Apparently, we're only buying the licence to play it, and passing the disc on afterwards is illegal.
Does Sony just not want people to buy the PS3?
If I had any doubts about NOT buying a PS3 before. They are GONE now.
Wii FTW!
~Rico
Wasn't this very news mentioned earlier, and debunked at that time?
Still, this is a new article, so either we were wrong, or Games Radar's behind the times.
Reminds me of the failed Divx DVD strategy from years back. Not that it's exactly similar to the way you had to "rent" the viewing of a Divx movie even though you owned the disc, but in the attitudes of the corporations backing the strategy that wishes to force this standard down our throats in order to ensure their bottom line and pad their wallets.
I mean, they have every right to do this in an open market. But they're risking a consumer revolt if it backfires.
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Wasn't this very news mentioned earlier, and debunked at that time?
I remember an earlier rumor that Sony was going to use some kind of DRM to tie a game to a specific console, but this new article seems to be different from that one.
This would be hilariously stupid if this turns out to be true, but I had no intent to ever own a PS3 game in the first place. 
So it won't bother me much, just another thing to make me care that much less about anything Sony is doing.
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Apparently, we're only buying the licence to play it, and passing the disc on afterwards is illegal.
I thought such a measure itself would be illegal under uk and eu law.
hmm (remembers xcp stuff that sony did a while back)
Also i never planned on getting a ps3, should it doesn't really affect me.
It's just more "SONY RAPED MY CHILDHOOD" nonsense from the rumor blogs. You know, the same ones that got debunked a year ago. industry experts think it's nonsense too.
Until Sony admits it, treat it as whining from people stupid enough to take offense at Sony.
Technically, this whole "buying a license, not actually owning the software" thing has been around since dinosaurs walked the earth.
If this is true Sony has once again reconfirmed my hatred for capitalism.
Of course I don't intend to buy a PS3 until it falls below 300 USD, so the truth of this rumor will be common knowledge by then.
I regret my "not caring about pS3" poilcy less and less.
Thank you, Sony.
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Technically, this whole "buying a license, not actually owning the software" thing has been around since dinosaurs walked the earth.
Amigasaurus?
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www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3...ionId=1006
So... it could be the US and not Europe, or are they just being cautious?
Hey, wait.
Don't most all PC games come with the same liscence? Read one. It typically says in legalese that you own the disk, but not the content.
Why should it be bad for the PS3 to have the exact same liscence?
EDIT: But I always click "I Agree" and a lot of stores buy/sell used PC games. Am I breaking the law?
The article makes out that you don't own the disc - you just buy a license to be allowed to use it. This is inherently different to what is currently used. Of course, it may be possible to presume that, if this is true, the license could be sold on?
Tactics like this ain't new. Hell, Nintendo tried to squash the rental industry once before.
Let's face it, there are no good guys in this business. Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony don't give a rip about the health of your wallet. The only wallet that matters to them is their own, and if Sony were to actually kill off used gaming for their console, the only reason Microsoft and Nintendo would be pissed off about it is because they didn't do it first. The used game market could die tomorrow and Kutaguri, Balmer and Reggie would all be running shirtless through the streets singing "We Are The Champions".
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If this is true Sony has once again reconfirmed my hatred for capitalism.
WTF?
You say you hate capitalism because you can't sell certain games second-hand due to the actions of a company?
First of all, it's actually more capitalistic for people to be allowed to buy and sell what they want rather than be told what they can and can't buy and sell, since it creates more competition for those companies in terms of sales.
Second of all if not for Capitalism and having things you wouldn't need, would we even be playing games AT ALL? I doubt it, since video games are, technically, something we don't need. Heck, as I said in the MF Central, if not for having things we didn't need and thus games/comics/cartoons we wouldn't have had a reason to come to Sonic HQ at all!
As for the topic at hand, well, yeah that's pretty bad and of course wasteful in the name of being profitable. I even remember reading somewhere before that Sony deliberately made their consoles easily breakable so that people would buy more replacements of them.
But still, if anything not knowing you could sell your games would result in probably not wanting to buy more. I know my sister in St. John's now saw a really good deal for second-hand games and right now I'm trying to think of a game I'd want so I could get one now at a low price like that, rather than later at a higher price. I'd say that motivates me to think of a Gamecube game I want more, and probably since whoever sold it second-hand would have a smaller collection they'd want to go out and buy another GC game for all we know.
Wow. I never heard of Nintendo trying to squash the rental industry... and most of the games I've played on Gamecube I've only rented and never bought! I agree with CastorTroy, there's no good guys in business. As much as I like capitalism and prefer it as an economic system and ideology, even I admit that the people who put profit ahead of everything else are the ones going to make it to the top in it. What is to be assumed from this? That the big 3 are still way up there because they put profit ahead of everything else...
Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony don't give a rip about the health of your wallet.
Actually, Microsoft is not nearly as bad as the other two. They tend not to mind selling their console way below cost, for one thing. And Gates has made it well known that they don't really care about individuals using pirated copies of Windows and Office because most of their software revenue comes from large business customers. Their half-hearted efforts at curbing piracy are mostly done to please shareholders.
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Let's face it, there are no good guys in this business.
What about Gamepark Holdings? Their main product, the GP2X is a handheld with 2 200Mhz ARM9s(Compared to the DS's 66Mhz ARM9/33Mhz ARM 7 combo), costs $200(compared to the PSP's $250), and has a Linux-based firmware which is partly opensource. They make profit on every unit sold, and support Homebrew games and apps. The GP2X has 1000s of games available though emulation and homebrew, and all of them free. If that doesn't make them Good Guys in the gaming business, I don't know what.
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Second of all if not for Capitalism and having things you wouldn't need, would we even be playing games AT ALL? I doubt it, since video games are, technically, something we don't need. Heck, as I said in the MF Central, if not for having things we didn't need and thus games/comics/cartoons we wouldn't have had a reason to come to Sonic HQ at all!
Open source technology produces a lot of things we don't need. Such as free alternatives to Windows and Microsoft Office, or how about a large number of emulators and homebrew games? It's amazing how much unneeded stuff is produced by Communism.
Well, it's just that from what I learn of it in school, collectivism, which would include Communism and Socialism, is associated with having from everyone of their ability to produce to everyone of their need to consume.
But you could say video games might not have necessarily even been thought up if not for capitalism, as capitalism provides automatic incentives to innovate, among other things. (That's coming from my Economics textbook though. As I said in the Chavez thread I'm studying for finals between making posts here so my mindset is slightly influenced by that)
But anyway my point was that you said you hated capitalism, in response to what could be considered a lack thereof. Emulators and fangames? They could count as volunteer-made goods/services, but I wouldn't call them "Communism"...
Unless you, like VRAI51 heard a different definition of Communism than the one I'm used to.
Though I guess I can already understand where you're coming from already to some extent, what with your problem with what large, powerful companies will do to make a profit. Look at Rockstar; Using extremely violent games to get publicity to generate sales so that they end up with the most programmers and the most market power and take that away from developers of more moderate games...
Anyway yeah I kinda already dragged this too far off topic already. I'll try to go back on topic.
As I said, for all we know people who sell their games, since their collection size decreases, might want to go out and buy more games afterwards because it's decreased.
Similarly, if not for the existance of game rentals there would probably be some games that I would not have bought because I would have been uncertain about how good they may have been.
So far there are only 2 Gamecube games I bought without renting first: (this discludes games where I only rented another console's version of it) SADX and F-Zero GX. And I tried the PC demo of SADX before buying the GC full version of it. I remember trying a small demo with my Mario Kart Double Dash rental, of F-Zero GX. I bought SADX hesitantly what with the bad reviews it got, and since I didn't have a chance to rent the game, if I was much more hesitant I probably wouldn't have bought it in the first place. However, if I would have had a chance to rent it a similar if not the same thing would've happened with it as did happen with SA2B. (and thus that wouldn't have happened with SA2B due to experience from SADX) When I bought F-Zero GX I wasn't sure how much I liked it but I could probably say it was better than I thought it would have been, and I was glad I bought it. Again, if I had rented it, I would've probably realized how much better it was than the demo.
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You say you hate capitalism because you can't sell certain games second-hand due to the actions of a company?
I feel obliged to point out, here, that an approach of stopping people reselling things is anti-capitalistic anyway.
It's hardly free market, after all, is it?
Okay I am NOT about to read that massive wall of text. But hmm. I reviewed a liscence for one of my games. I don't speak Legalese well, but hte gist of it is that you own the disk and are just borrowing the content. Of course, maybe different companies use different liscences? Different countries - You're in the UKland? Yes? No? - different stuffs, I don't know. *flee*
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I feel obliged to point out, here, that an approach of stopping people reselling things is anti-capitalistic anyway.
In case you hadn't noticed, that was my POINT. As I remember saying in my post, Jeffery Mewtamer is blaming capitalism for a lack thereof.
If you saw that, why didn't you say, "I agree, it's hardly free market"
If you didn't, I don't see why not, especially since I made that point right after the part you quoted.
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In case you hadn't noticed, that was my POINT. As I remember saying in my post, Jeffery Mewtamer is blaming capitalism for a lack thereof.
If you saw that, why didn't you say, "I agree, it's hardly free market"
If you didn't, I don't see why not, especially since I made that point right after the part you quoted.
Because I was... addressing the guy you were, not you.
Please clarify, this new deal Sony is saying means that now when buying games for the PS3, those who purchase the disk are only buying themselves the right to play a game. Becuase they don't own the the software on the disk, the person who bought it (the disk and the rights to play said disk) can't resale it to a store like GameStop or EB Games to be sold "used," and at a discounted price.
I hate you, Sony. I hope the figure-heads realize that they are going to fail, and probably with a slow and miserable decline. Microsoft gladly loses profit on their consoles buy selling them cheaper than what they are really made for. Nintendo has already proven with development of the Wii that they care about consumers and the games.
It appears as if Sony is telling the world that they are invincible becuase they want to make so many risky bussiness decisions at once!
I'm buying a Gamecube today and throwing my so easily and already broken PS2 away. What's funny is I decided to do that a week ago, before I really knew how (for lack of a better word) stupid Sony was.
Okay, I'm done.
I used to think Bass was just full of s**t when he said the PS3 was going to fail miserably, but if this isn't just a hafl-baked rumour, he might have been right =/
Jesus, some of you are still buying the rumor despite the fact that industry insiders (including the ones Sony supposedly contacted about killing used games) haven't heard anything about? Talk about gullibility...
I did say IF, Troy.
And IF can have a very large meaning, especially on the internets.
Please clarify, this new deal Sony is saying means that now when buying games for the PS3, those who purchase the disk are only buying themselves the right to play a game.
This has pretty much been the rule under the eyes of the law all along, only now they want to enforce it. Allegedly.
I thought of buying a ps3 when the price came down, but now it the furthest thing from my mind. this isn't a good move for sony if you ask me.
Ah, so it's just rumor. Either way, my Gamecube (bought used!) is sitting pretty on my dresser right next to my TV with Metroid Prime (bought used!) inside.
Just curious, but if this rumor were true, do you think Nintendo and Microsoft would follow suit? I'm sorry, but almost every game I own has been bought used, and if I couldn't buy titles budgeted like that, I simply wouldn't be a gamer.
Well Nintendo are even worse about this that Sony apparently are.
I'd doubt this would happen purely because Preowned market is teh hueg. I'm surprised that Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft hasn't actually said that they will buy back old games at a reduced price. Which would allow them to recondition the disc and packaging and sell it again for full price.
Checked back on this thread to see responses and read Mimiichimu's comments.
Well, you say Nintendo cares about their customers... well, I'm fairly sure that they care about making money off selling things to their customers. I think it's more so that their approach to their customers differs for business reasons more so than mindset reasons... I'd say their customer-friendliness might be for a different approach to profit, one that tries to win over customers with image (not doing these kinds of things which probably may scare customers away) rather than take as much money from them at a time, (which is what these kinds of things seem to do) instead create a better image of themselves to get more people to buy their products over a longer period of time, (an approach I prefer) more so than them "caring". Similar thing with them saying they're a gaming company first rather than an electronics company... an example of them being more "specialized" in this market, an example of business reasoning...
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almost every game I own has been bought used, and if I couldn't buy titles budgeted like that, I simply wouldn't be a gamer.
Not even by rentals? I used to rent games for Gamecube before I even owned ANY Gamecube games AT ALL, and as I said earlier most of the Gamecube games I've played I've played only by rental...
By the way, Xagarath Ankor:
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Because I was... addressing the guy you were, not you.
What's that supposed to mean? 
Ok seriously, I don't even know what that means.
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What's that supposed to mean? Ok seriously, I don't even know what that means.
He....he was addressing the same person that you were addressing....he wasn't addressing you.
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he was addressing the same person that you were addressing....he wasn't addressing you.
Ah. I still don't see why he didn't simply quote my comment about it being more capitalistic to buy and sell what they choose to buy and sell, and then say he agreed and add that the way Sony's doing this is "hardly free market"...
Oh well.
