Getting the idea from a thread in the Segasonic forum, I wanted to ask what others speculate about the Nintendo Revolution, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. Oh, and before people freak out over "we already have a thread for it," this is about the success and failure of them, not the hardware and games specifically.
On the Revolution, personally, I'm very worried about it. Even though many were confused about the new controller, I think the games use of it will be what makes or breaks this system. Nintendo has designed the controller in a way that parts can be added on for certain games, but that will most likely boost the price and make for trouble amoung developers. Also, will it be backwards compatible with the Gamecube? One point that we won't know for a while is how easily game developers can work with the hardware and even if the hardware performs becuase of how unusually secretive Nintendo has been.
The biggest problem of all is the fact that it has practically no games announced, drawing even less interest for the system. What's going to sell your system if you don't give possible buyers an awesome-looking game to drool over?
The 360 has some games out and is backwards compatable with most XBOX games, plus it has Live. The PS3 has the major advantage of a huge fanbase all over the world, complete access to the massive library of PS2 and even PS1 games. Also, both have a ton of third-party developers, something Nintendo has notoriously lacked.
I can see from sales stats and just by playing the games that the DS is fine and holding it's own in the handheld market, but is Nintendo making a serious error or doing something brilliant?
The Rev was confirmed to be BC with NGC titles awhile back.
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The biggest problem of all is the fact that it has practically no games announced, drawing even less interest for the system. What's going to sell your system if you don't give possible buyers an awesome-looking game to drool over?
Nintendo has been infamous for being a very secretive company. Seeing that their reps keep saying "Wait 'til E3", "Wait 'til E3", I say we wait 'til E3 for the eventual Nintendo Rev blowout. :p
Nods with Ashide.
After E3 you probably wont be able to move for all the Revolution stuff. Probably.
My thoughts on the whole thing.
PS3: Probably sell the most, Probably will sell some games not made by EA. I might get one even if it is for Namco/Sega Beat Em Ups. Blu Ray will probably fail.
360: Will sell very well everywhere else but not Japan (Already I am right 
). Halo 3 will be overhyped. People will storm developers of Oblivion for charging people money for horse armour (again). The spiritual successor to the Mega CD and 32X will be unleashed: the HD DVD Drive. Bill Gate confirms HD-DVD games exist splitting the market four ways. Might get one. Dont know why though.
Revolution: Will sell obesely well in Japan. Best looking console award. Nintendo Fan storm Rare and EA for not allowing Goldeneye for download. Might get one.
360: Will sell very well everywhere else but not Japan (Already I am right 🙂 ).
That's bull. 360 hasn't been selling well at all, anywhere. The only reason people think it has is because Microsoft made like five of them. "HAY GUYS ITS SELLING OUT"
Oh. Well If they made more than like five I think that they still be doing well-ish. Theres going to be that whole "Wait for the Playstation 3" thing. Plus the whole thing is run by the guy who decided what to do for Sega.
Sega is going to come back and dominate the market with a 256-bit console.
Here's what I believe will happen:
Nintendo Revolution/On : I'm not really immpressed by it at all, I don't think the controller is a good idea, it probably only sounds good on paper, I agree with Mimiichimu, the controller will determine whether Revolution does well or fails miserably. Also the question of GC backward compatiblity is there, GC uses mini DVD-rom format and it's games are pretty difficult to develop for. Also though it may have some interesting ideas with a few 3rd party titles, this probably isn't as easy as it sounds and Nintendo could very well lose money on trying to develop certain parts and add ons for the controller.
Xbox 360: The Xbox 360 has been doing well but it's budget is pretty thin and development costs are steep, $400 for a console?! Microsoft has a secure future in the western market and Strong 3rd party support but in Japan Microsoft will never catch on because it's too western.
PS3: My belief with PS3 is despite the hype and anticpation it could very well be Sony's very first failure! Why because it actually costs more to manufacture than it does an 360, Games will be very costly to make and to buy and Sony's monster budget for PS3 could probably cost them billions! Do the fact that development costs of PS3 are so high this may cause more delays (don't expect PS3 to see light of day outside of Japan this year), manufacturing problems, and even more console shortages and launch day problems than both PS2 and 360!
Despite the sketicism and doubt, I believe that SEGA is planning on returning to the home console market within the next year or two Why? Because the company's reorginizing and restructuring is complete. Though they are still a 3rd party publisher my belief in SEGA returning primirly has to do with Lindbergh, aquiring more 3rd party developers and despite Super monkey Ball, it seems that SEGA is keeping most of it's big name titles off of Revolution it's very obvious that SEGA will only support the consoles that have the big money.
I believe the Lindbergh arcade machine is SEGA's first baby steps back into hardware, they haven't released or made any new hardware since Naomi 2, SEGA is testing the waters with Lindbergh,knowing that they are more will known with arcade machines SEGA may be using Lindbergh to win back the trust in it's Japanese consumers in it's NEW and improved hardware.
SEGA returning to home consoles seems very unlikely but the posssibily is there now unlike a few years ago, it may sound hard for them to return now but in Japan it would actually be very easy for them to sell a console, because it would most likely have alot of excellent arcade ports, the budget for a new SEGA console would be much lower than 360 and PS3 since SEGA uses much cheaper yet superior technology and they probably would use PC software to make games for it. I believe the main reason why SEGA keeps purchasing more 3rd party devolpers is because they want to expand the 3rd party publishing division.
Now in the U.S. it would be a bit difficult for SEGA not because of Dreamcast but because SEGA of America is a poorly managed company and that many people have forgotten them, SEGA would have to make sure that it's console has good western support and 360/PS3 ports also since the Lindbergh does support HDTV and has a DVD drive, it could have a high tech look to it and could be cutting edge graphics, SEGA of America also most improve it's marketing department which they are doing, this will help sell their console here in the western market.
My one true hope is that the industry can change and that they can find easy ways to cut development costs and to stop allowing every single movie to be made INTO A GAME AND TO COME UP WITH MUCH MORE INNOVATIVE FPS INSTEAD OF THE SAME THING! If this continues then the market will oversaturate itself and be weighed down by it's own success and a 1984-like crash will occur.
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Here's what I believe will happen:
You already have a nack for believing in the most unprobable things, like unicorns and the return of Sega, and I/we really don't need to read past this line to know the rest of thist post is BS, but DO go on.
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Nintendo Revolution/On : I'm not really immpressed by it at all, I don't think the controller is a good idea, it probably only sounds good on paper, I agree with Mimiichimu, the controller will determine whether Revolution does well or fails miserably.
No, it's whether or not the games are good. I could control them with a tea cup for all I care, as long as it's fun.
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Also the question of GC backward compatiblity is there, GC uses mini DVD-rom format and it's games are pretty difficult to develop for.
What exactly are you saying? The Gamecube uses mini DVD-rom formats... your point? And what the hell do you mean by difficult to develope for? I'm going to assume this tragedy of a sentence meant the Rev will be hard to make games for, but a great deal of third-party developers are praising it immensely, including three big-name guys Konami, Ubisoft, and Capcom, and they know how to make games if Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, and Resident Evil 4 are ANY indication.
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Xbox 360: The Xbox 360 has been doing well but it's budget is pretty thin and development costs are steep, $400 for a console?!
Wait, what? Run that by me again.
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Xbox 360: The Xbox 360 has been doing well but it's budget is pretty thin-
...Just...
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Xbox 360: The Xbox 360 has been doing well but it's budget is pretty thin-
Back up, son.
You're saying Microsoft's budget is thin? MICROSOFT? Did you forget Microsoft is just about the richest company on the planet right now, with AT LEAST OVER 20,000,000,000 has a thin budget?
The stupidity of your notion is mind-blowing.
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$400 for a console?!
You honestly expect such a powerful package to go for less? GTFO my grill. NOW.
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PS3: My belief with PS3 is despite the hype and anticpation it could very well be Sony's very first failure! Why because it actually costs more to manufacture than it does an 360, Games will be very costly to make and to buy and Sony's monster budget for PS3 could probably cost them billions! Do the fact that development costs of PS3 are so high this may cause more delays (don't expect PS3 to see light of day outside of Japan this year), manufacturing problems, and even more console shortages and launch day problems than both PS2 and 360!
Sony fans will continue to eat it up either way, if only to piss on Microsoft fanboys. "WHO'S SYSTEM IS MORE POWERFUL NOW?!"
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Despite the sketicism and doubt, I believe that SEGA is planning on returning to the home console market within the next year or two Why?
Here we go...
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Because the company's reorginizing and restructuring is complete.
If Shadow the Hedgehog was any indication, no, they still suck. That leaves Virtua Fighter and some lame tennis game. If you have to rely on angst hogs, a mostly lame 3D fighter, and TENNIS? You've got problems.
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Though they are still a 3rd party publisher my belief in SEGA returning primirly has to do with Lindbergh, aquiring more 3rd party developers and despite Super monkey Ball, it seems that SEGA is keeping most of it's big name titles off of Revolution it's very obvious that SEGA will only support the consoles that have the big money.
If they were coming back, they wouldn't still be selling their @$#% to Nintendo. And if Sega is so wise, why are they porting to that STUPID DUMB FLIPPING NINTENDO GUY OVER THERE?/// By the by, Nintendo doesn't have nearly as much money as Microsoft or Sony.
I planned on trashing the whole post, but I'm not nearly interested enough in doing so. You just can't hold my attention anymore, but if you post again, I'll be there.
o.o... I actually agree with Pat on the PS3 and 360... Atleast with the PS3, history shows no one dominates the console market for more than 2 generations. NES and SNES...PS1 and PS2... The winds of change are in the air...
But...
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Nintendo Revolution/On : I'm not really immpressed by it at all,
WHOA! Pat, you lucky! You've actually seen it?! Hands on with Miyamoto!?!
But seriously, why the heck do you keep calling it ON?
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Also the question of GC backward compatiblity is there, GC uses mini DVD-rom format and it's games are pretty difficult to develop for.
...um, Pat, GC games are already made...no need to develope them...
Unless you're saying that new games for the Rev will be difficult to develope since the Rev will utilize most of the GC's dev kits... Which would be wrong. Developers are now used to the GC's dev kit, so changing it would cause confusion...
And you do realize by wanting Sega to use cheaper stuff, that that is basically what Tendo is doing....
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I could control them with a tea cup for all I care, as long as it's fun.
AHA! I knew there was a market for British Party Xtreme!
He calls it On because of that lame fake 'commercial' of it a long time ago, its actually a pretty good fake, but pretty stupid.
I ought to slap you for for what you said about Virtua Fighter @ TIB. Its not lame. its stupidly technical. But i still love it. FIGHTING VIPERS FOR THE WIN.
Xbox 360 wont sell in Japan because the games aren't to their tastes enough not becuase the console is too western. Now I'm not going they like wierd and wacky, cooky and crazy games (Dung Beetle and Mosqeeto Simulators aside). They tend to like games based on their flavour of the month (like the rest of the world really). I mean there was an Akira Pachinko Machine Simulator in their top 10 ages ago. To us this is wierd but no more wierd than say Half Life 2/Halo to the Japanese. Heck for the japanese launch of the 360 people were just buying the console waiting for Dead Or Alive 4.
I agree that the controller could decide the Revolution maybe more than any other console purely because of the tiltness of it, but so will games, advertising and 3rd part support. Plus there was that whole controller shell thing so you can play normal games easier. Besides we haven't actually seen anything Official from Nintendo since E3 '05 (I think)
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Lindbergh&word2=Revolutio n">Pat, here is all the proof you need for who would win out between Revolution and Lindbergh.
Note that the link is broken.
Besides your saying that 3rd party titles are going to help Nintendo te the world? Guess What? Not happening.
The way I seee besically all of the 3rd party titles annouced for it are noticebly made only to work with the controller. While I like originality there's basically no other purpose for the Wii(stupid Pun.) and a complete lack of ingenuity.
My two cents, if anyone particulalry cares, are thus:
Wii will do the worst. It'll do well enough down to consumer loyalty and have its strongest sales in Japan. I mean they've practically scared off the casual gamers with their one handed controller and the lack of DVD playback support (which I don't think is entirely necessary in a console, along with the mp3 playing, photo viewing and the rest of that bullcrap, but it friggin well seems to sell machines these days, that's money ninty shouldn't be sheilding themselves from...)
The Xbox 360 will be the middle man, with it doing its best in sales in the USA, likely outdoing the Wii. It'll keep the older gamers hapy enough (you know, if they actully release anything GOOD on it, but that may well just be my opinion right there.. ). Sweet controller! And internet ready out of theb box. Is the Wii or PS3 similar?
PS3 will keep the bulk of the market, but I somehow have this feeling that it won't be as strong as the PS2's grip was, and still is for that matter. I'm not sure why I think this though, maybe its just I've not been keeping up with the news or something, its just I've heard very little about the PS3 myself. o_O Other than tentative specs and $%". Boomerang controller made many uncomfortable. Ergonomic or not, if its ugly that's just gonna turn people away, and I'm talking your "LOL I GET THIS CUZ ITS PRETTY" type who suck but hey, they've got cash and I don't blame Sony for bending to their will, frankly. Point remaining, as the boomerang's being changed, we'll never know really if it was comfy to hold or not. Hoping their new design won't be something shocking, I think Sony learns... I THINK. In that I mean I pray pray PRAY that they don't once again only build the $%"^$ with only 2 controller ports... Again...
The Xbox 360 will be the middle man, with it doing its best in sales in the USA, likely outdoing the Wii.
I dunno. Judging by its performance on the shelves so far, either the entire market will crash or the 360 will be a decent third.
I thought the Wii was actually going to play DVDs now. With that little white add on thing.
Also the PS3 is wireless. you can have up to seven people playing at once. Yes seven.
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I thought the Wii was actually going to play DVDs now. With that little white add on thing.
From what I've heard, it'll just play DVDs from out of the box, like PS2, and the white add on is just a stand, I could be wrong though, I did hear it could also serve another purpose (like a power supply, but I think that was someones hopeful wishing, not comfirmed).
Seven? FOR WHY?! o_O; There's no way many games'll be able to take advantage of that one.. unless like, the PS3 can hook up to more than 1 TV set. Puzzle/party games are safe enough though for having 7 on one tv.
I dont know. Sports games can take advantage.
I think the PS3 can actually hook up to two TVs.
Ken Kutaragi (Mr Playstation) said so.
Kutaragi also said that the PS3 has 4D capabilities. 
Ken Kutaragi is seriously f*cking brain-damaged.
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I dont know. Sports games can take advantage.
Good point.
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Kutaragi also said that the PS3 has 4D capabilities.
Wait when was this? :0 I'm intrigued... You know, not in 4 dimensional graphics but where he said it
And here was Cycle's response.
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Good God, Kutaragi has to be the stupidest exec the gaming industry has ever seen.
*reads* :O Oh my god...
