multiplatform game is bad. =/

I agree, just because a version of a game isn't good, doesn't mean the system's crap. The PS2/Wii version of Unleashed is meant for the less powerful systems, so it of course has less to it.

Idiot

Hey now. No flaming.

Besides, like you can talk about hating the Unleashed Wii version when you flat out said you like Sonic 06. At least Unleashed is playable.

People have different preferences for games. Also, "playable" is a VERY subjective term. I found Unleashed rather unplayable myself.

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Alright...this is the internet. Sense of humor and joking isn't all that obvious. The "Wii is garbage" line, was more than likely an exaggeration trying to show how vastly different the Wii version of Unleashed is compared to the 360/PS3 versions. That's how I take it atleast. And what Doc said...who is anyone to call anyone else an idiot?

Obviously... considering I own a Wii, and talk about Wii games regularly.

As for this...

At least Unleashed is playable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqU7v2tk6_U

Now this guy flows through the game quite smoothly. But unless you know the level like the back of your hand, and can predict every corner turn and jump, there's no way the gaming experience looks anything like that. Turns and corners are sometimes hard to even spot, let alone react to. Sonic crashes left and right...

I'm giving the XBox version a chance because the levels look a lot more dynamic, and it's pretty much the game that was seen on the trailers. The Wii version just seems like a broken down, half-*** version of the Xbox version, which isn't really fair, because in my honest opinion, compared to what I've seen on the Wii before, it seems very capable of handling graphics to the level of 360 Unleashed. I mean, just look at Sonic's 3D model in Brawl. Then look at it in Wii Unleashed. His brawl model looks almost as smooth and detailed as 360 Unleashed and Sonic 06.

As for Sonic 06 being unplayable... I really don't see where that deduction comes from. It plays just like the Sonic Adventure games. They honestly could have just called it SA3. I

Now this guy flows through the game quite smoothly. But unless you know the level like the back of your hand, and can predict every corner turn and jump, there's no way the gaming experience looks anything like that.

That's true even in the PS3 / 360 Version. If you don't have fast reflexes and or know where you're going you'll likely die on any given level. To make it through the stage smoothly you'll have to memorize the level. You'll get it right on your fourth or fifth run through.

Favorite Ragequit Stage: Jungle Joyride Act 1. Boost is pretty much required for one part. If you die they give you just enough Boost to make it to the next landmass maybe. Still love Abadat, though. It's a love-hate relationship.

As for Sonic 06 being unplayable... I really don't see where that deduction comes from. It plays just like the Sonic Adventure games. They honestly could have just called it SA3. I

Have you played Sonic 2006? Figuring out what's wrong with the game takes actually having it in your hands and playing it for a while from a gameplay perspective. However long you can take it, at least. It looks pretty nice from screen shots and video footage but the game's obviously unfinished / unpolished / ect. Moreso then other recent Sonic Titles.

I played Sonic 06 from beginning to end. Honestly, aside from a few parts in Silver's levels, I found nothing wrong with the game on a gameplay aspect. Like I said before, it played just like the Sonic Adventure games. If anything, smoother.

Sure, you're gonna mess up and die on your first few runs of a Sonic game. That really wasn't so much my problem with Unleashed. In fact, for the time that I did give it, I never died once. There really weren't many deadly obstacles like spikes, or death drops. Sure, there were badniks, but since the game pretty much played itself, they didn't pose much of a threat since they were pretty much gone before you even realized they were there.

There really wasn't much of a sense of, "I can get killed and lose," danger in the game to me. It really was just primarily focused on one aspect alone. Speed, and the satisfaction of it. And well, for me it was more frustration than satisfaction. That style of gameplay for me, was more enjoyable in short bursts, such as the speed sections in the Sonic 06 levels. They actually played very similar to Unleashed, and I did enjoy them. But having an entire game play that way? Eh...

Now going back to any "final level" of a Sonic game previously beaten, is actually considerably easy. But when progressing through those final two or three stages of a Sonic game, I'd recall the one repetitive factor that has stayed consistent throughout the Sonic series. Sweaty palms. Y'know? That feeling of suspense. The threat of death. Running down a narrow path, swarming with badniks and homing missiles over a death drop. Small platforms really far apart... and then finally, solid ground up ahead! Just over that ledge, where some giant badnik awaits to knock you right off upon landing if you don't kill him at just the right angle on the way down! It's a common aspect we've seen in the Adventure games, and even oldschool Sonic.

In Sonic Unleashed, you're kinda just running. Your biggest concern is losing momentum. The control scheme in Sonic 06 was pretty much the same as its always been. Your goal is to control Sonic and beat the level and game yourself. Sonic Unleashed, they game is pretty much playing itself. It's nearly impossible to die. The only real control you have over the game is how smoothly he gets to the end of the level. But getting to the end of the level is just as standard as the sun rising and setting. It just seems more like an amusing mini-game at best.

The better response would've been either "wow... sonic games are se!" or "wow... Sega can't code for s!" competent programmers will make use of the system they've got to the best of their abilities. Also unless living in a protective bubble away from the internets, i can't believe that it took someone this long to notice the fact that the same multiplatform game might run somewhat differently upon another console

Also the original post does appear to have that fanboy trashing of a console because they made the wrong decision between getting a wii or a 360/ps3.

This is exactly the reason I'm a WiiS3 guy...best of both worlds.

I've been buying Nintendo Systems since the beginning. Once Sega was out of the console race, Nintendo systems have always been second to none on my priority list. I follow far more first party Nintendo titles more than anything else. I play a wide variety of games on every console. But the only series that's not on Nintendo systems that I actually follow closely is Armored Core. But I've been falling behind on it lately.

Sonic however, is a big influence on where my priority is. One major console is usually left out of my collection every generation simply due to the fact that it's not worth the money IMO to get three consoles, when you can get just about every worthwhile game on two. Last gen is was PS2 and Gamecube. This gen, it looks like my second choice is gonna be the 360, because I really think that for this gen, the Wii is not Sonic's console at all.

Last gen, we had a few multi-console Sonic titles. But if you wanted them all, the Gamecube was where it was at. This time around, it seems like it's everything BUT the Wii. First we got Sonic 06 for the other two consoles, and Secret Rings for the Wii. So basically, The other two got the real next installment to the series, and Wii just got a little side-project experimental game. Booooo.

Then Unleashed came out. And man, when I saw the trailers, (despite the God awful things I saw about the game), I was blown away. So I bought it for the Wii... and here I am saying... wait a second. This can't be the same game that I saw on the trailer. The levels were ridiculously short, and the graphics looked worse than most last gen Sonic titles.

So it just seems like the other consoles essentially got Unleashed. And Wii got shafted again. From what I've heard the Wii version of Sonic All Stars Racing looks like crap on the Wii compared to XBox 360 and PS3.

So Wii got the Mario/Sonic Olympic games. All I really have to say about them, is that while they aren't particularly bad, I don't think that any Sonic fan is really missing anything special by not getting them.

Now I know the Xbox 360 and PS3 completely outpower the Wii. But come on! I've seen some beautiful graphics on the Wii. I see no reason why there should be any exception in Sonic's case. Even if they can't make it look AS good as the 360 and PS3 versions, they can at least come close. Because Unleashed and Racing barely push the power of either console.

Last gen, we had a few multi-console Sonic titles. But if you wanted
them all, the Gamecube was where it was at. This time around, it seems
like it's everything BUT the Wii. First we got Sonic 06 for the other
two consoles, and Secret Rings for the Wii. So basically, The other two
got the real next installment to the series, and Wii just got a little
side-project experimental game. Booooo.

So the ps3/360 managed to get a train wreck of a game that Sega has all but buried into it the back of their cupboard to forget about and the wii got secret rings, which was a "side experiment" that managed to get a sequel in the "story book" francise, then yes really a bum deal for Wii owners...

Then Unleashed came out. And man, when I saw the trailers, (despite the
God awful things I saw about the game), I was blown away. So I bought
it for the Wii... and here I am saying... wait a second. This can't be
the same game that I saw on the trailer. The levels were ridiculously
short, and the graphics looked worse than most last gen Sonic titles.

Prerendered trailers... , but by know you should know the "cycle of sonic games" off by heart! All of them start off with everyone cheering that Sonic they know and love is back and end in utter disappointment for all!

Also every tom dick and or harry knows that Sega and any other publisher are going to "show" the game in it's best light from their trailers be it graphics/ingame play and cutscenes from console or devkit that renders it the best, only someone foolish would think so otherwise.

So it just seems like the other consoles essentially got Unleashed. And
Wii got shafted again. From what I've heard the Wii version of Sonic
All Stars Racing looks like crap on the Wii compared to XBox 360 and
PS3.

Now I know the Xbox 360 and PS3 completely outpower the Wii. But come
on! I've seen some beautiful graphics on the Wii. I see no reason why
there should be any exception in Sonic's case. Even if they can't make
it look AS good as the 360 and PS3 versions, they can at least come
close. Because Unleashed and Racing barely push the power of either
console.

And there you have it folks, Sega can't code for s***! and not "the Wii is garbage," perhaps the op title should be changed to reflect this truth instead of the unwarranted console bashing and flame-baiting which might've been the catalyst for v2?

The sad state of affairs is that Sega, and a few of the rip-off merchants (Activision, EA and such) enjoy releasing the same game on all 3 consoles and have done so since even the Genesis/SNES or PS1/Saturn era. The fact of the matter is that the Wii is a budget console on par with the PS2 and when companies wish to release multi-platform and refuse to build the Wii version from the ground up, the Wii one will be bad.

But this said, MOST games released on all three platforms are bad as a standard. I tend to think that if a game is released on all formats, then it's a cash cow and the developers expect it to sell regardless of it's reviews and standard.

Firstly, I would go on record saying that financially and critically Secret Rings and Black Knight are a thousand times the game that Sonic 2006 was. Ignoring that the entire franchise has all but said "THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN... But we're keeping Silver anyway", the game met the worst reviews both publically and industry based since the Sonic 1 Genesis fiasco. There are entire YouTube videos dedicated to how unplayably bad Sonic 2006 is (infamous ones, such as the 10 minutes of loading times one and the "die every 10 seconds chase level" videos were deleted from YouTube by Sega themselves).

I didn't care for Secret Rings too much, but I think Black Knight happens to be the best Sonic game since Rush in 2005.

So to cut a long story short: OF COURSE UNLEASHED IS BETTER ON THE PS3/60. WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU EXPECTING? They have better processing power and graphic engines, if they released the same game on all 3 it would look disgraceful on the next gen consoles.

Sega did at least advertize that the PS2/Wii versions were different games to the PS3/60 ones. If you saw this and thought the Wii one would be superior due to the Gamecube versions being better than the PS2 versions in the previous generation, that's just ignorance on your behalf and no fault to the system you wished to purchase it on.

It'd be like being confused that the Genesis version of Sonic 1 is so much better than the Master System one.

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Also, once again. Multi-platform games = decreased quality. Good graphics on the Wii are reserved for games developed exclusively for the Wii... or in Silent Hill's case "Developed for the Wii and then backtracked to fit on the PSP".

Obligatory "All Sonic games are awful" bash goes here.

Last gen, we had a few multi-console Sonic titles. But if you wanted
them all, the Gamecube was where it was at. This time around, it seems
like it's everything BUT the Wii. First we got Sonic 06 for the other
two consoles, and Secret Rings for the Wii. So basically, The other two
got the real next installment to the series, and Wii just got a little
side-project experimental game. Booooo.

So the ps3/360 managed to get a train wreck of a game that Sega has all but buried into it the back of their cupboard to forget about and the wii got secret rings, which was a "side experiment" that managed to get a sequel in the "story book" francise, then yes really a bum deal for Wii owners...

Then Unleashed came out. And man, when I saw the trailers, (despite the
God awful things I saw about the game), I was blown away. So I bought
it for the Wii... and here I am saying... wait a second. This can't be
the same game that I saw on the trailer. The levels were ridiculously
short, and the graphics looked worse than most last gen Sonic titles.

Prerendered trailers... , but by know you should know the "cycle of sonic games" off by heart! All of them start off with everyone cheering that Sonic they know and love is back and end in utter disappointment for all!

Also every tom dick and or harry knows that Sega and any other publisher are going to "show" the game in it's best light from their trailers be it graphics/ingame play and cutscenes from console or devkit that renders it the best, only someone foolish would think so otherwise.

So it just seems like the other consoles essentially got Unleashed. And
Wii got shafted again. From what I've heard the Wii version of Sonic
All Stars Racing looks like crap on the Wii compared to XBox 360 and
PS3.

Now I know the Xbox 360 and PS3 completely outpower the Wii. But come
on! I've seen some beautiful graphics on the Wii. I see no reason why
there should be any exception in Sonic's case. Even if they can't make
it look AS good as the 360 and PS3 versions, they can at least come
close. Because Unleashed and Racing barely push the power of either
console.

And there you have it folks, Sega can't code for s! and not "the Wii is garbage," perhaps the op title should be changed to reflect this truth instead of the unwarranted console bashing and flame-baiting which might've been the catalyst for v2?

Just for the record, Black Knight got horrible reviews, from reviewers who actually had nice things to say about Unleashed and Secret Rings.

"Well what do you expect!!!! The XBox 360 and PS3 are more powerful! Of course Sega is gonna only show the BEST looking one!"

Of course, but all I'm saying is that the final result of the Wii version could have been JUST AS good as the other two versions. Especially considering how good Black Knight looked. And wait... who programmed that? Oooooh that's right. Sega!!! The guys who can't program for *.

Personally though, I don't even feel that the lackluster graphics are where we Wii owners were really shafted. I think more so we were hurt because Sonic's levels appear to be about half as long on the Wii version, than on the XBox and PS3 one, when they simply could have made them just as long. The one part where I am guilty, is that I didn't do my research on Sega admitting that the Wii version would be a different game. I didn't do much research. Aside from PS2 versions looking slightly different from the other consoles last gen, in Sonic games, you were essentially getting the same game on each console. And because I have seen first hand that Sega themselves are capable of making Sonic games look nearly as good on the Wii as Unleashed does on the 360... I just assumed that they'd be fair to the Wii.

Now, Nuke, I really gotta question the nature of these posts.

Man, the whole point of this topic was that I, the seemingly one person who didn't think Sega even came close to saving the series with the gimmicky Unleashed, maybe but rather went in a completely off direction, MAYBE just might enjoy it on another console, and WANTS to give it another chance, so that MAYBE I can get what everyone was saying...

Also the original post does appear to have that fanboy trashing of a
console because they made the wrong decision between getting a wii or a
360/ps3.

Now I really have to question this statement here, because you seem to be getting angry every time I say anything that you view as negative about the Wii.

Edit: There, I changed the topic title so no one is "offended" anymore.

Man, the whole point of this topic was that I, the seemingly one
person who didn't think Sega even came close to saving the series with
the gimmicky Unleashed, maybe but rather went in a completely off
direction, MAYBE just might enjoy it on another console, and WANTS to
give it another chance, so that MAYBE I can get what everyone was
saying...

Thus would've been a good start towards an opening statement for the thread

Also the original post does appear to have that fanboy trashing of a
console because they made the wrong decision between getting a wii or a
360/ps3.

Now
I really have to question this statement here, because you seem to be
getting angry every time I say anything that you view as negative about
the Wii.

Edit: There, I changed the topic title so no one is "offended" anymore.

Questioning my first statement in that I was "getting angry every time" when compared to my null comment?? wut.

Clearly the word you were looking for to describe my emotions would've perhaps been "total and utter indifference."

Also the topic changing has done nothing to improve the original post
other than to make it seem more childish now as you read the reactions
and discussions throughout the thread.

and multi-quote!

admiral says: don't look at reviews and trailers with regards to any sonic game ever! you'll only end up sad and disappointed in the end

Oes noes. Internet insults.

I'm out. Peace.

Can we lock this thread now since it has used up it's uselessness?

Oes noes. Internet insults.

What, where? are you actually reading the same thread here?

Everyone was trying to get to the bottom of meaning of the the initial
post, which after several posts we have just about managed to so... wut?

HAHA! Admiral is correct. Funny because most games I love the reviews are always more negative than positive. Anywho...let's be civil, alright? No need for smart a comments and whatnot. For whatever reason...console bashing/flaming[not that any of that has been going on...im just saying, ok?] is like...talking about one someone's wife[which for me, ironically enough, is a console]. We get so offended and I mean...I take pride in my consoles and I think it's really cool that we do. I mean it's something lots of us as gamers growing up have developed over the years. Power to the Nerds!!

m/ >.< m/

how i see it, the wii is good if you like japanese games more and smashing type of games.. and use new age controllers.... i guess that makes it more cool and fun.
the ps3 ... i don't know, seemes like a repetative thing.. i don't even bother looking at it's games.

the only reason i bought the xbox is cause i'm more of a first player shooter, i get little rpgs which is good since i can't afford to buy much .. and this way i can control my expenses.

well that's how i see it. but man is that free wireless controller a piece of crap! i hate it when the controller disconnects. do you know how many times i had to die using silver in sonic adventure, it's so unfair