Pay to play with the opposite sex!
Am I the only one who nearly fell out the chair laughing?
Pay to play with the opposite sex!
Am I the only one who nearly fell out the chair laughing?
I wouldn't know. But I didn't find it particularily funny, though it is quite strange.
But consider that popular opinion among guys and girls alike doesn't seem to expect a lot of girls to be genuinely into video games... some say "girls grow out of video games sooner" as if a medium of entertainment could be inherently immature. Then a guy who hears mostly that perspective, doesn't know a lot of girl gamers in person, etc... understandable that they'd buy into it. Ironic that many participants of this site are examples of girls who are into video games, assuming they aren't just pretending to be girls and/or pretending to be into video games. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a reasonable assumption, but since the Internet is often viewed as a medium where people to pretend to be who they aren't, it's also understandable that people would doubt the sincerety of things said on the Internet.
Of course, that's only addressing the "people don't expect many girls to play video games without being paid to" side of things. Then there's the step of the appeal of playing video games with girls. Well, obviously not all gamers are complete loners, but a lot of them are, and you only need a large demographic to tap into if you're a business. And maybe there is just an appeal by association to some guys... you get to interact with flirty girls, even if in a digital manner, while still indulging in your hobby. I probably wouldn't use it, but I don't think we should be very judgemental towards those who would.
And I though this was about Video Game Crushes?
[sniffs] And I was going to go image heavy on Chun-Li pics ;___;
And I though this was about Video Game Crushes?
I initially thought that too, actually, despite having heard of the topic's story before...
*has flashbacks of Wesu's Kasumi obsession from way back when*
yea but don't those topics just crop up every few months or so? Maybe you guys should get a sticky, lol.
Those kinda topics tend to become sticky all on their own :3
Those kinda topics tend to become sticky all on their own :3
LET'S GET STICKY!
Ironic that many participants of this site are examples of girls who are into video games, assuming they aren't just pretending to be girls and/or pretending to be into video games. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a reasonable assumption, but since the Internet is often viewed as a medium where people to pretend to be who they aren't, it's also understandable that people would doubt the sincerety of things said on the Internet.
i think most gamer girls are into rpgs though for the anime cutscens and all. i think to phrase it better you cant find a lot of girls interested or good at the other types of gaming. for example Halo or gears of war as mentioned on the site. and even though i personally do go for those types of games, i know i'm not a hardcore fan like a guy would be.
as for the main topic, well...... i have a problem with it. it seems wrong.
if it was a bunch of girls being hired by the company of the game to chat with the gamers and get paid by the company for it then its a cool real job.
but to get paid by indivual men to talk to them and be choosen by them ... it sounds creepy 
Ironic that many participants of this site are examples of girls who are into video games, assuming they aren't just pretending to be girls and/or pretending to be into video games. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a reasonable assumption, but since the Internet is often viewed as a medium where people to pretend to be who they aren't, it's also understandable that people would doubt the sincerety of things said on the Internet.
i think most gamer girls are into rpgs though for the anime cutscens and all. i think to phrase it better you cant find a lot of girls interested or good at the other types of gaming. for example Halo or gears of war as mentioned on the site. and even though i personally do go for those types of games, i know i'm not a hardcore fan like a guy would be.
Knew this one girl who smoked all my friends at Marvel vs CAPCOM 2 for the X-Box. Girls can play games on par or even better than guys.
... But they don't because they hate to see us guys cry! #>.>#
"i think most gamer girls are into rpgs though for the anime cutscens and all."
What do you base this on? I agree there's probably some gender difference within gaming as to favourite types of gaming, but that still wouldn't answer the question of which genders would tend to prefer which kinds of games... it's also a bit ironic to claim, on a site with many female participants, about a game series of the platformer genre, that most gamer girls are into RPGs. Then again this site could have all kinds of reasons to be an unrepresentative sample of that and not everyone on this site is here because of Sonic. (Jimro's supposedly an example of someone who isn't...)
"i think to phrase it better you cant find a lot of girls interested or good at the other types of gaming."
"A lot of" in what sense? I'm guessing one could find lots of girls interested in other types of gaming on gaming sites, and presumably many of those would be quite skilled as well.
"for example Halo or gears of war as mentioned on the site. and even though i personally do go for those types of games, i know i'm not a hardcore fan like a guy would be."
Like "a guy" would be? I'm a guy, yet I'm not even a fan of those series. (Haven't even tried gears of war... though I did play a little bit of Halo at a LAN party.) At the very least, it should be looked at on a more individual level. Even if you're not a hardcore fan, that doesn't mean you should assume other girls wouldn't be.
"if it was a bunch of girls being hired by the company of the game to chat with the gamers and get paid by the company for it then its a cool real job.
but to get paid by indivual men to talk to them and be choosen by them ... it sounds creepy"
... why exactly?
My girlfriend could throughly humiliate me at Mortal Kombat, is more accomplished at God of War, and has far more experience than me with strategy RPGs.
guys honestly, any other girl will tell you, there's more guy gamers then girls, and those girl gamers are mostly into the RPG type of gaming. story, cute/attractive designs and character are important more so then the action. in general finding a hardcore action gamer girl isnt that easy, so i think that's why this whole gamecrush idea was made. so guys can finally talk to a girl interested in their type of games.
i swear i'm starting to think the words "some" "generalization" dont mean a thing these days.
"My girlfriend could throughly humiliate me at Mortal Kombat, is more accomplished at God of War, and has far more experience than me with strategy RPGs"
but is she a hardcore fan? will she go buy every action figure and build a miniture layout of the level and play with the action figures and give them names and such?
i'm still trying to understand why some guys do that
Is she a hardcore fan? will she go buy every action figure and build a miniture layout of the level and play with the action figures and give them names and such?
I have never seen such behavior in her, but I think it has more to do with lack of funds rather than lack of interest. She definitely strikes as a potential collector if she had the finances. I honestly have no idea what the "typical" female gamer is like, if such a thing even exists, but I can confidently say that my girlfriend is nothing like the stereotypes. I daresay she is more "hardcore" that I have ever been.
I would also like to note that of the gamers I have known in real-life, the sex-ratio is close to 50:50.
guys honestly, any other girl will tell you, there's more guy gamers then girls, and those girl gamers are mostly into the RPG type of gaming. story, cute/attractive designs and character are important more so then the action. in general finding a hardcore action gamer girl isnt that easy, so i think that's why this whole gamecrush idea was made. so guys can finally talk to a girl interested in their type of games.
i swear i'm starting to think the words "some" "generalization" dont mean a thing these days.
"My girlfriend could throughly humiliate me at Mortal Kombat, is more accomplished at God of War, and has far more experience than me with strategy RPGs"
but is she a hardcore fan? will she go buy every action figure and build a miniture layout of the level and play with the action figures and give them names and such?
i'm still trying to understand why some guys do that
... because they're interested enough in the games that they might want to play them in a non-digital way? o.o
Also, I wasn't so much comparing "girl gamers" to "guy gamers" as comparing "girl gamers" to "how many girls people generally expect to be into video games." And even that comparison was more so from a guessing perspective. Obviously guy gamers outnumber girl gamers, but not to quite the same extent as people think. Well, again, that's more so based on the ideas I mentioned in my initial post in this thread...
Anyway I was talking to sonicsfan1991 about this in chat. She said she wouldn't want the screenshots posted but wouldn't mind me paraphrasing. So:
- She compared RPGs to barbie girls, even though barbies are perceived as toys for girls and RPGs are a genre of video games, and video games are perceived as toys for guys. She then said something about how I should've already "noticed" the thing about girls preferring RPGs... and I pointed out that "noticing" something doesn't make it true. I pointed out that I "noticed" that on GS, female users seemed to have Mario and Zelda avatars/sigs more so than male users. She suggested that in that case as well, the appeal to girls was in that Mario and Zelda games were cute. So the implied idea was that for Mario games, Zelda games, and RPGs, the "cuteness" is a stronger factor in the appeal for girls than the gameplay.
- She later asked me how old I was, I mentioned that I was 20, and she said I'm still young and that talking to more girls (there's probably people much younger than me who have probably talked to girls a lot more than I have) would make me see it the way she sees it. I said that even if it did, that still wouldn't make seeing it that way correct, since girls I talk to are an unrepresentative sample, and science would give a more meaningful understanding of gender differences than "personal experience" ever could. (As in, if I were to learn more actual psychology.) I mentioned stuff like time dilation, the shape of the world, etc... examples of how what we think we're "experiencing" isn't necessarily the reality of our world in the first place.
- After said tangent we eventually got back to the subject of cuteness in video games. I mentioned how even the stereotype that girls are more into cuteness than guys are is probably fairly reasonable, since even from a scientific perspective, girls tend to be less aggressive and more nurturing than guys. But I then added how that still wouldn't imply that the cuteness of cutesy games was the main appeal to girls who played them. And then someone else entered the chat and sonicsfan1991 was talking to said user afterwards.
"She definitely strikes as a potential collector if she had the finances. I honestly have no idea what the "typical" female gamer is like, if such a thing even exists, but I can confidently say that my girlfriend is nothing like the stereotypes. I daresay she is more "hardcore" that I have ever been."
well she sounds fun and not typical at all 
"She later asked me how old I was, I mentioned that I was 20, and she said I'm still young"
even though you took my permission to post our conversation i didnt think you'd mention that part 
and i called you young cause of how presistent you are about getting your views through.
as for the barbie thing, i was trying to explain how most girls go for cute things, rough games with unattractive main characters will get less attention by most girls.
"And then someone else entered the chat and sonicsfan1991 was talking to said user afterwards"
and i called you young cause of how presistent you are about getting your views through.
as for the barbie thing, i was trying to explain how most girls go for cute things, rough games with unattractive main characters will get less attention by most girls.
"Presistent"? Do you mean persistent, or something else?
As for the "going for cute" things, are you saying it's more so that girls feel pulled towards cutesy games, or that they're more so pushed away from intense games? And for that matter, are you suggesting that in such cases the cuteness is the main appeal more so than gameplay, or that roughness is the main deterrent more so than gameplay flaws, etc...?
I am not sure I would agree with the notion that MOST girls are attracted to cute things, or that such attraction is even significantly more common among females.
I am not sure I would agree with the notion that MOST girls are attracted to cute things, or that such attraction is even significantly more common among females.
The stereotype isn't entirely unreasonable; IIRC from introductory psychology, males are more aggressive and less nurturing than females are. So the idea of girls being more fond of cuteness than guys would be makes sense. Though I wonder what you mean when you say you doubt the idea that most girls are attracted to cute things... I'm guessing most people, male or female are at least somewhat attracted to cute things. Even as a guy I see a lot of appeal in cutesy stuff like youtube cat videos, though it would be projection to just expect others to just because I do...
Where are the girl gamers in question and why haven't they posed in this chat to either clarify or agree?
Come on, this is turning into a total sausage fest (Of manly discussion about the nature of girl gamers that is)!
... >>;
Where are the girl gamers
Playing games.
gamma! Psxphile!
are you saying i'm not a girl? i was replying wasnt i??
Where are the girl gamers
Playing games.
Dem Teases! >= (
Though I wonder what you mean when you say you doubt the idea that most girls are attracted to cute things.
I must admit that part of my uncertainty is due to ignorance on the subject of psychology and gender. I also cannot help but wonder what of traditional notions of masculinity and femininity is truly innate and what of it is merely the product of a sexist culture.
Though I wonder what you mean when you say you doubt the idea that most girls are attracted to cute things.
I must admit that part of my uncertainty is due to ignorance on the subject of psychology and gender. I also cannot help but wonder what of traditional notions of masculinity and femininity is truly innate and what of it is merely the product of a sexist culture.
Yeah, often what society blames something for has more to do with society's response to it than said thing itself would. For me the "gateway argument" blaming cannabis use for hard-drug-use, yet not taking into account the possible blame for exaggeration OF cannabis use, comes to mind.
In this case, the "traditional notions" are obviously arbitrary; longer ago science was less advanced so people had less real reason to know how reality works. But then again, an idea being "modern" doesn't necessarily mean it's much better; if it's some sort of ideology-centric feminist "gender theory" it's not as meaningful as real science... so it's probably best to look to relevant, meaningful sciences like biology, psychology, neuroscience, etc. to distinguish real gender differences from the illusions.
are you saying i'm not a girl?
I just thought you were a very effeminate male.
i was replying wasnt i??
About that... I went over your posts again in this thread and I spotted the odd sentence or two that could indeed allude that you were a girl. But they could also be construed to describe a boy who doesn't consider himself a "guy's guy", so I just fell back on Internet default. Consider me corrected.
About that... I went over your posts again in this thread and I spotted the odd sentence or two that could indeed allude that you were a girl. But they could also be construed to describe a boy who doesn't consider himself a "guy's guy", so I just fell back on Internet default. Consider me corrected.
What do you mean by "Internet default?" Assuming random Internet users to be guys even to the point of assuming that a feminine Internet persona is more likely than a user who is female?
Why, exactly?
Though I must say your earlier "playing games" remark reminded me of a post on GS's "system wars" along the lines of "if your favourite console is so great why aren't you playing it?"
And sonicsfan, just out of curiosty what's that picture from and why'd you use it?
The Hell did this turned into Marble Garden version 2?
Wasn't this thread about some site that was getting guys to play with girls on the internet for a fee? When did that derail into mindless-
Wait..."some site, guys playing against girls on internet for a price."
... Well, I apologize. Just realized how silly I was. Carry On...
The Hell did this turned into Marble Garden version 2?
Wasn't this thread about some site that was getting guys to play with girls on the internet for a fee? When did that derail into mindless-
Wait..."some site, guys playing against girls on internet for a price."
... Well, I apologize. Just realized how silly I was. Carry On...
Well, it's not like the topic was about just the games themselves, it was also about who is playing them and why... of course some discussion of what this suggests about the real world is going to be involved here. (Though personally, I think even one's interpretation of games reflects on one's interpretation of reality... how, exactly, is a little less obvious, though.)
