I like how he thinks just because someone points out valid reasons of why it is best for Sega to stay as a successful third-party developer instead of why it would be bad business sense for them to go back into the console business that they must be automatically Nintendo fanchildren.
I'm female, BTW.
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I haven't said one evil thing about your god Nintendo other then downloading Genesis game being nothing to get exicted about because Genesis emulation is very easy to do.
Ahem, my point is in the last post is that if Sega was really willing on making a new console, then why the heck would they approve of legalized emulation through their hypothetical competitors(Gametap and Nintendo)? You don't see Sony or Nintendo first-party games on Gametap, do you? If Sega was really serious about making new console then it would have been in their best interest to emulate(no pun intended) Sony's and Nintendo's plan about their legacy and the Genesis is their most successful console so...
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The industry IS going into decline,development costs and technology costs are at an all time high selling a console for $400 is acutally a no-brainer ,Sony's PS3 delay will most likely hurt it badly and cause major production problems, while 3rd party publishers like E.A. and activision contiune to churn out rushed out,ports, GTA clones, and annoying movie licensed titles which are oversaturating the market(This is exactly what caused the 1984 crash.)
Er, why would you assume that all next-gen games will be at a high budget? I'm pretty sure NIS, Gust, some Atlus, and other games from smaller developers this did not cost a lot and was fairly successful. I won't be surprised that there will also be games for the next-gen with similar smaller budgets such as NIS's games. There is a market for them, you know. Also you seem to forget the lower cost of developing for handhelds and that is part of the video gaming market.
As for what types of genres are selling today...first of all, licensed shovelware and sports has always been successful within at least the 16 to current-bit generations and they will continue to do so. Meaning EA will still continue to exist. Second, there will always be trends/fads of what is hot within a generation whether it will be platformers that are clones of Mario/Sonic, RPGs, or in the current gen FPS and GTA clones. Third have you actually noticed that the West is making a comeback as far as console gaming goes. I mean look at all the gems(R&C, Sly Cooper, God of War, Beyond Good & Evil, Psychonauts, etc.) that were from Western developers this gen in contrast to last gen and the gen before that. If anything, the market seems to be growing.
As for you comment about EA not being worth more than Sega-Sammy, have you seen the any of the Western sales charts last year or lately? EA completely dominates--especially with a little game called Madden(or in Europes case it would be FIFA).
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hypershadow77, you do realize that HSW is a MOD
after being here for so long, i do realize that he's a mod.
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It's kinda his job to put people in their place
yes but it's been proven time and again that the mods aren't always right for what they do.
hs77: If you don't wanna read his crap, then maybe you should consider avoiding the topic and/or ignornig his posts.
Hiro: LOL @ caps line, but I wouldn't quite put it that way{I'm not sure how serious you were so I'll just continue asif you were 100% earnest}. Just because I'm a mod doesn't put me on a throne or anything. Users shouldn't treat staff differently, and vice versa.
HSW I was joking about the last part there... I probably should have put a /cartman there or something...
Maybe you should consider that too.
Yes I know about the devil known as E.A., a large dominate western publisher who thinks they are "God". Who even illegally purchased the NFL license and got away with it.
But in Japan, E.A. is worth very little. They sell very few titles out there. SEGA makes billions selling dozens of arcade machines there.
So you see SEGA returning to the console market would be better for them, since you yourself said that they're are a struggling 3rd party publisher in America and that they don't sell as many games as much as E.A. out here.
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Yes I know about the devil known as E.A., a large dominate western publisher who thinks they are "God". Who even illegally purchased the NFL license and got away with it.
Excuse me, but how the hell was it illegal?
It's called an "illegal Monopoly".
Which is?
When you purchase another software company or license without reason or a tarriff, it's called an "Illegal Monopoly" it can result in a lawsuit called "anti-trust."
Monopoly companies like E.A. must have reason or consent to purchase a license or software company, you get a tarriff by a judge that allows you to make the purchase only if the software company agrees to the terms or if they file for chapter 9 protection.
Did E.A. have legal right to this? I don't think so, and I believe that in a few years they'll be facing an anti-trust suit.
SEGA has a perfect right to sue E.A, for this. they probably aren't going to any time soon since they would have to try to purchase VC from Take 2 or if Take 2 agrees to be purchased by SEGA, or if SEGA can try to take on Madden again.
That legal stuff sounds extemly made up, considering US's FREE ECONOMY / OPEN MARKET / WHATEVER THEY CALL IT NOWADAYS 
Anyways, I'm never, ever going to read one of your posts again. Good day.
I forget where now, but I thought I read somewhere that it was the NFL who approached EA with the deal anyway, although EA had been trying to get it before. I've personally never heard anything to imply that it's not legal for a company to purchase an exclusive license for something. If the NFL doesn't want anyone other than EA making NFL games, it's their decision. Meh, I thoroughly hated NFL 2k5 anyway.
Actually Pat, it'd only be a monopoly if there was no other competition for EA.
There is and there was competition. So because of the deal causing it no longer to have competition, it is an Illegal Monopoly.
Mircosoft,Sony and SEGA were still making NFL titles in 2004.
and NFL Fever was on a hiatus.
As for the NFL, I don't care too much about football, I'm a Baseball fan. I think the NFL is just as guilty of Illegal monopoly as E.A. is.
How so?
They're not preventing anyone else from doing the same thing they are.
FYI, the NFL personally signed EA exclusive rights to be that only company that's free to develop NFL-licenced games.
Everyone else is free to create any original football game as long any players, teams, or anything else related to the NFL isn't present.
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But in Japan, E.A. is worth very little. They sell very few titles out there. SEGA makes billions selling dozens of arcade machines there.
And on the flip side arcades in the West are dying so...
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So you see SEGA returning to the console market would be better for them, since you yourself said that they're are a struggling 3rd party publisher in America and that they don't sell as many games as much as E.A. out here.
I still don't get this thought of "logic". How would exactly be better for Sega to pour even more money and resources into a console where they can move from a "struggling" 3rd party company(where less money is lost) back into a struggling 1st party company who has to support even more money lost on consoles produced and games that haven't sold?
I really doubt that Sega will be successful with any console nowadays since Japan and Europe are mostly PS console brand-lands and apprarently, most of Sega's current games here that are not sports, Sonic, Super Monkey Ball, or Virtua Fighter are not even 500,000K hitters--heck they even sold off Visual Concepts which was a big money making dev team for Sega to Take-Two.
There is and there was competition. So because of the deal causing it no longer to have competition, it is an Illegal Monopoly.
The NFL/EA deal doesn't stop other developers from making football games. The market for football games is no less competitive now than it was before. If you ask me, this is good for the market because this challenges developers to create innovative football games based on creative new properties, rather than just boring NFL simulators.
Patrick, I haven't read many of your posts but I've heard about them in the chat. Now you currently seem to be misunderstanding Ashide Bunni here.
You seem to think she's bashing SEGA... but there's nothing really anti-SEGA about saying that SEGA has good enough business sense not to go back into the console market, and that SEGA realizes it's better off in outside of the console market. Wouldn't that be complimenting SEGA instead of bashing it? (Judging based on how much I've read of this thread which I'll admit isn't very much, I just noticed the comment and wanted to add my own)
Furthermore, saying a certain company isn't very likely to be succesful in a certain market isn't necessarily saying that the company is a bad one. It is simply saying that the company would only be worse off in a specific market. It's not the companies with the "best" hardware and software win, more so that marketing and pricing strategies have more influence on that, ect...
Now I'll admit that in the past, what I was told of what happened in specifically the downfall of SEGA may have been overly influenced by anti-Sony sites. So I guess my understanding of why exactly SEGA fell is quite incomplete but I do remember hearing a lot about it being primarily because of poor marketing.
Frankly I think SEGA's best potential is in its games. Maybe its games now might not be quite as good as they used to be but I think they'd be far more likely to fix their software than the marketing itself.
By the way I too am quite a fan of SEGA. To me it seems more so that their games get underappreciated more so (Eg. Ecco... but I've talked about that enough in the past) but hey I enjoy Nintendo as well.
Oh Lord. Matt Hayter and Pat L in the same thread. XD
Oh, about the monopoly thing, take it from the guy doing law: they don't work like that.
As much I I'd like to argee with you, I still think SEGA does have what it takes to rebound into the console market.
After all the industry is going into decline, and although VF doesn't sell that much outside of Japan, it would sell if SEGA did release it on thier own console,because it does look impressive.
Now you say that it was SEGA's marketing was thier downfall, I say that was only part of it. Most of the 2001 bankrupcy came from mismanagement, because SEGA was already losing money on hardware,SEGA used to pay 1st party software far less then it's console, and if you think about thier past code names for hardware it probably was a metphor for the company's direction.
Dreamcast's orginal code names were: Dural,Black Belt and Katana back in 1997,which are all VF referances, in 1998 it was changed to Naomi obiviously named after the biblical character Naomi which BTW is not a Japanese. Naomi was an Israelite that lived in abject poverty,she and her daughter-in-law Ruth surivived a terrible famine, without hardly any food or water. SEGA probably code named DC "Naomi" because thier waters were running dry and they were going broke.
During the early 90s,SEGA had a trend of giving it;s hardware code names after the planet, SEGA CD/MEGA CD's code name was "Venus", SEGa 32X's code name was "Mars", SEGA Saturn's code name was "Neptune."
Now if you look at Lindbergh, which more than likely SEGA named after the 20th century aviator "Charles Lindbergh" who for 5 years was rich, powerful, and a hero, until the tragic kidnapping and murder of his infant son in 1932, Lindbergh even thrived during the 1929 stock market crash!
Yes, I know that the arcade market is dead out here, it's been dead for years, but if you consider that, SEGA could more than likely have named Lindbergh after Charles for some reason, there is a possiblity that Lindbergh could be converted into a console, and I don't believe SEGA would have the same problems as they did with marketing of Saturn, and money issues with Dreamcast because SEGA is working on trying to fix thier marketing problems, and wouldn't have built "Lindbergh" if they still had money problems.
All I'm saying is I don't think SEGA is better if as a 3rd party publisher now, I think it's much harder for them to survive now in the 3rd party empire, considering that they can't sell as much titles as they did while a hardware maker. With PS3 while will most likely not be relased outside of Japan until next year, this could give SEGA plenty of time to rename themselves sure they still have to face Microsoft,Sony,Nintendo but if SEGA markets thier console correctly and sells it cheaper then 360 and PS3 then I think they still can succeed,sure they may have alot of challenges to overcome since the industry his changed since 2001 but I believe they can do it.
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there is a possiblity that Lindbergh could be converted into a console
you don't seem to realize how slim that possibility is.
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After all the industry is going into decline,
The video game market is more popular outside of Asia than it has ever been in history. How exactly is that a decline?
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All I'm saying is I don't think SEGA is better if as a 3rd party publisher now, I think it's much harder for them to survive now in the 3rd party empire, considering that they can't sell as much titles as they did while a hardware maker.
Now that's a pretty dumb thing to think. If they were selling titles as a First party developer for their own console, they would only be able to sell on one console and no more.
As a Third party developer they can sell titles on ALL existing home and handheld consoles as well as the PC, meaning they have EVERY audience available to them.
Is there some sort of a ban rule on this forum for never-ending stupidity? If so, Pat should no longer be here.
The problem there though is that SEGA isn't even close in company size to Sony and Microsoft, so the idea of them being able to compete with them is somewhat far-fetched what with the gaps in market power, as well as other factors like less brand recognition, etc...
Also, how would going back into the console market help SEGA's games? SEGA's better off in the gaming market and it's best they stay there, this way they can focus their attention to the development of games as opposed to focusing it to that of consoles. That on top of what Robobotnik mentioned; Without limiting it to their own console, SEGA can sell games to a much bigger market. As I said, SEGA's more so overlooked in its games, and I'd prefer that SEGA focus on them.
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With PS3 while will most likely not be relased outside of Japan until next year....
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Is there some sort of a ban rule on this forum for never-ending stupidity? If so, Pat should no longer be here.
Unexpected joke tags are much more funnier and can be a bigger punishment than banning.
Last I heard, there is no ban rule on speaking your mind without flaming anyone.
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Last I heard, there is no ban rule on speaking your mind without flaming anyone.
True. But there is something called common sense.
Too bad common sense isn't enforced around here, which basically means little ol' Patrick can go around flaming everyone who disagrees with him and disregard everyone else's opinions as well as proven facts as being either "SEGA Bashing" or "Flaming" him.
I don't remember flaming anynoe noir do I remember calling anybody stupid.
(Looks at NEW After Burner game.)
It would be nice to see another After Burner title, I'm loking forward to it.
