It's very clear that Riku isn't going to be appearing much as a character in Sora's face like previous appearances. He's a Nobody now. He's going to be screwing with his head so bad it'll spin.
Though I can't be certain of that... Mickey wouldn't be angst baddie and he was wearing a Nobody cloak aswell. Eitherway. Pete seems to be the stalker of the game, let him reoccur and cause angst. Riku is meant for bigger and secreter things.
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He's a Nobody now.
NUUUU. That's like saying he was a Heartless in KH1.
The Nobody are the newest enemies, the white creatures and others of their type. The Orgnaization/Thirteenth Order are special Nobody who retain their form and just happen to sport those cloaks. Riku having a cloak doesn't make him a Nobody more than wearing a Heartless symbol(okay, incomplete heartless symbol) makes him a Heartless. =P
Well Riku HAS been consumed by the Darkness and it left a lasting impact on him. He didn't lose his heart though, it was just enveloped to the point where he ended up in the door to darkness. It made him like Ansem (well he IS Ansem now... sorta), a heartless who kept his heart. Doesn't suprise me if when he "walked between the path between light and dark" that he became a Nobody with a form, who according to Final Mix were "Beings untouched by Light or Dark, a power beyond them"
Sora on the other hand DID lose his heart. Kairi gave it back to him.
I'd like to have that explained in KH2, it's mentioned as one of the main reasons Axel and The Organisation are interested in him. I'll love to see their results.
Also I want to know what the heck BHK is in all of this.
OHNOES
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Doesn't suprise me if when he "walked between the path between light and dark" that he became a Nobody with a form, who according to Final Mix were "Beings untouched by Light or Dark, a power beyond them"
As long as you're bringing up Final Mix, recall the Ansem Report that mentioned that the "non-existant ones", which we generally assume to be Nobody, are theorized to be the bodies and souls cast away when heartless are made.
Sora also mentions this in one of the trailers, saying something like "The Nobody are created when someone with a strong heart becomes a heartless.", but that's a really, really loose translation...
By the way, a new new trailer is out. It shows scenes with Sora kneeling in front of an Org member, more BHK and Namine stuff, Kairi talking about Sora, the Org Member at Beast's castle holding Beast's rose (OH NOES), Mickey casting off his cloak to reveal his CoM outfit, and the Sorceror from Fantasia who was Mickey's superior in that movie.
Details and downloads at kh2.co.uk
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<3 @ Pegleg Pete.
Looks like he'll be a reoccuring villain throughout the game if he has a Lion King form and a "Disney World" form.
His absence really hurt the original game, here's hoping we get lots of Pete killing action!
In the words of father jack: "YES!!!" =D He prolly won't have his big smokey cigar (oh how I would LOVE to see him breathe a pile of smoke in Sora's face) at least here's in there! ^__^
That makes sense DDK, it'd explain why the Organisation assume Sora is among their ranks if he BECAME a Heartless and turned back.
If they are the bodies of those who lost their hearts, I BEAT they're interested in someone who lost his and got it back.
Kind of makes the organisation sympathetic villains.
Well, as sympathetic as people who would crush millions of souls to regain their own.
*Growls* Fricken vampires >.>
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it'd explain why the Organisation assume Sora is among their ranks if he BECAME a Heartless and turned back.
When did this happen? O_o
But yes, the Org is interested in Sora for that reason. They quote Sora as being the second person to come back after becoming a Heartless. It's assumed the first is Ansem, though Ansem didn't return to his body.
Organisation members speak about Sora being one of their ranks in CoM and mention how he became a Heartless (Hollow Bastion, first visit) and turned back.
It's possible that Ansem is the second. I'm currently going through Reverse Rebirth (while typing this infact. I CoM with my DS last week) and one of the Org members more or less said "Ansem is a nobody" So I assume he's the "Superior" mentioned...
Speculation hurts. I need to finish this and read up on KH2...
I thumbed through the script and couldn't find that remark. =/ I double-checked around Axel and Larxene's conversation, too.
I prefer to let the game explain things for me; it's more fun that way. Although I have no qualms finding stuff out about new characters. (looks at Sora the cub once more)
I can't recall the exact moment but when they're doing the OMG INEUNDO dialogue about him being a plaything, there's a vague comment such as "Don't break him, he's one of us" or something.
Hm, I think you misunderstood something.
Marluxia used Namine to alter Sora's memory in order to control him, through her. With the Keyblade Master at his beck and call, he and Larxene would have the advantage they needed to challenge the other members and assume control of the Order. This is what was meant by "joining our ranks" and "one of us".
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If they are the bodies of those who lost their hearts, I BEAT they're interested in someone who lost his and got it back.
This is true.
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They quote Sora as being the second person to come back after becoming a Heartless. It's assumed the first is Ansem, though Ansem didn't return to his body.
It ain't Ansem. He doesn't fit the criteria. Ansem as we know him is an existence of pure heart. A Nobody, therefore, would be the shell he tossed away (possibly DiZ, possibly not). Ansem DID possess Riku's body, however I don't believe this is what was meant by "coming back".
No, the person they were referring to was most likely the one they call The Superior but we can't be certain, due to other factors.
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and one of the Org members more or less said "Ansem is a nobody" So I assume he's the "Superior" mentioned...
Riku: Who are you? Are you with Ansem?
Vexen: You are half correct. Let us say that it's not the Ansem you know. He is Ansem and he is not which is the say he is nobody.
Riku: Nobody, huh? Sorry, riddles aren't my thing. Try making some sense.
Vexen: He belongs to neither the light nor the dark, but walks the twilight between. As do I. And for that matter Ha ha, that's right. We have much in common.
So the question posed is: Who is the "other" Ansem? DiZ, who looks and talks remarkably similar to him yet "smells" nothing like him, or the Superior who we know has SOME connection to Ansem and is likely a Nobody himself?
Ansem DOES fit the criteria. He didn't return in full form, but he didn't stay a Heartless either. Considering that he cast off his body and soul and journeyed into the darkness (not to mention all that crap he spewed about accepting darkness into your heart, it's like he did so himself), he should have become a Heartless. We don't really know exactly what happened, though...
I could also go into the whole theory about the Guardian being Ansem's true form, but it's just that. A theory. =P
Holy crap! This Tron dealie is SO huge and significant that one of the gaming comics MADE A COMIC RELATING TO VIDEOGAMES about it!
www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/11/14
I miss my stories about characters I don't care about becoming rich daredevil murder victims while making jokes I don't understand without reading an essay.
Nice.
O__________O
What the heck is going...oh. Hi Stitch. o.o
Yeah, I'm downloading that trailer as I type.
Edit: Whoo, nelly! Steamboat Willie and Tron Battle footage (only for scant seconds, though), Stitch, Yensid talking (well, we knew about Yensid already), and a pair of humans that look suspiciously like Yuna and Rikku, but they only appear attacking a giant Heartless long enough to see the attack, and their backs are to the screen. =/ Not good screenshot material.
This is Yensid, btw. The Sorceror of Fantasia himself!
STITCH! WOO!
Ahhh, so Yensid is the sorceror's name? Ain't that grand and here I just thought he was just a nameless dude all these years.
~Neo
WOW. First, Pirates of the Carribean. Second, Lion King. Third, friggin' TRON! Now, Stitch?! Hell yes. This has to be the greatest assembling of Disney characters ever. But...it wouldn't be taking place in Hawaii for Lilo & Stitch, would it?
*GRIN @ Stitch*
Consider this fan: Serviced!
It actually looks like Leon, Cloud, Yuna?, Rikku?, and Stitch are there in the valley fighting Heartless in the same area Sora and co charge into.
It's confirmed to be FFX-2 Yuna and Rikku.
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Ahhh, so Yensid is the sorceror's name? Ain't that grand and here I just thought he was just a nameless dude all these years.
Not to worry, I didn't know he had a name either. Like I also didn't know his name is Disney spelled backwards.
I am learn-ed!
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It's confirmed to be FFX-2 Yuna and Rikku.
I do think Yuna and Rikku look a bit young in that scene, probably to match Tidus and co's age. Think we'll have an inevitable encounter between Tidus and Yuna? =D
Please don't torture me with the idea of such horrors. I lie awake at night seeing Tidus' horrific grin as he gropes her wet water speckled body in Macalania Lake. *Cries* and that last scene where he's swimming up to the camera baring his teeth like jaws.
Why must you torment me with more Tightass* romance! Junior is bad enough with all his... Junior'ness. 2 of them would just kill me =/
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Not to mention the most forced laughter in video game history.
ECK. X.X
I certainly hope Yuna isn't looking for Tidus, cuz she's in for a shock.
Man, Yuna and Rikku are confirmed now.
I know I've said this a gazillion times, but I wanna say it again, loudly so the guys at Square Enix in Japan can hear: PUT VIVI IN KH2.
~Neo
*Laughs* Save something for the inevitable sequel, Remy. They're pimping 3 of the 4 next gen FF heroes already, they'll have to save FF9 for later (even if it seems that they're totally avoiding it completely).
Though whenever I think of the idea of Kingdom Hearts 3, I'm unable to conjure any ideas for it, even with the live action movies, Disney shorts and "not quite Disney" movies.
What's left after they've scrapped the barrel of awesome and produced Tron?
Atlantis.
The Gremlins.
Jungle Book.
Sword in the Stone.
Black Cauldron.
Robin Hood
Oliver and Company
Pocahontas
The Great Mouse Detective
Hunchback of Notre Dame
Mary Poppins
Pete's Dragon
James and the Giant Peach
The Rescuers
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
(The following are owned by Pixar, so it's debatable...)
Toy Story.
Incredibles.
Bug's Life.
(Also, since we're visiting worlds thought destroyed in KH1, as evidenced by Simba's and Belle's world...)
Snow White.
Sleeping Beauty.
Cinderella.
Dumbo.
Bambi.
And I'm still waiting for a Ducktales or Darkwing Duck world. Or Rescue Rangers.
I've always prayed for the Disney Duck universe to appear in KH at some point, if only for Unca Scrooge.
I'll ignore the lawsuit ones (not that they're not banned, noting that Nightmare is Touchtone), but you have to think of the gameplay/story which would fit into such worlds.
Jungle Book, Atlantis and Robin Hood are the only ones there which would just work, without much work.
As someone who hates the Wonderland level of KH1, which felt like Squenix were emitting pot from the PS2 (how the hell do you pick up footprints?!), I wouldn't like to see too many levels put in which wouldn't have enough action to keep them going.
Plus how many people would be joygasming over Oliver & Co? :p
Dumbo and Bambi are the OPPOSITE of working. Heck, Bambi would only manage anything 100 Acre Wood style.
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Plus how many people would be joygasming over Oliver & Co?
I dunno. Just putting it up.
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(The following are owned by Pixar, so it's debatable...)
Are they? The way I heard it, Disney owns the rights to the films Pixar have produced under them, which is why they're planning a Toy Story 3 once Cars is released and the contract between them is over.
*Laughs* Save something for the inevitable sequel, Remy. They're pimping 3 of the 4 next gen FF heroes already, they'll have to save FF9 for later (even if it seems that they're totally avoiding it completely).
In truth, I am deeply sadden FF9, out of all the next gen RPGs, are being left out and is often times, the most hated (usually because fans cannot give anything but crappy reasons on why they hate the game), yet I don't feel too bad since as a result, the game won't be as whored out as FF7. I am absolutely SICK and TIRED of seeing Cloud's face everywhere in any FF-related articles I read online or in magazines.
But that still doesn't make me any happier that Vivi isn't in KH2 yet. Man, if there was only SOME way Squenix can bring over Itadeki Street Special where Vivi IS in it, durn it!
~Neo
Preaching to the choir, mate. FF9 is the perfect Final Fantasy game in my eyes, Vivi, Zidane and Steiner each show real and believable growth throughout the course of the game. Vivi's subplot is the best bit of angst storytelling I've seen.
Trouble is, FF9 just doesnt have IT in the min characters...
I mean, you look at FF7 and think; "Cloud, Tifa, Barret, Vincent" all great instantly recognisable "Cool" characters...
You look at FF8, it's got Squall, Quistess Rinoa, Irvine, Seifer... They've all got the same appeal...
FFX has Auron, Auron all the way and I suppose Yuna and Tidus are pretty recognisable...
Despite not having played FF9 I can honestly say that, no matter how well written Zidane, Steiner, Vivi and Garnet may be, the only one that jumps out at me in ANY WAY AT ALL is Vivi... I've even read the game script and looking at pics of Kujia all I could think about was; "Get that guy some trousers to wear over that thong..."
On top of that, Nomura wasn't as involved with FF9 was he? And it nearly wasnt a mainstream FF game as so many people though it was more like a "Best of" compilation...
Trouble is, FF9 just doesnt have IT in the min characters...
I mean, you look at FF7 and think; "Cloud, Tifa, Barret, Vincent" all great instantly recognisable "Cool" characters...
You look at FF8, it's got Squall, Quistess Rinoa, Irvine, Seifer... They've all got the same appeal...
FFX has Auron, Auron all the way and I suppose Yuna and Tidus are pretty recognisable...
On top of that, Nomura wasn't as involved with FF9 was he? And it nearly wasnt a mainstream FF game as so many people though it was more like a "Best of" compilation...
I thought the main reason it wasn't so-called "it" was mainly because, aside from not selling as well as the other next-gen FFs (and because there are SO many people claiming how much they hate the game for pretty dumb reasons), it wasn't generally as whored out as the rest of the next-gens. Nomura was involved in every next gen FF games except FF9 and he has in some way, placed a hell of a lot of cameos of the characters he's designed into other Square games or at least emphasized it. How many cameos did Cloud and Squall make alone for pete's sake?
I'm pretty sure if FF9 had done the same thing, they'd have been "it" as well. But in reality, I'm really glad it isn't as whored out, makes it all the more of a gem to me and a special place in my heart...but I still want my KH2 Vivi!
Despite not having played FF9 I can honestly say that, no matter how well written Zidane, Steiner, Vivi and Garnet may be, the only one that jumps out at me in ANY WAY AT ALL is Vivi... I've even read the game script and looking at pics of Kujia all I could think about was; "Get that guy some trousers to wear over that thong..."
Yea, I made my feelings know when I read the Jak X script before I got the game, but I decided to play the actual game (which I'm currently doing) to fully appreciate/or not appreciate said story. I really, really suggest you play FF9 before making any further judgement. If you still feel the way after playing...eh, whatever, it's your opinion.
And I don't know why, but Kuja's outfit never really bothered me. I think I'm SO used to seeing them girly men in FF games (I love Nomura's art, but God only knows how much girly men he drew that annoys me), besides, I STILL think Seymour is the worst looking villain ever. I mean, the hair alone...THE HAIR. Ugh, it's so UNGODLY.
~Neo
Kuja's costume doesn't bother me because I starred into the abyss of Yunalesca's butt and saw the darkness. The all consuming darkness of The Heartless.
No costume will ever make me fear for my soul as much as that one.
Wouldn't she get cold?
Then again, this is the same game were Tidus walks up FREEZING Mt. Gagazet in shorts and a vest.
Dude, Yunalesca's like dead, isn't she? Why would she get cold?
~Neo
Am I to assume you played FFX before FF9 then Craig, cos otherwise you're a time traveller...
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hmm, a time traveller... PLEASE, BRING ME BACK MY GAME FROM NEXT MONDAYS POST, IM BEGGING OF YOU. GO FORWARDS, COLLECT IT AND BRING IT TO ME, MY PRECIOUS,, I NEEDS IT....
Trust me. I've seen Shadow. Play.com are doing you a MASSIVE favour right now.
New scans at kh2.co.uk of Tron's stuff. =D
As much as I'm drooling to the point of frothing at the mouth, I'm more concerned with the chappy in the bottom right corner of the second page.
WHY WONT HE DIE?!
That looks like a screen from KH1 to me. That seems to be Hollow Bastion in the background and they've put 'KH' in the corner of the shot. Quite what it has to do with accessing a terminal in Tron world I don't know.
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Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Is not, in fact, owned by Disney. They simply, like WB, farmed some characters out to it.
And I personally vastly prefer FFIX to VII, even though Vivi and Steiner were the only characters I took to.
True. FFIX may be better in it's own way, but it's characters dont make good first impressions....
People take 1 look at Cloud, hear about his mercenary past and think "Cool"...
People take one look at Squall, hear about his mercenary past nd think "Cool"...
People take 1 look at Zidane, hear about his womansing and think, "Why's there a tail there?"...
IX just doesnt have the draw that the other two have from first impression. It may unfold to be much deeper, much more emotional, much better? I don't know, but it appeals to a completely different demographic, people who dont go on first impressions 
Plus FF9 broke the pattern.
All the next gen FF games except for 9 have the same elements:
3+ playable fan-service girls (Tifa/Aerith/Yuffie - Rinoa/Selphie/Quistis - Rikku/Yuna/Lulu ... Garnet and Beatrix as a "for 5 seconds" playable)
Ambigiously gay flashback trio who end up relating to the present day party via the main character (Sephi/Zack/Cloud - Laguna/Kiros/Ward - Braska/Jecht/Auron . No gay trio in FF9 🙁 )
Ultima Weapon.
Crack induced storyline which offers years of internet debate for not making any sense and needing fanfapping to remain consistant (FF9 actually made sense in the big picture)
Total disregard for the fantasy roots of the series, focusing on technology, humans and fapping "magic" away using materia, GF or Yevon.
Confusing and hinted happy ending which is super open to interpretation and debate. FF9's was closed and happy and was done with melodramatic flare.
3 characters per battle.
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Come to think of it, FF9 was so old skool that nu skool just rejected it outright, it has very little in common with the other FF games and may well have been different franchises if we didn't have Quina reminding us that the same pot smoking Squenix boys were working on it.
I remain confident that the lack of gay flashback trio was what killed 9.
I remain positive it's the fact Zidane has a tail...
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No seriously, I cant BELIEVE how many people I have seen who refuse to play as a "monkey" in an FF game, it's madnes....
And, really Craig, it was just Square back then... No Einix, just a bit softer..
I'll agree with all of those points except;
1)ambigously gay, never.... (no seriously, I hate people who go around campaining that characters from video games/tv shows/books are gay without any REASON for them to suppose it besides that they have male friends)
2) Total disregard for fantasy roots.. Final Fantasy 8 had total disregard, but 7 had quite a strong FF feel to it OUTSIDE of Midgar... And there isn't anything in Midgar that wasn't in other games... There had been robots right back to FF1, FF7 was quite futuristic BUT it was still quite backwards and mostly like old games...
... and, playing devils advocate here, I have been told that FF9 was supposed to have the MOST in common with other FF games, so much so that so many people didn't think it was a new title, just the "best of" compilation 
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Making it the FF that tried something different. Which I liked.
IX was a good game, but... I'm hoping for no more traditional FFs. It was enough. Any more would just be falling into the formulaic trap (as the series was in danger of doing before VI)
