From the latest issue of EGM, Hiroshi Kataoka a producer at AM2 sat down for a interview and first look at VF5 in it, he denies that SEGA will port Lindbergh arcade games to PS3 or Xbox 360.
Qoute from Kataoka-san: "Sega will not release VF5 for PS3 or Xbox 360 because arcade ports are very difficult to do right now,we decided that due to the fact that Lindbergh is more technically superior than that of PS3 and 360 that our new arcade titles won't be ported to these next gen consoles."
Kataoka gave readers a first look at VF5 including the new characters and moves and showed Lindbergh's extraordinary processing power the graphics on the game are a force to be reconed with and right now can't be duplicated.
Kataoka told EGM that may people believe that VF5 was developed on a Xbox 360 development kit or PS3, he said that they are incorrect and that SEGA's new arcade titles run on their own new technology called "Lindbergh".
When asked about Revolution, Kataoka said that SEGA is currently not involved in any projects for Revolution because the company feels that the controller is nothing more then a novelty, "If Nintendo can prove that the controller is indeed innovative, then maybe we may release the gun arcade titles like Virtua Cop 3 the older ones released in Japan for the Revolution, but as of now we are not interested in development for Revolution."
Sega says that more details on VF5,House of the Dead 4 and other new arcade titles will be unveiled at GDC this year.
So there you have it VF5 is not coming out for PS3 or 360, Why? Because the Lindbergh is too powerful to be ported to consoles it's a 256-bit horsepower CPU!As Hiroshi explained porting Lindy's arcade titles to 360 and PS3 would be like downgrading a arcade game, Lindbergh's graphics chips use Pentium 4 and Nividia processors so that makes the technology cheaper than PS3 but still more powerful. Back in Dreamcast's day it was very easy to do arcade ports since the DC and most arcade games ran on Naomi.
So yes I'm pulling out my theory that SEGA may be coming back to the home console market, why? Because if they're not porting any of these title to 360 or PS3 and since Revolution will be less powerful than both 360 and PS3, SEGA could and is building a console of thier own out of the Lindbergh. I believe that SEGA has been working on a new console for a few years now, and that Lindbergh is just them testing the waters and making thier baby steps back in the hardware market.
Call my crazy, call me stupid. Maybe I am. But I stand strong on my theory. You don't have to believe me. The industry has gone into decline now with everything I explained in the other topic(PS3 delayed until next Year) and SEGA knows that now is the time to try again with PS3 out of commision for a while, the company has thrived on success because of thier marketing and even if they were to release a new console on the heels of PS3 it would still sell as long as SEGA can market it correctly.
Do I believe SEGA is the messiah of gaming? No. Do I think SEGA is better than every other company? No. But I know that they have overcome so much adversity,sure they messed up with Genesis add ons, ruined the Saturn and couldn't afford to keep DC alive but they are still going strong no matter what pundits say about their games, SEGA still sells.
No I'm not saying that Mircosoft will fail with 360, but I am saying that SEGA coming back could take a huge chunk out of Sony and push them ahead exspecially in Japan.
No I'm not anti-Sony or Anti-Mircosoft but I believe the PS3 could be Sony's first failure with the delay of PS3 Sony could lose alot of money and shares despite strong PS2 sales worldwide, as for Nintendo I'm still doubting Revolution after N64 and the major Gamecube flop I'm not giving Nintendo anymore chances and neither are 3rd party publishers.
I hope SEGA does come back, if they do you can be assured that they will make sure they're the first in line trying to pioneer Blu Ray DVD technology with SEGA BLU RAY(This is what I think their new console might be called because since Dreamcast SEGA has named their console after the technology it's billed after Dreamcast is a hybrid of "Broadcast" because SEGA was trying to revolutionize online gaming.)
So all I'm saying is PS3 will more than likely fall behind, no it wil NOT give the Revolution a head start but will give 360 plenty of time to built it's user base.
*enters topic*
*reads Pat's typical Sega fan-tarded rant*
*leaves topic wondering if he's really a joke character*
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*enters topic again*
There is no way that Sega would not port or attempt to port any of their arcade games--especially Virtua Fighter 5. Sure, bad business moves is usually synomynous with Sega but they are not that stupid.
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So yes I'm pulling out my theory that SEGA may be coming back to the home console market, why? Because if they're not porting any of these title to 360 or PS3 and since Revolution will be less powerful than both 360 and PS3, SEGA could and is building a console of thier own out of the Lindbergh. I believe that SEGA has been working on a new console for a few years now, and that Lindbergh is just them testing the waters and making thier baby steps back in the hardware market.
See, this statement goes with the Sega not being that stupid in that releasing a console would be suicide for them. They are perfectly fine making some profit as a third-party company so while the hell would they risk it all when they are not nearly as rich as Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft?
Unless...you secretly support them to spiral the company into irrelevancy...
Considering that it's been five years since they stopped making consoles and 7 since Dreamcast and that SEGA is actually worth more money then they were ten years ago.
If SEGA were to be committing sucide then why does Lindbergh exist? When SEGA has not made a new arcade machine since Naomi 2 way back in 2000.
And considering that Lindbergh is more powerful than PS3 and 360 why do you think that it's stupid for SEGA not to downgrade a game that already looks better than any next gen title? Read the latest issue of EGM.
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GFX Memory : 256MB (256 bit GDDR3)
GFX Capabilities : Vertex Shader 3.0, Pixel Shader 3.0
Audio : 3D audio synthesizer chip onboard, possible to have 64 sounds playing simultaneously, 5.1 surround output.
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This hardware is based on PC Hardware
It's just a sodding pc. *looks for ps3 and xbox 360 specs* (fixed)
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If SEGA were to be committing sucide then why does Lindbergh exist? When SEGA has not made a new arcade machine since Naomi 2 way back in 2000.
Triforce? Chihiro?
Money can be made if you get the arcade formula right. And they are using current easy to come by technology, and sell the machines for thousands at a time.
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This article has some details (table at the bottom):
That makes sense about BK's easy-to-find technology theory.
But Sega could still save money building a new console,all they have to do is use Lindy's CPU by cutting development costs, the way that can be done is to looking for the least expensive yet technically superior techonlogy.
Releasing a new console wouldn't be a problem for SEGA, during Dreamcast they had problems with money due to DVD adds ons,Zip-drive add ons and Digital cameras(this is enough to bankrupt any company).
Marketing is also one of SEGA's strong points, if SEGA came come up with the right marketing for thier console it would sell no matter what, SEGA wouldn't depend on word-of-mouth like Mircosoft and Sony to sell game consoles for instance the Genesis and Dreamcast along with Shadow The Hedgehog and Sonic Riders all sold well because of agressive marketing ads.
As for 3rd party development costs,although this is a major problem right now this can be prevented, because of high demand,muticonsole ports,the industry is flawed right now. The way this can be prevented is by test driving and test marketing high profile games before they're released this can save alot of money and since SEGA did test market Genesis titles during SEGA Channel this can prevent oversaturation.
Back in the Saturn days, SEGA's problem was poor marketing, and overflow of hardware support, ten years ago SEGA was supporting hardware for 5 different consoles, Genesis,SEGA CD,SEGA 32X,Saturn, and Game Gear Nintendo in fact is now doing the exact same thing with Gamecube,DS,GBA,Mirco and Revolution. Overflow of hardware support can lead to major losses suffered on a company who become hell bent on supporting all of it hardware and ignore it's flagship console.
The key to succeed at making a new console lies in taking a different approch not just reling on high profile 3rd party publishers,not trying to be too different, creating something new,something clever,and marketing a console to people of all ages not just for adults or kids.
So what I'm saying is I think that SEGA does have what it takes to make in the industry IF they come back. I don't think they'll make the same mistakes they did back in the day and won't let their share getting oversaturated.
It's just a sodding high spec pc. *looks for ps3 and xbox 360 specs*
At this point, not even. 256MB graphics card? Gig of ram? Single-core CPU? Hyperthreading? That's so 2005.
Pat, I can't tell you how much I agree with you!
SEGA can STILL save money by spending money on a new console. This can be done by looking for the least expensive equipment that is even more powerful than the most expensive.
Releasing a new console would be no trouble for them. Why when the released the dreamcast, they had LOADS of problems and could have even gone bankrupt! But this will have a different name than the dreamcast, so those issues will probably be avoided.
Marketing is key. If SEGA came up wit hthe PERFECT commercial, people would want to buy their things! SEGA would not rely on word of mouth or the telegraph like XBOX or PS2 to gain popularity.
As for 3rd party development costs, although rightt NOW this is a major problem, SEGA can travel BACK in time and PREVENT this. They will do this by sharing Shadow the Hedgehog on Sega Channel. Using SEGA channel to doll out games for free will prevent over saturation!
10 years ago SEGA was as BAD AS NINTENDO! (I'm so sad that this is true!) They concentrated just as heavily on releasing game gear games (died out 1994 or so?) as they did Saturn games! (released 1995 or so?) Not targetting the homes of consumers and destroying each of these inferior consoles was a critical error and should have taught stupid Nintendo a lesson, but clearly they weren't listening. If Nintendo were smart, they'd totally drop the ubersuccessful DS and GBA to make way for the seemingly ill-fated Revolution.
The KEY to succeeding at making a new console lies in taking a new, clever approach. Like a remote control for a game controller.
So what I mean is I think SEGA DOES have what it takes to make it back if they just take the time to magically completely change. =)
Acrio, your sarcasm is delicious.
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When asked about Revolution, Kataoka said that SEGA is currently not involved in any projects for Revolution because the company feels that the controller is nothing more then a novelty, "If Nintendo can prove that the controller is indeed innovative, then maybe we may release the gun arcade titles like Virtua Cop 3 the older ones released in Japan for the Revolution, but as of now we are not interested in development for Revolution."
Their arcade division (AM2) isn't working on any Rev games... Sonic Team on the other hand is...
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Nintendo in fact is now doing the exact same thing with Gamecube,DS,GBA,Mirco and Revolution.
Pat, why do I want to cry every time you open your mouth? The GBA and the Micro ARE THE SAME SYSTEM!!! It's like saying Sony's original PS2 and the slimline PS2 are two different consoles...
And Acrio... Yummy
Someone crazy enough to believe the Sonic Revolution rumor.
Besides the anti-Sonic IGN article where is the PROOF that Sonic Team is worked on a Revolution title?
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When contacted, SEGA would not confirm that such a project is underway.
"SEGA has not announced its official plans to support Revolution," a spokesperson for the company told us. "We are committed to creating great game content for all viable platforms, so when Revolution rolls out, it would be a safe bet to assume that we will be there."
revolution.ign.com/articles/682/682320p1.html
Not definitive, but at least I'm not making these rumors up.
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When asked about Revolution, Kataoka said that SEGA is currently not involved in any projects for Revolution because the company feels that the controller is nothing more then a novelty, "If Nintendo can prove that the controller is indeed innovative, then maybe we may release the gun arcade titles like Virtua Cop 3 the older ones released in Japan for the Revolution, but as of now we are not interested in development for Revolution."
When I saw the bolded words I said, "What?!" but then I put two and two together, figured it was Pat, looked at topic creator and found my theory correct. Seriously Pat, get over your hatred of the Big N!
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Someone crazy enough to believe the Sonic Revolution rumor.
And why would you have to be crazy to believe that, Pat? If memory serves, Sonic has sold best on the Cube; so, it would be pretty silly for Sega not to make a Sonic game, exclusive or otherwise, for the Revolution!
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Someone crazy enough to believe the Sonic Revolution rumor.
This from someone crazy enough to believe SEGA are making another console? The Revo option is far more likely, since it, you know, exists.
Unless, of course, you still believe it doesn't, but I would've assumed that it was pretty evident that it does.
Someone crazy enough to believe a rumor they didn't create themselves!
Besides the proof where is the PROOF that Sonic Team is working on a Revolution title?
The rumor is only a theory about SEGA developing a Sonic game for Revolution, There is NO PROOF!
My theory is that I think SEGA is coming back because in 2005 they built thier first hardware machine in seven years. It's not a fact is a theory!
did I ask you to believe it? No. I didn't.
It's my belief because SEGA has not made any type of new hardware since the year 2000 and the company is worth more then they used to be.
The proof of my theory is because of LindBergh, the fact that it does exist and that indeed there are screenshots of it. ,are there any screenshots of Revolution? is there a official statement from Sonic Team saying that they ARE developing a Sonic game for Revolution? You know the anwser! No.
Until I get an official statement from SEGA or until I see some proof,(Revolution game screenshot) I refuse to believe SEGA is supporting Revolution, It's kinda of odd though that IGN is the only website with this rumor,Who you know are very anti-sonic and are SEGA haters.
all I'm saying is you don't have to believe me. It's only MY thoery that SEGA is coming back, It's not hearsay! The Sonic Revolution rumor is definetly hearsay with absolotely NO PROOF AT ALL.
Why do I believe SEGA is coming back? Because I know that they are not the same company they were 10 years ago and that it would be highly unlikely for them to go bankrupt and fall under competition, since the Lindy is 3X more powerful that 360 and PS3. Why would SEGA built a NEW 256-bit arcade machine and despite rumors that they will port thier titles to PS3 and Xbox 360 they openly deny arcade ports?
Man, I must be the only person left on earth who still believes in SEGA.
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The rumor is only a theory about SEGA developing a Sonic game for Revolution, There is NO PROOF!
And the proof that SEGA is making a new console is WHERE?
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Who you know are very anti-sonic and are SEGA haters.
No we don't, because they aren't.
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Lindy is 3X more powerful that 360 and PS3.
WTFLOLNO.
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Why do I believe SEGA is coming back?
Uh... Because you're darling?
Ignores him.
Looks at LIndbergh specs and compares them to PS3.
PS3 has 512MB memory and a 550mhz clock speed while Lindbergh has a dual 2X 512 MB RAM and 800mhz clock speed.
So Lindbergh is not more powerful than PS3,huh?
(Besides everyone knows that Saturn was more powerful than PSone because it had a dual 32-bit processor.)
No, I'm not darling, I'm just using a theory. No SEGA isn't messiah! But they can come back and your darling for calling me darling.
Acrio: Your inbox is disabled so I have to be like all edity. Wonderbat broke the rules for using the word he did, but that doesn't excuse you from the same rule, kkz?
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the Lindy is 3X more powerful that 360 and PS3
Ok... let's see if you contradict yourself here...
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Looks at Lindbergh specs and compares them to PS3.
PS3 has 512MB memory and a 550mhz clock speed while Lindbergh has a dual 2X 512 MB RAM and 800mhz clock speed.
Ok, well it has 2 times more RAM and a slightly higher clock speed. That's definitely 3 times more powerful, right?
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(Besides everyone knows that Saturn was more powerful than PSone because it had a dual 32-bit processor.)
And because of this we all know that the Saturn was such a huge success, especially in comparison with the PSOne...
Pat, please do us all a favor and stop talking.
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(Besides everyone knows that Saturn was more powerful than PSone because it had a dual 32-bit processor.)
And the Dreamcast was a hell of a lot more powerful than the Playstation, and still failed on annual sales. Seriously though, having a Saturn makes me see why the Playstation was a hell of a lot more popular, the Playstation felt like something new and amazing back in its day, while the Saturn feels like a really powerful Megadrive trying to be a Playstation.
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Why do I believe SEGA is coming back? Because I know that they are not the same company they were 10 years ago and that it would be highly unlikely for them to go bankrupt and fall under competition, since the Lindy is 3X more powerful that 360 and PS3.
Yeah... Sega isn't the same company it was 10 years ago... Now they are a 3rd party developer!
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(Besides everyone knows that Saturn was more powerful than PSone because it had a dual 32-bit processor.)
Duuuude, more power isn't always better! Your Saturn is a great example. It might have had more power than the PS1, but which one sold better? Same with the DS/ PSP... PSP is so much better than the DS in the graphics department, but which one is flying off of shelves in Japan?
ok, i'm sorry but if there was a Video game system that was better than the PS3 (possibly the GOD among the next-gen consoles) wouldn't you think we would've heard of it already?
ok, i'm sorry but if there was a Video game system that was better than the PS3 (possibly the GOD among the next-gen consoles) wouldn't you think we would've heard of it already?
Sorry, but this is basically the first time I've had the chance to brag about my new dual-core box of sex on here.
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Picture of Cycle's hottest picture.
** melts with jealousy **
*is unimpressed by TheCycle PC, mainly due to not being a PC Gamer*
And power means nothing!
The Gamepark 32 was more powerful then the GBA. GBA is one of the best selling systems of all time, the GP32 is practically unknown(I won't hold it against anyone who don't know what the GP32 is).
The PSP is more powerful then the DS. The DS has trounced the PSP in sales.
The PS2 is weaker then the Gamecube and X-box and outsold them combined.
Even if Sega released a variation of the Lindbergh hardware in a home console, and it is indeed more powerful then the PS3 and X-box 360, it still might crash and burn.
Also, which third parties would develop exclusive games for a new Sega console when they could easily develop for PS3 or X360? And before someone says "Well Sega could rely on their 1st party games" Sega's overall game sales are not nearly as huge as Nintendo's. A new hypothetical Sega console wouldn't sell except to the hardcore fanboys like Pat who are just a smidgen of a minority meaning it would be unprofitable and a waste of money and resources.
*is unimpressed by TheCycle PC, mainly due to not being a PC Gamer*
BOW! BOW BEFORE YOUR NEW GOD!
Yesterday I went to see Lucky Number Sleven, great film. After that I went to the Arcade in the same building and played the arcade version of Mario Kart (very fun) and House of the Dead 4. It looks pretty cool, can't say I'd take Uzis over ahotguns for zombies, but still fun. I can see no graphical reasons why House if the Dead 4 CANNOT be on the 360 or PS3.
specs plz @ Cyc
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BOW! BOW BEFORE YOUR NEW GOD!
Does your PC have 4D capablilities like the PS3?
If not then it is not a god.
Wait....but would live gameplay be prettymuch what we do? ....unless they mean live online like Xbox Live...
I have to say, every new feature I've heard in the past few wekks for the PS3 is just something Nintendo or Microsoft have done already.
specs plz @ Cyc
This should probably be in the hardware thread but whatever.
CPU: AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+ Manchester (dual-2.2GHz, 512k L2 cache per core)
Mobo: DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
RAM: OCZ Platinum EL PC3200 2x1GB
GPU: eVGA GeForce 7800GT 256MB PCI-E
Sound: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
HDD: Seagate Barracuda IX - 250GB
ODD: Samsung WriteMaster DVD+/-RW +DL
PSU: Fortron Blue Storm, 500W
Case: Lian-Li PC-V1000
Does your PC have 4D capablilities like the PS3?
Good God, Kutaragi has to be the stupidest exec the gaming industry has ever seen.
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CPU: AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+ Manchester (dual-2.2GHz, 512k L2 cache per core)
Mobo: DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
RAM: OCZ Platinum EL PC3200 2x1GB
GPU: eVGA GeForce 7800GT 256MB PCI-E
Sound: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
HDD: Seagate Barracuda IX - 250GB
ODD: Samsung WriteMaster DVD+/-RW +DL
PSU: Fortron Blue Storm, 500W
Case: Lian-Li PC-V1000
(Envies)
If I can actually get a job this summer, I am looking seriously at that graphics card for running Oblivion with...
I was personally thinking a 6600GT until some DX10 cards came out, and THEN I'd splurge on the video card. I mean, I'm sure a high-end DX9 card would do me good, but with DX10 around the corner (when Vista comes out, hopefully before year's end), it'd get out-dated really quickly. So, unless they're just going to update the drivers to support DX10 - which I doubt, and rather suspect they'd have to make all new cards - a midrange card should work for me.
But yeah, PC hardware topic.
The 7800GT isn't actually that much of a "splurge" board -- it's high-end but it's still not quite what I'd put in the "OMG MY PANTS" section. The $300 Lian-Li case, however, pretty much gets the "OMG MY PANTS" Lifetime Achievement Award.
I'm not ranting like a fanboy here I'm just looking at the facts!
The Lindbergh is more powerful than PS3 and you know it, a slightly faster clock speed is technically more superior than PS3.
Oh and uh the Dreamcast did not fail, SEGA had serious money problems with it. The ship was already sinking, SEGa had lost nearly a billion on Saturn and the other hardware before Dreamcast and the failing arcade market added to SEGA's bankrupcy, you may not see it. But SEGA is now worth about $1 billion in Japan and owns 90% of the Japanese arcade market. Although SEGA of America isn't worth much that amount.
Releasing a home console version wouldn't be easy for SEGA to do here in the U.S. but they CAN succeed, SEGA of America relies on it's marketing to sell games, if the Linbergh costs less than PS3 and 360(Which is high likely) and as long a SEGA pushes strong marketing and doesn't use word of mouth then they could win back the respect of U.S. consumers.
And for those who say that the industry can't handle 4 consoles are talking sour grapes, it has happened before. In 1982 there were 4 not three consoles availble to U.S. consumers, Atari 2600,Intellivison,Coleco Vision, and Oddessey 2.
All I'm saying is that as long as SEGA markets a console correctly (which they failed to do with Saturn out here) they can succeed.
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And for those who say that the industry can't handle 4 consoles are talking sour grapes, it has happened before. In 1982 there were 4 not three consoles availble to U.S. consumers, Atari 2600,Intellivison,Coleco Vision, and Oddessey 2.
And what happened after that Patrick? THE MARKET CRASHED!
Which exactly is going to happen again because of the declining industry.
The Lindbergh is more powerful than PS3 and you know it, a slightly faster clock speed is technically more superior than PS3.
Clockspeed has meant precisely piss f--king all for years.
Also the clockspeed you mentioned near the bottom of page 1 is the frontside bus speed, which is pretty much irrelevant in a comparison with the PS3, because half of the stuff that Lindbergh's year-old P4 chip is talking to via the FSB is engineered directly onto the PS3's Cell processor. The frontside bus has always been a severe performance bottleneck for Intel chips, especially older ones like the one inside Lindbergh.
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SEGA of America relies on it's marketing to sell games, if the Linbergh costs less than PS3 and 360(Which is high likely) and as long a SEGA pushes strong marketing and doesn't use word of mouth then they could win back the respect of U.S. consumers.
I admit I know little about business strategy, but if, as you say, the Lindbergh is more powerful than the PS3 and 360, and SEGA sold it for less than these two consoles, and factoring the money spent on marketing the thing against some stiff competition, wouldn't SEGA lose money on each console sold, like Microsoft with the X-box? Except that Microsoft could afford to do this, and SEGA can't. So wouldn't that be the nonsensical thing to do?
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And for those who say that the industry can't handle 4 consoles are talking sour grapes, it has happened before. In 1982 there were 4 not three consoles availble to U.S. consumers, Atari 2600,Intellivison,Coleco Vision, and Oddessey 2.
Am I the only one who has never heard of the Oddessey 2, and if so, should I be ashamed?
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I'm not ranting like a fanboy here...
ORLY?
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Oh and uh the Dreamcast did not fail, SEGA had serious money problems with it. The ship was already sinking, SEGa had lost nearly a billion on Saturn and the other hardware before Dreamcast and the failing arcade market added to SEGA's bankrupcy, you may not see it. But SEGA is now worth about $1 billion in Japan and owns 90% of the Japanese arcade market. Although SEGA of America isn't worth much that amount.
You just contridicted yourself. You said the DC did not fail but the bolded part points out some of the reasons of it's failure. There are other reasons such as piracy, lack of mainstream friendly games and 3rd-party support especially from EA during it's middle life (2000), and crappy marketing. You sound like a fanboy in denial.
And Sega's worthy-ness is just a drop in the bucket compared to what MS, Sony, and Nintendo is worth. Shoot, I'm willing to bet that Square-Enix behemoth is worth more than Sega.
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Releasing a home console version wouldn't be easy for SEGA to do here in the U.S. but they CAN succeed, SEGA of America relies on it's marketing to sell games, if the Linbergh costs less than PS3 and 360(Which is high likely) and as long a SEGA pushes strong marketing and doesn't use word of mouth then they could win back the respect of U.S. consumers.
Sega and good marketing? Sega's good marketing? Isn't that an oxymoron? 
Wait, why wouldn't you want to use word of mouth of how great this hypothetical Sega console? Wouldn't that help sales? And again, I ask which third-party companies would actually support exclusives for a Sega console nowadays for it to live beyond 2 years. And what special exclusive content would Sega themselves have to put on their system that would make people buy their console? We seem to have a gist of what Xbox 360 is doing and PS3 and Rev is somewhat planning(wait for E3 and TGS), but what would Sega have to do? Brand new Sonic games isn't going to cut it.
Heck, the announcement of Genesis games on Rev's Virtual Console plan should've clued you in that Sega isn't planning on making an another console.
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And for those who say that the industry can't handle 4 consoles are talking sour grapes, it has happened before. In 1982 there were 4 not three consoles availble to U.S. consumers, Atari 2600,Intellivison,Coleco Vision, and Oddessey 2.
What Hiro said. And the first ones who usually suffers would be the smaller companies like Sega. So why bother releasing a console if you will be the one that will fall hard first?
Though I doubt we will see another market crash any time soon even if Sega released a new console.
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Which exactly is going to happen again because of the declining industry.
What declining industry? If you are talking about the slowdown of console hardware, well we are in a transistional period between current-gen to next-gen. It happens. It happened the same time when we made the jump from 32/64 bit to 128 bit. Software sales will probably grow to what it was 2001-2004 to the next-gen middle period. Besides, the handheld sales have actually been growing according to the latest NPD figures. And the DS/Lite has been selling at a mad crazy rate in Japan.
So yeah, you sound like a fanboy in denial though you also seem to sound like a troll posting stuff so everyone here will get riled up at you.
It happened the same time when we made the jump from 32/64 bit to 128 bit.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. There is no such thing as a 128-bit console.
You know what I mean. I was too lazy to type up "from the transition from the Playstation/Saturn/Nintendo 64 to the Dreamcast/Playstation 2/Gamecube/Xbox".
I don't here a word you've said Ash, because your wrong.
This anti-SEGA rant and flame should stop now. I haven't said one evil thing about your god Nintendo other then downloading Genesis game being nothing to get exicted about because Genesis emulation is very easy to do.
This topic is a theory, not a fact. It's a theory I stand strong on,why? Because of Lindbergh, SEGA's first hardware in neraly 6 years,whom many of you fanboys have yet to see it's true power and graphical superiority over PS3. If SEGA were not to release a new arcade machine with new technology this theory wouldn't exist, hell three years ago I never assumed SEGA coming back because they weren't making hardware.
The industry IS going into decline,development costs and technology costs are at an all time high selling a console for $400 is acutally a no-brainer ,Sony's PS3 delay will most likely hurt it badly and cause major production problems, while 3rd party publishers like E.A. and activision contiune to churn out rushed out,ports, GTA clones, and annoying movie licensed titles which are oversaturating the market(This is exactly what caused the 1984 crash.)
If you think SEGA is not worth more than E.A. think again,for the past few years SEGA has gone through a reorganizing and reconstructing stage which is why they merged with Sammy.
And I really am getting tired of your accusing me of being a Nintendo hater, I don't hate Nintendo! I just hate what they've done with Gamecube, I still respect their handhelds but as for thier home consoles, forget it. I'm not giving them another chance. After both N64(Which wasn't that bad) and the dismal failure called Gamecube I can't jump on the Big N bandwagon. Mark may words the Revolution or what ever it will called will be a very tough sell for Nintendo, it will have a very hard time getting 3rd party support due to Nintendo's mistreatment of 3rd party publishers and it's design may not be as clever as thought.
So as for SEGA, I still believe in them, I hope that everybody will see the Lindbergh's power and abilities and hope that SEGA can reinvent themselves with clever marketing more superior technology and strong software support, you really think that 3rd party publishers will shun the Lindbergh huh? No they won't, as long as it's easy to devlop games for and has an inexpensive budget and as long a SEGA doesn't have strict 3rd party policies 3rd party publishers will support it, even if it doesn't have 3rd party support, SEGA is a strong in house devloper and owns about 25 different developers, and with quality titles it wouldn't take long for 3rd party publishers to become interested in it.
Can you not rant about sega? even for a little while?
i haven't talked to you ever but i have seen your posts.
it's the same thing every time.
Yeah,okay.
Tell AS to quit with his SEGA bashing and insulting me.
Shoaw me where there was SEGA bashing and I'll do so right away, Patrick.
Just a few nitpicks.
This anti-SEGA rant and flame should stop now.
Your posts are more ranty than hers and there's no flaming whatsoever - just fact & opinion.
whom many of you fanboys
*doublechecks everyone who's posted in this thread so far* I'm afraid you're the most fanboy-tastic person to post in this thread.
If you think SEGA is not worth more than E.A. think again,for the past few years SEGA has gone through a reorganizing and reconstructing stage which is why they merged with Sammy.
That has no relevancy to the point you're trying to prove. You offered nothing solid to suggest that Sega is worth more than EA{which it isn't}.
you really think that 3rd party publishers will shun the Lindbergh huh? No they won't, as long as [generic reasons]
That applies to everyone else. Again, all you have backing you up is assumptions.
Tell AS to quit with his SEGA bashing and insulting me.
I believe I addressed this at the top of my post. The truth hurts. ;3
Oh and:
I don't here a word you've said Ash, because your wrong.
*covers ears* LALALALALA I DON'T HEAR YOUR TRUTHS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO
HSW, no offense, but you are kind of adding gasoline to the fire.
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HSW, no offense, but you are kind of adding gasoline to the fire.
hypershadow77, you do realize that HSW is a MOD... It's kinda his job to put people in their place...
YOU WILL RESPECT HIS AUTHORITY!
